Watchmen Rated NC17

[dandla]

Saw a few blu's up on Ebay that list as NC17, just want to know if any of you have this version. What's the difference between the NC17 and the Director cut version?

[Lord_Stewie]

Originally Posted by dandla

Saw a few blu's up on Ebay that list as NC17, just want to know if any of you have this version. What's the difference between the NC17 and the Director cut version?

NC 17, content not appropriate for a 17 yrs old movie. the law may have changed about this, but the theatre i work for (I am management) requires that you must be 18 yrs old to watch the movie and you can't even have a 21 yrs old accompanying you as a guardian. A director's cut means that you are watching a FILM BEFORE IT WAS EDITED. Its the same version that the MPAA didn't review before giving the film a rating.

[DMC86X]

I dont think there is a difference. Still has a few sex scenes and a swinging blue wang.

[Call_Me_Megatron]

No such thing exists. There's the theatrical cut and the director's cut, no NC-17 version. Don't know why anyone would label it as such.

[Ernest Rister]

the law may have changed about this, but the theatre i work for (I am management) requires that you must be 18 yrs old to watch the movie and you can't even have a 21 yrs old accompanying you as a guardian.

There is no "law" that restricts people from viewing a work of art based on age and rating. You are confusing theater business policy with state or federal legislation. A state may mandate that children should not be able to come into a strip club or a porn theater, but there is no law saying children can't view a view rated G, PG, PG-13, R, NC-17 or anything else. You can imagine how difficult it would be for cable companies and other media vendors to comply with that.

A director's cut means that you are watching a FILM BEFORE IT WAS EDITED.

No, it doesn't. A director's cut is a version approved of by the director. Sometimes longer. Sometimes shorter.

I suspect the new Watchmen cut is an "unrated" cut, not an NC-17.

[SlmShdy1]

Originally Posted by Call_Me_Megatron

No such thing exists. There's the theatrical cut and the director's cut, no NC-17 version. Don't know why anyone would label it as such.

Exactly. People on eBay are just dumb.

[RiseDarthVader]

Obviously someone on eBay mislabeled.

[hardcorefrokid]

Well, Watchmen is pretty graphic. I can see where the seller is coming from but it's no NC-17. Though, lighter movies have been rated NC-17, but that a whole other story.

[Lord_Stewie]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

There is no "law" that restricts people from viewing a work of art based on age and rating. You are confusing theater business policy with state or federal legislation. A state may mandate that children should not be able to come into a strip club or a porn theater, but there is no law saying children can't view a view rated G, PG, PG-13, R, NC-17 or anything else. You can imagine how difficult it would be for cable companies and other media vendors to comply with that.



YOU ALSO SAID:

No, it doesn't. A director's cut is a version approved of by the director. Sometimes longer. Sometimes shorter.

I suspect the new Watchmen cut is an "unrated" cut, not an NC-17.

are you seriously debating me about this?. Yes the the company i work for have a policy for. It is by law that Theaters have to follow the MPAA guidelines otherwise what is the reason the MPAA exists for (I guess we could debate this). We even sometimes have undercover cops posing as just random attendees, and because of this several managers and employees were fired because they didn't follow the "law" (so if its a policy this shouldn't immediately cause disqualifying employees/employers from their jobs. Violating a policy means a writing up that employer/employee so they don't make the same mistake again)

http://www.mpaa.org/FilmRatings.asp this shows what the MPAA is for.

http://tarlton.law.utexas.edu/lpop/etext/osborn.htm Read this one. it a reason why there is a law about this.

This one link is about why the law should be lenient on movie restiction's:

http://voice.paly.net/view_story.php?id=5304

No, it doesn't. A director's cut is a version approved of by the director. Sometimes longer. Sometimes shorter.

you are right on this. It is also a version of the film before the editing process took place, and its not the same version that the MPAA reviewed to give a rating to.

[Lord_Stewie]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

No, it doesn't. A director's cut is a version approved of by the director. Sometimes longer. Sometimes shorter.

I suspect the new Watchmen cut is an "unrated" cut, not an NC-17.

