DTS-HD MA is not as important as CC/subtitling for the deaf/hearing impaired!

[Caligula]

I can understand you hearing people rely on sound. BUT need of DTS-HD Master Audio and PS3 update for it IS NOT IMPORTANT!

There are children who are having problem with hearing, or with any kind of learning disability NEEDS Closed captioned. Sony Playstation 3 does not have that feature and I feel that DTS-HD Master Audio can wait because you already have sound PCM,lossless, DD True HD or whatever. How can children understand movies or cartoons without closed captioned watching Disney on DVD or Blu ray with C.C. (not subtitles) Closed captioned provides subtitles for Deaf and hearing impaired (SDH) feature, not all Blu-ray discs are SDH and few non SDH Blu discs have CC meaning movie wont recongize any kind of background noise or whoever speaking in different language.

Not only for children, there are various age people watching movies with their ps3. Also, not many people have receivers, speakers or any kind of equipment that support / use DTS-HD Master Audio. Why? Maybe they can’t hear or have hearing problem and need understanding with Closed Captioned.
I mean, PS3 cost a lot money and they don’t have C.C and why didn’t they add that feature for ps3? Playstation 2 does play CC with any dvd. Why?

People would not buy HDTV(s) if it doesn’t have speakers and they would demand for the company to make a TV with speakers. What about us, who can’t hear or understand movies without Closed Captioned? THIS IS DISCRIMINATION! I have nothing against DTS-HD MA, but this is not fair they receive update for it. I am happy for you guys to have it but not all people are happy with next update.

[Slec]

No offense intended by this but, we are still in the early adoption phase of this whole blu-ray thing. Everyone has frustrations (I am not saying any groups are more valid than anothers) and a group of frustrated people got their wish. There are plenty of other updates to come and getting feedback to Bill Hunt, Penton and Paidgeek are the way to go. Good Luck to you on your requests. You and blindcat ought to get together and come up with some kind of game plan to present to try and spur the studios and CE companies on..

It would have the added bonus of possibly getting exactly what you want or at least steering the process...

[Rainman]

Fight the power brotha...

[ixlegitballinxl]

not to sound like an ass....but im assuming company targeted audiences for new technology doesnt include the hearing impaired.....tv..dvd...most viewing formats dont start off with CC..............stating that dts-ma isnt important...is just like saying CC isnt important.....you should take your frustrations to the blu ray companies...thats the only reason why we are getting dts ma now.

[haste]

shouldnt u be complaining about the studios not implementing SDH on their discs?
its not that the ps3 doesnt support that feature, it's the studios lazy asses.

[Caligula]

not all people have blu ray discs, but kids does have ps3 and able to play dvd.. ps3 doesnt have cc for DVD or blu ray that have cc feature.. My wife called sony after we brought ps3 and found out that cc will not work on any dvd. Sony said there nothing they can do???

two years gone long enough, they should work on it and update the next firmware
thats my point

[Joker]

LOL..... WOW

[Bobby Henderson]

I can understand you hearing people rely on sound. BUT need of DTS-HD Master Audio and PS3 update for it IS NOT IMPORTANT!

Someone has a stick up his butt regarding DTS.

Since it isn't hurting anything to support DTS-HD on Blu-ray and add the decoding capability to Playstation 3 it is not important at all to prevent implementation of DTS in those areas.

[bajor27]

I'm a little slow, but is there a big difference between 'close captioned' and 'subtitled'?

I've never really paid attention but are there a large number of Blus that don't have subtitles?

Part of the reason I ask this as well is that I've never noticed a DVD saying close captioned instead of subtitled - except on a few TV show releases.

Please enlighten me.

[Caligula]

Originally Posted by bajor27

I'm a little slow, but is there a big difference between 'close captioned' and 'subtitled'?

I've never really paid attention but are there a large number of Blus that don't have subtitles?

Part of the reason I ask this as well is that I've never noticed a DVD saying close captioned instead of subtitled - except on a few TV show releases.

Please enlighten me.

yes closed captioned are subtitles are big difference. not all subtitles are SDH that allow background noise to be recongize, like crowd cheering, telelphone rings, etc etc.

closed captioned does, Blu or DVD will say CC or a Closed captioned box with arrow icon. (the o letter in closed word)


a big difference with non sdh subtitle with closed captioned

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by Slec

No offense intended by this but, we are still in the early adoption phase of this whole blu-ray thing. Everyone has frustrations (I am not saying any groups are more valid than anothers) and a group of frustrated people got their wish. There are plenty of other updates to come

I agree with that and while I feel its important to have its not just ps3s problem

"HD DVD and Blu-ray disc media cannot carry Line 21 closed captioning due to the design of High-Definition Multimedia Interface specifications that were designed to replace older analog and digital standards, such as VGA, S-Video, and DVI. Both Blu-ray disc and HD DVD can use either DVD bitmap subtitles (with extended definition) or 'advanced subtitles' to carry SDH type subtitling, the latter being an XML based textual format which includes font, styling and positioning information as well as a unicode representation of the text. Advanced subtitling can also include additional media accessibility features such as "descriptive audio"."

