need wall mount from amazon

[cembros]

ok so i have a gift certificate from amazon and im looking to get a wall mount for a 60 inch pio 151fd. http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw...nt+low+profile Here are the results of my search, can anyo,ne speak for these brands? Also I will be mounting it onto metal studs, does anyone know if they will support the weight of the tv. I had my 40 inch lcd mounted with no issue whatsoever so i assume there wont be a problem here.

[Rblu-Dblu]

Definitely go with a wider wall mount. The mounting holes on the back of the Pioneer's are very far apart. I ordered a wall mount that was 30"-60" and it was no where close to being long enough. I got this wall mount as it was suggested by someone else on this site.

http://www.amazon.com/Peerless-SF670P-Universal-Mount-Displays/dp/B000ET9788/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1243047423&sr =8-1

[cembros]

do you have a 60" pio??

[Trix]

Originally Posted by cembros

Also I will be mounting it onto metal studs, does anyone know if they will support the weight of the tv. I had my 40 inch lcd mounted with no issue whatsoever so i assume there wont be a problem here.

Just as a reference, the proper way to mount anything to metal studs is with toggle bolts, not the lag bolts that come with a mounting bracket. Metal studs don't hold weight with lag bolts, since there's nothing to grab onto. If you used the lag bolts with a 40" tv and it worked fine, it would be because the weight is significantly less than the 60" Pio will be.

Of course, maybe you already know and used lag bolts, I just didn't want to hear of a 60" Pio dying a terrible, terrible death.

[cembros]

Originally Posted by Trix

Just as a reference, the proper way to mount anything to metal studs is with toggle bolts, not the lag bolts that come with a mounting bracket. Metal studs don't hold weight with lag bolts, since there's nothing to grab onto. If you used the lag bolts with a 40" tv and it worked fine, it would be because the weight is significantly less than the 60" Pio will be.

Of course, maybe you already know and used lag bolts, I just didn't want to hear of a 60" Pio dying a terrible, terrible death.

im not sure what kind of bolts i used, i just know they wernt the ones that came with the mount. They were given to me by a neigbhor who was helping me

[Trix]

Originally Posted by cembros

im not sure what kind of bolts i used, i just know they wernt the ones that came with the mount. They were given to me by a neigbhor who was helping me

http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgur...a%3DN%26um%3D1

As long as it's something like that, you're set!

[cembros]

Originally Posted by Trix

http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgur...a%3DN%26um%3D1

As long as it's something like that, you're set!

hummm, what i did was just screw the mount onto the wall by drilling the screws into the stud. How is it supposed to work

[crazyBLUE]

Originally Posted by cembros

hummm, what i did was just screw the mount onto the wall by drilling the screws into the stud. How is it supposed to work

Does the mount have to be from amazon !

[cembros]

Originally Posted by crazyBLUE

Does the mount have to be from amazon !

well i have a gift certicicate so it would be nice

[crazyBLUE]

Originally Posted by cembros

well i have a gift certicicate so it would be nice

Just curious , I looked & amazon did not have mine so no big deal !

[cembros]

Originally Posted by crazyBLUE

Just curious , I looked & amazon did not have mine so no big deal !

actually i remeber you recomending a mount to me a while back and that was my first thought, but since i have the gc i thought i would go a different mount.

[crazyBLUE]

Originally Posted by cembros

actually i remeber you recomending a mount to me a while back and that was my first thought, but since i have the gc i thought i would go a different mount.

One thing I made sure of when I looked into buying my mount was that the base plate was wide enough to hit 3 studs & not just 2 !
& remember screws not nails !!!!

[cembros]

Originally Posted by crazyBLUE

& remember screws not nails !!!!

ha come on man, i know that much

[Trix]

Originally Posted by cembros

hummm, what i did was just screw the mount onto the wall by drilling the screws into the stud. How is it supposed to work

The problem with doing that with a steel stud, is that the steel stud is about 1/8 of an inch thick, 1/4 at the very most. So, your bolt really has nothing to have on to, and you're basically making it a cantelever waiting to snap.

With toggle bolts, the wings spread out once you put it through the stud, and then you place the wings on a vertical line with the stud so that they have something to hold on to. The only downside becomes that you need to make a bigger hole in the stud (to fit the wings part in).

Keep in mind as well that each toggle bolt can hold 25 to 40 pounds, depending on its size, on pure drywall. Now, I wouldn't recommend it, but it IS possible to simply use, say, 8 toggle through the drywall. Again, not recommended, but doable. Recommendation is still to put them through the steel studs.

[cembros]

Originally Posted by Trix

The problem with doing that with a steel stud, is that the steel stud is about 1/8 of an inch thick, 1/4 at the very most. So, your bolt really has nothing to have on to, and you're basically making it a cantelever waiting to snap.

With toggle bolts, the wings spread out once you put it through the stud, and then you place the wings on a vertical line with the stud so that they have something to hold on to. The only downside becomes that you need to make a bigger hole in the stud (to fit the wings part in).

Keep in mind as well that each toggle bolt can hold 25 to 40 pounds, depending on its size, on pure drywall. Now, I wouldn't recommend it, but it IS possible to simply use, say, 8 toggle through the drywall. Again, not recommended, but doable. Recommendation is still to put them through the steel studs.

so does that mean i have to make large holes in the wall so i can manuver the toggle bolts behind the stud?

[Trix]

Originally Posted by cembros

so does that mean i have to make large holes in the wall so i can manuver the toggle bolts behind the stud?

