Blu-ray 3:10 to Yuma audio editions

[Seiko1]

I bought 3.10 to Yuma in Aus b4 it was released, so obviously I couldn't read the back cover and had to rely on the web for info.
Every single site I visited stated it was LPCM 7.1 and DD-HD 5.1.
When I got it in the mail I was devastated because it only had DD-HD 5.1 which I think is quiet crappy sounding.
Then I purchased it through this sites link with Amazon because it said "Region free and 7.1" and guess what! it aint Region free, it's Region 1 US and Canada only!
Is anyone else experiencing these types of problems?
Does anyone know if the Panny DMP-BD10 will ever play DTS-HD-MA?
Won't somebody kill me please!
Steve

[ClaytonMG]

First, what's DD-HD? Second, I think the 7.1 track on this film is very poorly done. The music is mixed wayyy too loudly in the rears and they try to put discrete instruments back there which makes the rears super intrusive.

[lgans316]

OP,

The AUS version features DTHD 5.1 instead of LPCM 7.1 because it was released by SONY who owns the distributions rights for E.U and AUS. They did the same for Rogue Assassin (War).

[Seiko1]

Originally Posted by lgans316

OP,

The AUS version features DTHD 5.1 instead of LPCM 7.1 because it was released by SONY who owns the distributions rights for E.U and AUS. They did the same for Rogue Assassin (War).

I have Rogue Assassin and it has the PCM 7.1
But Cheer's anyway.
P.S. My wife is from Osaka
Aregato

[Seiko1]

Originally Posted by ClaytonMG

First, what's DD-HD? Second, I think the 7.1 track on this film is very poorly done. The music is mixed wayyy too loudly in the rears and they try to put discrete instruments back there which makes the rears super intrusive.

DD-HD is Dolby Digital High Definition. DTS-HD-MA is Digital Theatre Systems High Definition Master Audio (this is up and coming fast)
So you have the U.S. version? and it has PCM 7.1?
Thats great because I have it coming from Amazon.
Region free they assure me too.
If you are using the multichannel inputs with amp and player you will always have to adjust speaker output levels, it just goes with the territory.
Cheer's Steve

[lgans316]

I am confident that ClaytonMG knows much more than what you have said.

[lgans316]

Originally Posted by Seiko1

I have Rogue Assassin and it has the PCM 7.1
But Cheer's anyway.
P.S. My wife is from Osaka
Aregato

That's quite surprising as the Japanese release of Rogue Assassin was reported to be DTHD 5.1. Anyways 3:10 to Yuma is confirmed to feature DTHD 5.1 audio instead of LPCM 7.1ch as it was released by SONY who doesn't seem to be a huge fan of 7.1ch audio.

[Seiko1]

Originally Posted by lgans316

That's quite surprising as the Japanese release of Rogue Assassin was reported to be DTHD 5.1. Anyways 3:10 to Yuma is confirmed to feature DTHD 5.1 audio instead of LPCM 7.1ch as it was released by SONY who doesn't seem to be a huge fan of 7.1ch audio.

I bought it from JB-HiFi which is not any kind of specialist shop or anything.
I looked at bluraystats.com and then when hunting for it and found it as described.
Audio track is not bad either.

[ClaytonMG]

Here's the thing... this film was mixed in 5.1 sound originally. So what you're getting is the original, unaltered, unremixed audio track when using the Dolby TrueHD (not Dolby Digital HD) 5.1 track. The US version has an altered, remixed 7.1 track that was basically not nessisary in my honest opinion. I am not sure if the music was mixed as poorly for theaters as it was for the US home video release (I kind of doubt it was) but it really got to me how they did the mix for this film. And not in a good way.

[Seiko1]

Thanks Clayton MG.
Believe it or that makes me feel much.
I just got around to watching the whole True Hd version last night and I'm really upset because it sounded F****** great!!!!

[ClaytonMG]

Originally Posted by Seiko1

Thanks Clayton MG.
Believe it or that makes me feel much.
I just got around to watching the whole True Hd version last night and I'm really upset because it sounded F****** great!!!!

Well I am glad you enjoyed it. Like I said, it doesn't really need 7.1 sound. And really, the only studio I trust to do 7.1 tracks is New Line. I have noticed the surrounds being intrusive at all on any of them. So if you want 7.1, they're the studio to look at.

[WickyWoo]

The same people last I checked are doing the LG and NL 7.1 mixes

They're still not mixing to 7.1, simply applying in the studio the same thing THX processing can get you on your end

If you think DTHD is "crappy sounding", then it's your DTS bias talking.

One thing with the BD-10A, there's a bug that has been fixed on the 30 but not the 10, the LFE channel is output too low over analog, you have to bump it up in your player setup and/or on your receiver.