Quote via Wiki^

[Banjo]

Originally Posted by supersix4

"HD DVD and Blu-ray disc media cannot carry Line 21 closed captioning due to the design of High-Definition Multimedia Interface specifications that were designed to replace older analog and digital standards, such as VGA, S-Video, and DVI. Both Blu-ray disc and HD DVD can use either DVD bitmap subtitles (with extended definition) or 'advanced subtitles' to carry SDH type subtitling, the latter being an XML based textual format which includes font, styling and positioning information as well as a unicode representation of the text. Advanced subtitling can also include additional media accessibility features such as "descriptive audio"."

There it is, that's the biggest issue for the deaf and hard of hearing consumers. That is why I believe it is absolutely necessary for PS3 and the other Blu-ray players to be capable of overlaying the Line 21 Closed Captioning on the video signal to the HDMI video input on the HDTVs.

That's why you see CC decoders built in some of the HDTV receivers from cable and satellite providers. It's because people have a difficult time with getting CC on their HDTVs. So instead of dealing with that, they can turn it on from the receiver.

I am perfectly certain that the PS3 is capable of doing this as a software update. Especially when many of us still own DVD movies with Line 21 captioning, I do think it's important that we are given that option.

While DTS-HD MA is certainly important to some people here. You asked for it and Sony is going to deliver it. However, when we ask Sony to include subtitles or CC on special features on either DVD and Blu-ray, they just won't do it. There are some Blu-ray releases from Sony that were subtitled, but they were international editions and subtitled for the British, not us. I have noticed that Spielberg movies are often fully subtitled or captioned for the deaf. Close Encounters of the Third Kind is a Sony release and it was fully subtitled.

Accessibility issues should not be taken lightly. Period. Especially when the deaf and hard of hearing people pay the same price as everybody else. Look at the bright side, even with a lousy mono audio track, you still know what they are saying.

Just think about it... is it really fair for us to pay the same price as you do only to get the shaft? That's what the original poster is getting at. Basically, he's just giving some of you a taste of your own medicine for how we are treated when we "whine" about accessibility issues.

[Caligula]

agreed with everything banjo said.

Originally Posted by Banjo

There it is, that's the biggest issue for the deaf and hard of hearing consumers. That is why I believe it is absolutely necessary for PS3 and the other Blu-ray players to be capable of overlaying the Line 21 Closed Captioning on the video signal to the HDMI video input on the HDTVs.

That's why you see CC decoders built in some of the HDTV receivers from cable and satellite providers. It's because people have a difficult time with getting CC on their HDTVs. So instead of dealing with that, they can turn it on from the receiver.

I am perfectly certain that the PS3 is capable of doing this as a software update. Especially when many of us still own DVD movies with Line 21 captioning, I do think it's important that we are given that option.

While DTS-HD MA is certainly important to some people here. You asked for it and Sony is going to deliver it. However, when we ask Sony to include subtitles or CC on special features on either DVD and Blu-ray, they just won't do it. There are some Blu-ray releases from Sony that were subtitled, but they were international editions and subtitled for the British, not us. I have noticed that Spielberg movies are often fully subtitled or captioned for the deaf. Close Encounters of the Third Kind is a Sony release and it was fully subtitled.

Accessibility issues should not be taken lightly. Period. Especially when the deaf and hard of hearing people pay the same price as everybody else. Look at the bright side, even with a lousy mono audio track, you still know what they are saying.

Just think about it... is it really fair for us to pay the same price as you do only to get the shaft? That's what the original poster is getting at. Basically, he's just giving some of you a taste of your own medicine for how we are treated when we "whine" about accessibility issues.

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by Banjo

While DTS-HD MA is certainly important to some people here. You asked for it and Sony is going to deliver it. However, when we ask Sony to include subtitles or CC on special features on either DVD and Blu-ray, they just won't do it. :

not that I agree that it should be left out or considered a priority, but almost any company trying to make money is going to go for the mass appeal over what smaller groups of people would like, not that its a good thing but that is usually what happens im sure if they along with tv makers were getting non stop bombardment from 100's of thousands of people who are deaf/hearing impaired they would get right on it

its not a good thing but im sure they would say its just business

[Banjo]

Originally Posted by supersix4

not that I agree that it should be left out or considered a priority, but almost any company trying to make money is going to go for the mass appeal over what smaller groups of people would like, not that its a good thing but that is usually what happens im sure if they along with tv makers were getting non stop bombardment from 100's of thousands of people who are deaf/hearing impaired they would get right on it

its not a good thing but im sure they would say its just business

I suggest that you look up the costs of captioning a movie. I think you'll be surprised to see it's not as expensive as you would think. Not only that, it's also tax deductive.

