Denon 2807 to TP-54G10 connection with HDMI - Blu-ray Forum

jshannon · 09-27-2009, 08:58 PM

I am connecting my Denon receiver to the TV with HDMI cables. If I am reading my manual for the Denon correctly, I also need to use audio cables, because the audio signals are not output from the HDMI monitor output terminal. If this is the case, what advantage is it to use the HDMI cable from the receiver to the TV. I already get the Video signal from the HD Cable box to the TV through HDMI. I am also going to connect a blu-ray player through the receiver to the TV. Is that the only reason for the HDMI cable from the receiver to the TV?
Thanks for any advise.

SlmShdy1 · 09-28-2009, 12:57 AM

You don't need any extra audio cables. HDMI will deliver both video and audio. You shouldn't need any sound going to your TV, but in case you do, there should be an option to turn on the HDMI audio output. It sounds like you're setting it up correctly. Just have everything hook into the receiver and then use one HDMI cable from the receiver to the TV. That way you can control everything from your receiver and not have switch between inputs on your TV.

blarneyrubble · 09-28-2009, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by SlmShdy1

You don't need any extra audio cables. HDMI will deliver both video and audio. You shouldn't need any sound going to your TV, but in case you do, there should be an option to turn on the HDMI audio output. It sounds like you're setting it up correctly. Just have everything hook into the receiver and then use one HDMI cable from the receiver to the TV. That way you can control everything from your receiver and not have switch between inputs on your TV.

Not always true. This receiver might be too old to receive both audio and video through HDMI. It is likely that it only does HDMI pass through--only video. The benefit of pass through is that you can send everything through your receiver. If your receiver only does HDMI pass through--you will need to run an HDMI for video and a digital audio cable.

SlmShdy1 · 09-28-2009, 01:52 AM

No, it's a newer receiver and it's not some cheap model. It does do HDMI switching. Passthrough is not an issue here.

blarneyrubble · 09-28-2009, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by SlmShdy1

No, it's a newer receiver and it's not some cheap model. It does do HDMI switching. Passthrough is not an issue here.

Denon avr2807 is a model from about 3-4 years ago. OP am I right about this? On the spec sheet under digital audio is does not list HDMI--only optical and coax.

BTW until this model year many Denon's only did pass though.

jshannon · 09-28-2009, 02:05 AM

The receiver is about three years old. That model only came out in 2006, but when I connected the receiver to the TV with the HDMI cables, I got video, and audio only from the TV's speakers. When I added the audio cables, I got the audio from the receiver. It works, but I'm just wondering if the audio I am getting is lower quality this way. I connected my blu-ray player with just the HDMI cable, and that works perfectly.

SlmShdy1 · 09-28-2009, 02:08 AM

I didn't realize it was that old. Even models from two years ago have HDMI switching. Thanks for the correction, dude. I misread the spec sheet.

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Originally Posted by jshannon

The receiver is about three years old. That model only came out in 2006, but when I connected the receiver to the TV with the HDMI cables, I got video, and audio only from the TV's speakers. When I added the audio cables, I got the audio from the receiver. It works, but I'm just wondering if the audio I am getting is lower quality this way. I connected my blu-ray player with just the HDMI cable, and that works perfectly.

In that case, you're going to want to use the analog outs on your BD player and connect them to the mult-channel analog inputs on your receiver. That way you'll get lossless audio. For TV, your cable box should have a digital coax or optical output and that'll give you 5.1 surround sound.

blarneyrubble · 09-28-2009, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by SlmShdy1

I didn't realize it was that old. Even models from two years ago have HDMI switching. Thanks for the correction, dude. I misread the spec sheet.

In that case, you're going to want to use the analog outs on your BD player and connect them to the mult-channel analog inputs on your receiver. That way you'll get lossless audio. For TV, your cable box should have a digital coax or optical output and that'll give you 5.1 surround sound.

His Blu-ray player does not have analog outputs. He is going to have to use HDMI and fiber optic. You may want to check your local Sears. I just picked up a bdp-s550 last week for $130--it has analog outs. I gave it to my parents and hooked it up to their Denon avr-887.

Kenshiro · 09-28-2009, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jshannon

The receiver is about three years old. That model only came out in 2006, but when I connected the receiver to the TV with the HDMI cables, I got video, and audio only from the TV's speakers. When I added the audio cables, I got the audio from the receiver. It works, but I'm just wondering if the audio I am getting is lower quality this way. I connected my blu-ray player with just the HDMI cable, and that works perfectly.

I have experience with that Denon model. It will accept 7.1 audio over HDMI. Just go through the menus until you see an option that asks if HDMI audio should go to the amp or to the TV.

SlmShdy1 · 09-28-2009, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by blarneyrubble

His Blu-ray player does not have analog outputs. He is going to have to use HDMI and fiber optic.