[easyrider]

Originally Posted by Seiko1

Then I purchased it through this sites link with Amazon because it said "Region free and 7.1" and guess what! it aint Region free, it's Region 1 US and Canada only!

I also live in Australia and own the US Blu-ray version of 3:10 To Yuma. I can assure you that it is most assuredly not Region locked
And the 7.1 PCM track rocks !!!

[Seiko1]

Originally Posted by easyrider

I also live in Australia and own the US Blu-ray version of 3:10 To Yuma. I can assure you that it is most assuredly not Region locked
And the 7.1 PCM track rocks !!!

Yeh sorry, I got an e-mail from Amazon apologising for it being region 1 and then got another the very next day saying they had made a mistake (again) and that was is region free!
How long did delivery take?

[Seiko1]

Originally Posted by ClaytonMG

Well I am glad you enjoyed it. Like I said, it doesn't really need 7.1 sound. And really, the only studio I trust to do 7.1 tracks is New Line. I have noticed the surrounds being intrusive at all on any of them. So if you want 7.1, they're the studio to look at.

Wouldn't happen to have a list of their 7.1's would you mate?

[Seiko1]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

The same people last I checked are doing the LG and NL 7.1 mixes

They're still not mixing to 7.1, simply applying in the studio the same thing THX processing can get you on your end

If you think DTHD is "crappy sounding", then it's your DTS bias talking.

One thing with the BD-10A, there's a bug that has been fixed on the 30 but not the 10, the LFE channel is output too low over analog, you have to bump it up in your player setup and/or on your receiver.

I had retracted that statement earlier in the day!
Saying I though it was F******* fantastic after finally getting to watch the whole movie.
The only DTS bias I have is toward Music Video and you should hear The Eagles "Farewell 1 Tour" recorded in Aus, I very nearly made a mess in my pants

[Seiko1]

Originally Posted by benes

There is no such format. There is Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital Plus, and Dolby TrueHD.

Symantics really because the D is meerly a shortened version of DD.
It's True High Definition and it is made by Dolby Digital isn't it?
Dolby Digital is the company, but if thats the norm then I will use the D just to save confusion.

[ClaytonMG]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

The same people last I checked are doing the LG and NL 7.1 mixes

They're still not mixing to 7.1, simply applying in the studio the same thing THX processing can get you on your end

If you think DTHD is "crappy sounding", then it's your DTS bias talking.

One thing with the BD-10A, there's a bug that has been fixed on the 30 but not the 10, the LFE channel is output too low over analog, you have to bump it up in your player setup and/or on your receiver.

Really?! That's odd. Maybe the scores really are mixed funkily for the theatrical cuts. The Lionsgate mixes I was refering to are 3:10 To Yuma and The Eye. The scores just seem to be amped up in the rears to the point of being intrusive. So really, what you're saying is at this point, if you have a reciever that does like THX Select2 or THX Surround EX or something like that, you're getting pretty much the exact same effect as 7.1? Because I have to be honest, from the stuff I've seen in 7.1, nothing has really made me go "yes! this needed 7.1 sound!" Pretty much everytime I've seen something in 7.1, I've also listened to it in 5.1 with THX Select2 (or Surround EX) and thought it sounded just as good.

[ClaytonMG]

Originally Posted by Seiko1

Symantics really because the D is meerly a shortened version of DD.
It's True High Definition and it is made by Dolby Digital isn't it?
Dolby Digital is the company, but if thats the norm then I will use the D just to save confusion.

Actually, Dolby is the company. Dolby Digital is a format. They also have Dolby NR (for cassettes), Dolby Digital Stereo, Dolby Surround, Dolby Pro-Logic, Dolby Digital EX (or Surround EX in theaters), Dolby Digital Cinema (for DLP theaters), Dolby Digital-Plus, Dolby TrueHD. So Dolby TrueHD is one of their many formats, and not known as Dolby Digital TrueHD as Dolby Digital is something completely different.

As for a list of 7.1 films, someone has one on here if you do a search you probably could find it.

[Grif32]

Originally Posted by ClaytonMG

Really?! That's odd. Maybe the scores really are mixed funkily for the theatrical cuts. The Lionsgate mixes I was refering to are 3:10 To Yuma and The Eye. The scores just seem to be amped up in the rears to the point of being intrusive. So really, what you're saying is at this point, if you have a reciever that does like THX Select2 or THX Surround EX or something like that, you're getting pretty much the exact same effect as 7.1? Because I have to be honest, from the stuff I've seen in 7.1, nothing has really made me go "yes! this needed 7.1 sound!" Pretty much everytime I've seen something in 7.1, I've also listened to it in 5.1 with THX Select2 (or Surround EX) and thought it sounded just as good.

Wow I thought 3:10 to Yuma using 7.1 was flat out amazing. Reading other reviews they thought the samething.

I thought this was awesome.