Here is a definition on what a DIRECTOR'S CUT means:

Wikipedia:

A director's cut is a specially edited version of a film, and less often TV series, music video, commercials, comic book or video games, that is supposed to represent the director's own approved edit. 'Cut' explicitly refers to the process of film editing: the director's cut is preceded by the rough editor's cut and followed by the final cut meant for the public film release.
Director's cuts generally remain unreleased to the public because, as far as film is concerned, with most film studios the director does not have a final cut privilege. The studio (whose investment is at risk) can insist on changes that they feel will make the film more likely to succeed at the box office. This sometimes means a happier ending or less ambiguity, but more often means that the film is simply shortened to provide more screenings per day. The most common form of director's cut is therefore to have extra scenes added, often making the "new" film considerably longer than the "original".

1. Means that the MPAA didn't even have a chance to approve of it.
2. Bolded 2 include that the MPAA didn't rate this version. Key Word is PUBLIC
3. Bolded 3. means since The MPAA didn't have a chance to rate that version of the film for theatrical release doesn't affect DVD/Bluray releases since its up to the studio and the "LAW" its up to the parent whether their children should watch the movie or not.

The MPAA exists in the first place because a Law passed because of the conflicts between the studios back in the days (The Cold War, and The Blacklists is a good example of that) the only difference between yesterday's (Hypothetically speaking) and Today's is that the "LAW" was modified/and continues to be modified depending on whats going on today.

What is NC 17?

[Ernest Rister]

are you seriously debating me about this?. Yes the the company i work for have a policy for National Amusement followed by a bill signed by Clinton after the Columbine situation which restrict theaters to sell to minors.

There wasn't a bill -- President Clinton ordered the FTC to investigate how the studios were marketing violence to children. Based on the FTC's findings, the studios voluntarily agreed to buy ad time for R rated or especially violent content during, say, Power Rangers. Meanwhile, exhibitors - with high publicity - ordered their employees to stringently follow MPAA guidelines for the rating system so as not to inflame legislators looking to gain re-election by "protecting familes" and passing laws that violate the 1st Amendment.

It is by law that Theaters have to follow the MPAA rulings otherwise what is the reason the MPAA exists for.

No, it isn't. The MPAA was created to *protect* the film industry from the Government. By self-regulation, by providing information to consumers of the content of their films, they staved off the nauseous idea of a Federal Panel stepping in and doing the same. The MPAA isn't a Government body - it is a private body paid for by the major studios.

We even sometimes have undercover cops posing as just random attendees, and because of this several managers and employees were fired because they didn't follow the "law" (so if its a policy this shouldn't immediately cause disqualifying employees/employers from their jobs. Violating a policy means a writing up that employer/employee so they don't make the same mistake again)

Um - how can an adult pose as a minor, and then expect a theater to be guilty of a criminal act for selling a ticket to a minor, when they didn't actually sell to a minor? How many 16 year old police officers do you know? I suspect your theater chain may have hired an outside security chain to police *themselves*.

http://www.mpaa.org/FilmRatings.asp this shows what the MPAA is for.

I know what the MPAA is for. I know when it was founded and why. I also know their ratings are a guideline, not law.

http://tarlton.law.utexas.edu/lpop/etext/osborn.htm Read this one. it a reason why there is a law about this.

Sir, did you even read that link? Or did you just copy and paste something from Wikipedia? That link takes you to a paper discussing how the law and lawyers are portrayed in the movies. It isn't about the MPAA, or Federal or even Local Legislation in regards to restricting people from viewing a movie because of the rating.

This one link is about why the law should be lenient on movie restiction's:

http://voice.paly.net/view_story.php?id=5304

...

Wow. You just linked me to an editorial by a High School Student pissed off that theaters follow MPAA guidelines. And even the High School Student knows the score. He writes: "As opposed to laws concerning age (drinking laws, driving laws, etc.) movie ratings are the choice of the parent to enforce."

Face it - you don't know what you're talking about.

[broganreynik]

Originally Posted by shadblz

are you seriously debating me about this?. Yes the the company i work for have a policy for National Amusement followed by a bill signed by Clinton after the Columbine situation which restrict theaters to sell to minors. It is by law that Theaters have to follow the MPAA rulings otherwise what is the reason the MPAA exists for. We even sometimes have undercover cops posing as just random attendees, and because of this several managers and employees were fired because they didn't follow the "law" (so if its a policy this shouldn't immediately cause disqualifying employees/employers from their jobs. Violating a policy means a writing up that employer/employee so they don't make the same mistake again)

http://www.mpaa.org/FilmRatings.asp this shows what the MPAA is for.

http://tarlton.law.utexas.edu/lpop/etext/osborn.htm Read this one. it a reason why there is a law about this.