I could've sworn the DMP-BD35K had analog outs. It must've been the 55K I was thinking of.

blarneyrubble · 09-28-2009, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SlmShdy1

I could've sworn the DMP-BD35K had analog outs. It must've been the 55K I was thinking of.

Too many numbers. Yep, the 55 has analog outs.

jshannon · 09-28-2009, 11:19 PM

Audio from the blu-ray player does go through HDMI, it's only the audio from the cable box to the tv that needs the extra cables.

blarneyrubble · 09-28-2009, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jshannon

Audio from the blu-ray player does go through HDMI, it's only the audio from the cable box to the tv that needs the extra cables.

How old is this cable box?

jshannon · 09-28-2009, 11:40 PM

I just got it from cablevision a couple of months ago. It's a high-def cable box.

blarneyrubble · 09-28-2009, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jshannon

I just got it from cablevision a couple of months ago. It's a high-def cable box.

I am stumped.

jshannon · 09-29-2009, 01:49 AM

Sorry, I was confused there, it's not the audio from the cable box that needs the extra cables. The way I have it set up is, the cable box is connected directly to the TV through HDMI cable. The receiver is connected with an HDMI cable from the HDMI monitor output terminal to the TV. The audio cables are connected from the receiver to the TV.
This is word for word from the manual:
Connecting equipment with HDMI terminals
(To convert analog video signals to HDMI signals)
*The AVR-2807 is equipped with a function for converting analog video signals into HDMI signals. You can do this by either a component or a video or a S-Video connection.
*Audio signals are not output from the HDMI monitor output terminal, so also make analog or digital audio connections. To play sound using digital audeo connections, assign the digital terminal (coaxial or optical) at "Setting the Digital in Assignment"

SlmShdy1 · 09-29-2009, 02:12 AM

Unplug all of the cables you have going into the TV. The way you have it set up right now, you are completely bypassing the receiver, rendering it useless. The only cable you need going to the TV is the HDMI cable coming from the receiver's Monitor Out.

Here's a break down of how you'll want it hooked up:
Cable box - Use a HDMI cable and digital audio cable (coax or optical) to the receiver.
Blu-ray player - Same as above.
Receiver - Use a HDMI cable to the TV.

Of course, you'll have to assign the digital audio inputs to whichever video mode you're using. For example, you can assign the HDMI 1 and Opt 1 input to DVD (to use for your Blu-ray player).

jshannon · 09-30-2009, 12:12 AM

Why would I have to use audio cables from the cable box and the blu-ray players to the receiver. The audio does work from the receiver with just the HDMI cable. I think I get what you mean by the receiver being bypassed from the cable box to the TV, but why and I still getting audio from the TV through the receiver?

SlmShdy1 · 09-30-2009, 12:36 AM

Why did you buy the receiver? To process the audio. If you have no audio cables running to the receiver from the source, there won't be any audio to process.

If you are now saying that you are getting audio through HDMI, even better. There won't be any need for extra cables. All you'll need is three HDMI cables and you're set. Before, you made it sound like you weren't getting audio from HDMI.

jshannon · 09-30-2009, 02:33 AM

I guess I'm not explaining myself very well, but what I'm trying to say is the only connection I'm having a problem with is the way I have the cable box, receiver and TV set up. The way is is set up is - HDMI from the cable box to the TV HDMI 1. HDMI from the receiver (HDMI out to monitor) to HDMI 2 on the TV. When it is set up like this, I get video on the TV, and audio from the TV. Then I added the audio cables that go from the TV to the receiver, so now I get audio from the receiver. So it seems I am running the signal from the cable box to the TV to the receiver. Would that make any diffence in the sound quality. Sorry for taking up so much of your time for something that probably seems simple to a lot of people here, but it's confusing to me.

09-27-2009, 08:58 PM	#1
jshannon Member Member since:Dec 2008 Blu-ray collection:270 DVD collection:8	Denon 2807 to TP-54G10 connection with HDMI I am connecting my Denon receiver to the TV with HDMI cables. If I am reading my manual for the Denon correctly, I also need to use audio cables, because the audio signals are not output from the HDMI monitor output terminal. If this is the case, what advantage is it to use the HDMI cable from the receiver to the TV. I already get the Video signal from the HD Cable box to the TV through HDMI. I am also going to connect a blu-ray player through the receiver to the TV. Is that the only reason for the HDMI cable from the receiver to the TV? Thanks for any advise.

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09-28-2009, 12:57 AM	#2
SlmShdy1 Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Nov 2007 Location:Honolulu, HI PlayStation® PSN: SlmShdy1 Home Theater Gallery:39 Blu-ray collection:292	You don't need any extra audio cables. HDMI will deliver both video and audio. You shouldn't need any sound going to your TV, but in case you do, there should be an option to turn on the HDMI audio output. It sounds like you're setting it up correctly. Just have everything hook into the receiver and then use one HDMI cable from the receiver to the TV. That way you can control everything from your receiver and not have switch between inputs on your TV.