Nope, you shouldn't need to. Let me try to simplify a step-by-step;

1) The hole you drill in the studs will need to be big enough to let the wings go through when they are folded onto each other.
2) Before you thread the bolts onto the mount, make sure the wings will go through. I can't stress this enough.
3) Put a washer onto each carriage blot, and thread the toggle onto end of it. You don't want to thread it all the way, but you need to thread it enough so that the wings can't fold back over each other.
4) Put the mount up, and push each toggle through the wall and stud. You will heaer them click in, and you will feel them against the stud when you pull back on the screw.
5) One by one, they will need to be tightened. Now, this is a little more tedious.
6) First, you want to give the toggle inside the wall enough slack so that you can make it vertical. This will happen almost by itself, you just want to make sure you're not snagged on the interior, perpendicular edge of the steel stud.
7) Once the toggle is vertical, keep pulling it towards you so it stays there (it's easiest to hold onto the washer), and continue threading the bolt through, but not all the way. (If you are doing this step with a drill or electric screwdriver, go VERY slowly. Pinching your finger will not feel good.)
8) Once all the toggles are threaded, but not completely tight, make sure the mount is level, and then screw the bolts in the rest of the way. You don't want to tighten so much that you snap the toggle, but you will be able to feel when you've tightened enough.


As someone mentioned, you will need amount that hits three studs, not only because your tv is heavy, but also because 60" pio's have a very wide mounting pattern, as someone mentioned. Off the top of my head, I think the holes are about 36 inches apart. Your manual will have the number though.

I've skipped the steps of finding the studs and then marking the height of the mount because that is the same. Keep in mind, as an added bonus, because your holes are bigger, you can afford to be a little off with leveling your marks heightwise, because you will have lots of wiggle room to make your mount is perfectly level.

[cembros]

Originally Posted by Trix

Nope, you shouldn't need to. Let me try to simplify a step-by-step;

1) The hole you drill in the studs will need to be big enough to let the wings go through when they are folded onto each other.
2) Before you thread the bolts onto the mount, make sure the wings will go through. I can't stress this enough.
3) Put a washer onto each carriage blot, and thread the toggle onto end of it. You don't want to thread it all the way, but you need to thread it enough so that the wings can't fold back over each other.
4) Put the mount up, and push each toggle through the wall and stud. You will heaer them click in, and you will feel them against the stud when you pull back on the screw.
5) One by one, they will need to be tightened. Now, this is a little more tedious.
6) First, you want to give the toggle inside the wall enough slack so that you can make it vertical. This will happen almost by itself, you just want to make sure you're not snagged on the interior, perpendicular edge of the steel stud.
7) Once the toggle is vertical, keep pulling it towards you so it stays there (it's easiest to hold onto the washer), and continue threading the bolt through, but not all the way. (If you are doing this step with a drill or electric screwdriver, go VERY slowly. Pinching your finger will not feel good.)
8) Once all the toggles are threaded, but not completely tight, make sure the mount is level, and then screw the bolts in the rest of the way. You don't want to tighten so much that you snap the toggle, but you will be able to feel when you've tightened enough.


As someone mentioned, you will need amount that hits three studs, not only because your tv is heavy, but also because 60" pio's have a very wide mounting pattern, as someone mentioned. Off the top of my head, I think the holes are about 36 inches apart. Your manual will have the number though.

I've skipped the steps of finding the studs and then marking the height of the mount because that is the same. Keep in mind, as an added bonus, because your holes are bigger, you can afford to be a little off with leveling your marks heightwise, because you will have lots of wiggle room to make your mount is perfectly level.

wow, thanks alot. I will be ordering the mount recomended by a previous poster. To bad i wont be getting the tv for atleast a month. I sold my old tv already, this is torture not being able to watch movies. I want to have the mount up and ready to go so as soon as i get the tv i can just put it up and be ready to go

[Trix]

Originally Posted by cembros

wow, thanks alot. I will be ordering the mount recomended by a previous poster. To bad i wont be getting the tv for atleast a month. I sold my old tv already, this is torture not being able to watch movies. I want to have the mount up and ready to go so as soon as i get the tv i can just put it up and be ready to go

I understand the urge to do that, but I must warn you;

The height where you will be putting the wall bracket will depend on where the mount arms sit on the TV. So my best suggestion, unfortunately, is to wait for the TV, put the mount arms on it, measure your distance from bottom of TV to the notch that goes onto top of the mount, and then add however much room you need under the TV. That height mark will be where the top of your bracket will go, and it is from that height that you can then mark out your studs, etc.

Again, I have to warn you. There is no worse feeling than putting a TV up and finding out that it is much higher or lower than you want it, and that you can't get it to the right height.

[cembros]

Originally Posted by Trix

I understand the urge to do that, but I must warn you;

The height where you will be putting the wall bracket will depend on where the mount arms sit on the TV. So my best suggestion, unfortunately, is to wait for the TV, put the mount arms on it, measure your distance from bottom of TV to the notch that goes onto top of the mount, and then add however much room you need under the TV. That height mark will be where the top of your bracket will go, and it is from that height that you can then mark out your studs, etc.

Again, I have to warn you. There is no worse feeling than putting a TV up and finding out that it is much higher or lower than you want it, and that you can't get it to the right height.

thats a great point, my plan was to somehow calculate where the bracket would screw into the tv and figure it out that way. If thats not possible i have no problem waiting.

[Trix]

Originally Posted by cembros

thats a great point, my plan was to somehow calculate where the bracket would screw into the tv and figure it out that way. If thats not possible i have no problem waiting.

If you download the manual from Pioneer's website, and it is similar to the 5020's manual that I have, you will have a diagram with measurements, and may be able to figure it out. While you're looking there, make sure the wall mount you are ordering will in fact fit your new baby!