This one link is about why the law should be lenient on movie restiction's:

http://voice.paly.net/view_story.php?id=5304

MPAA ratings are guidelines not law.

[Col. Zombie]

Originally Posted by Call_Me_Megatron

No such thing exists. There's the theatrical cut and the director's cut, no NC-17 version. Don't know why anyone would label it as such.

Exactly. It's probably just a sham. Some eBayer is lying, just trying to sell some discs.

[Lord_Stewie]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Wow. You just linked me to an editorial by a High School Student pissed off that theaters follow MPAA guidelines. And even the High School Student knows the score. He writes: "As opposed to laws concerning age (drinking laws, driving laws, etc.) movie ratings are the choice of the parent to enforce."

Face it - you don't know what you're talking about.

no one said that there are 16 years old minors imposing the law and arresting people if they are underage. I clearly said (you misunderstood the post) that we have police officers that comes in randomly as just a normal attendee even the staff wouldn't know who it is. we only find out about this if someone gets in trouble for admitting a minor into a restricted film or something else have been violated. By not following the guidelines of a nongovernmental body such as the MPAA, then explain why is it that the law gets involved in this?. We get in trouble for that, and people lose their jobs because of this. (Oh and by the way we just received a statement telling the establishment That the R-rating will be receiving a change in definition that soon it may change the age from 17 to 21. When imposed? Not sure since it is still being discussed)

as for the high school editorial i provided you:

I linked different links showing different opinions regarding the Rating system (not randomly as you kindly stated earlier). IMO I think its up to the parent/guardian to decide, unfortunately the theatre i work for refuses to see an R rating ticket if the parent won't be seeing the movie itself with the child.

I do know the system. Otherwise I am giving people the wrong information for the past 10 years.

[Lord_Stewie]

Originally Posted by broganreynik

MPAA ratings are guidelines not law.

I know that and misquoted, i even have a link that contradicts what I said thanks for the notice.

[Lord_Stewie]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

There wasn't a bill -- President Clinton ordered the FTC to investigate how the studios were marketing violence to children. Based on the FTC's findings, the studios voluntarily agreed to buy ad time for R rated or especially violent content during, say, Power Rangers. Meanwhile, exhibitors - with high publicity - ordered their employees to stringently follow MPAA guidelines for the rating system so as not to inflame legislators looking to gain re-election by "protecting familes" and passing laws that violate the 1st Amendment.

you are actually right about this and I admit i don't know why for sometime i thought that this is the case/reason. Oh well a new lesson learned.

[ijokr]

Originally Posted by shadblz

A director's cut means that you are watching a FILM BEFORE IT WAS EDITED. Its the same version that the MPAA didn't review before giving the film a rating.

False, the director's cut is edited and approved by the director. The version in which the MPAA hasn't give it a rating is what everyone know as the "unrated" version. The director's cut can be edited after the theatrical release if the director felt like adding, changing, or taking something.

*Edit: not trying to sound like a d**k, just giving my two cents

[jw]

unfortunately unlike alcohol, there is no criminal penalty for allowing underage kids to watch R rated films, etc, Its more of a civil thing between the movie theater and the studios(If you dont believe me, ask a cop)

Also on the topic, On ebay i can select any rating I want, Its a user selected option. Only the prefilled information in the item description is done by eBay

[Lord_Stewie]

Originally Posted by ijokr

False, the director's cut is edited and approved by the director. The version in which the MPAA hasn't give it a rating is what everyone know as the "unrated" version. The director's cut can be edited after the theatrical release if the director felt like adding, changing, or taking something.

*Edit: not trying to sound like a d**k, just giving my two cents

you are saying the exact same thing I am saying.

here is my two cents.

What is Director's Cut?

PS. Did anyone see the CNN report from earlier regarding lowering the drinking age from 21 to 18. What is this world coming to?

As for me this is last comment i am making about this topic since the topic had been derailed.

No NC-17 for Watchmen as far as I know. But would like to see one.

[GC Riot]

Originally Posted by SlmShdy1

Exactly. People on eBay are just dumb.

Or are they really? I mean, we ARE talking about it, meaning it did garner some attention. Maybe this was planned!