09-28-2009, 01:52 AM	#4
SlmShdy1 Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Nov 2007 Location:Honolulu, HI PlayStation® PSN: SlmShdy1 Home Theater Gallery:39 Blu-ray collection:292	No, it's a newer receiver and it's not some cheap model. It does do HDMI switching. Passthrough is not an issue here.

09-28-2009, 02:05 AM	#6
jshannon Member Member since:Dec 2008 Blu-ray collection:270 DVD collection:8	The receiver is about three years old. That model only came out in 2006, but when I connected the receiver to the TV with the HDMI cables, I got video, and audio only from the TV's speakers. When I added the audio cables, I got the audio from the receiver. It works, but I'm just wondering if the audio I am getting is lower quality this way. I connected my blu-ray player with just the HDMI cable, and that works perfectly.

09-28-2009, 11:19 PM	#12
jshannon Member Member since:Dec 2008 Blu-ray collection:270 DVD collection:8	Audio from the blu-ray player does go through HDMI, it's only the audio from the cable box to the tv that needs the extra cables.

09-28-2009, 11:40 PM	#14
jshannon Member Member since:Dec 2008 Blu-ray collection:270 DVD collection:8	I just got it from cablevision a couple of months ago. It's a high-def cable box.

09-29-2009, 01:49 AM	#16
jshannon Member Member since:Dec 2008 Blu-ray collection:270 DVD collection:8	Sorry, I was confused there, it's not the audio from the cable box that needs the extra cables. The way I have it set up is, the cable box is connected directly to the TV through HDMI cable. The receiver is connected with an HDMI cable from the HDMI monitor output terminal to the TV. The audio cables are connected from the receiver to the TV. This is word for word from the manual: Connecting equipment with HDMI terminals (To convert analog video signals to HDMI signals) The AVR-2807 is equipped with a function for converting analog video signals into HDMI signals. You can do this by either a component or a video or a S-Video connection. Audio signals are not output from the HDMI monitor output terminal, so also make analog or digital audio connections. To play sound using digital audeo connections, assign the digital terminal (coaxial or optical) at "Setting the Digital in Assignment"

09-29-2009, 02:12 AM	#17
SlmShdy1 Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Nov 2007 Location:Honolulu, HI PlayStation® PSN: SlmShdy1 Home Theater Gallery:39 Blu-ray collection:292	Unplug all of the cables you have going into the TV. The way you have it set up right now, you are completely bypassing the receiver, rendering it useless. The only cable you need going to the TV is the HDMI cable coming from the receiver's Monitor Out. Here's a break down of how you'll want it hooked up: Cable box - Use a HDMI cable and digital audio cable (coax or optical) to the receiver. Blu-ray player - Same as above. Receiver - Use a HDMI cable to the TV. Of course, you'll have to assign the digital audio inputs to whichever video mode you're using. For example, you can assign the HDMI 1 and Opt 1 input to DVD (to use for your Blu-ray player).

09-30-2009, 12:12 AM	#18
jshannon Member Member since:Dec 2008 Blu-ray collection:270 DVD collection:8	Why would I have to use audio cables from the cable box and the blu-ray players to the receiver. The audio does work from the receiver with just the HDMI cable. I think I get what you mean by the receiver being bypassed from the cable box to the TV, but why and I still getting audio from the TV through the receiver?

09-30-2009, 12:36 AM	#19
SlmShdy1 Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Nov 2007 Location:Honolulu, HI PlayStation® PSN: SlmShdy1 Home Theater Gallery:39 Blu-ray collection:292	Why did you buy the receiver? To process the audio. If you have no audio cables running to the receiver from the source, there won't be any audio to process. If you are now saying that you are getting audio through HDMI, even better. There won't be any need for extra cables. All you'll need is three HDMI cables and you're set. Before, you made it sound like you weren't getting audio from HDMI.

09-30-2009, 02:33 AM	#20
jshannon Member Member since:Dec 2008 Blu-ray collection:270 DVD collection:8	I guess I'm not explaining myself very well, but what I'm trying to say is the only connection I'm having a problem with is the way I have the cable box, receiver and TV set up. The way is is set up is - HDMI from the cable box to the TV HDMI 1. HDMI from the receiver (HDMI out to monitor) to HDMI 2 on the TV. When it is set up like this, I get video on the TV, and audio from the TV. Then I added the audio cables that go from the TV to the receiver, so now I get audio from the receiver. So it seems I am running the signal from the cable box to the TV to the receiver. Would that make any diffence in the sound quality. Sorry for taking up so much of your time for something that probably seems simple to a lot of people here, but it's confusing to me.

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