[Banjo]

Originally Posted by supersix4

not that I agree that it should be left out or considered a priority, but almost any company trying to make money is going to go for the mass appeal over what smaller groups of people would like, not that its a good thing but that is usually what happens im sure if they along with tv makers were getting non stop bombardment from 100's of thousands of people who are deaf/hearing impaired they would get right on it

its not a good thing but im sure they would say its just business

Also, go to www.captioningsucks.com and you will learn a few things. There are 30 million Americans living with hearing loss plus millions more who aren't deaf use them anyway.

[Marcusarilius]

Originally Posted by Caligula

I can understand you hearing people rely on sound. BUT need of DTS-HD Master Audio and PS3 update for it IS NOT IMPORTANT!

There are children who are having problem with hearing, or with any kind of learning disability NEEDS Closed captioned. Sony Playstation 3 does not have that feature and I feel that DTS-HD Master Audio can wait because you already have sound PCM,lossless, DD True HD or whatever. How can children understand movies or cartoons without closed captioned watching Disney on DVD or Blu ray with C.C. (not subtitles) Closed captioned provides subtitles for Deaf and hearing impaired (SDH) feature, not all Blu-ray discs are SDH and few non SDH Blu discs have CC meaning movie wont recongize any kind of background noise or whoever speaking in different language.

Not only for children, there are various age people watching movies with their ps3. Also, not many people have receivers, speakers or any kind of equipment that support / use DTS-HD Master Audio. Why? Maybe they can’t hear or have hearing problem and need understanding with Closed Captioned.
I mean, PS3 cost a lot money and they don’t have C.C and why didn’t they add that feature for ps3? Playstation 2 does play CC with any dvd. Why?

People would not buy HDTV(s) if it doesn’t have speakers and they would demand for the company to make a TV with speakers. What about us, who can’t hear or understand movies without Closed Captioned? THIS IS DISCRIMINATION! I have nothing against DTS-HD MA, but this is not fair they receive update for it. I am happy for you guys to have it but not all people are happy with next update.

Would DTS HD Master Subtitles be preferred in these cases? I smell a future PS3 download...

[prerich]

Originally Posted by Caligula

I can understand you hearing people rely on sound. BUT need of DTS-HD Master Audio and PS3 update for it IS NOT IMPORTANT!

There are children who are having problem with hearing, or with any kind of learning disability NEEDS Closed captioned. Sony Playstation 3 does not have that feature and I feel that DTS-HD Master Audio can wait because you already have sound PCM,lossless, DD True HD or whatever. How can children understand movies or cartoons without closed captioned watching Disney on DVD or Blu ray with C.C. (not subtitles) Closed captioned provides subtitles for Deaf and hearing impaired (SDH) feature, not all Blu-ray discs are SDH and few non SDH Blu discs have CC meaning movie wont recongize any kind of background noise or whoever speaking in different language.

Not only for children, there are various age people watching movies with their ps3. Also, not many people have receivers, speakers or any kind of equipment that support / use DTS-HD Master Audio. Why? Maybe they can’t hear or have hearing problem and need understanding with Closed Captioned.
I mean, PS3 cost a lot money and they don’t have C.C and why didn’t they add that feature for ps3? Playstation 2 does play CC with any dvd. Why?

People would not buy HDTV(s) if it doesn’t have speakers and they would demand for the company to make a TV with speakers. What about us, who can’t hear or understand movies without Closed Captioned? THIS IS DISCRIMINATION! I have nothing against DTS-HD MA, but this is not fair they receive update for it. I am happy for you guys to have it but not all people are happy with next update.

I would love it if people would make HDTV's without speakers because all I use them for is a visual monitor anyway. Can't you activate CC through the BD itself (in the menu). Just turn the captioning on.

[Caligula]

Originally Posted by prerich

I would love it if people would make HDTV's without speakers because all I use them for is a visual monitor anyway. Can't you activate CC through the BD itself (in the menu). Just turn the captioning on.

subtitles on bd is not Closed captioned.. get this guys.. subtitles and closed captioned are different!!

similar but different..

[Marcusarilius]

Originally Posted by Caligula

subtitles on bd is not Closed captioned.. get this guys.. subtitles and closed captioned are different!!

similar but different..

Are the subtitles right on the source material?