movies that say 7.1 dts mastes aud. but only play in 5.1

[hardiride69]

I have this for my set up--a pioneer elite vsx-94txh reciver , sony bdp-s550 blu-ray player and a ps3 and all hooked up using hdmi and set to bitstream . ALL UPDATES DONE AND UP TO DATE . and all 7.1 one speakers all hooked up

heres my ? why is it when i have Blu-ray discs that say: DTS Master Audio 7.1 (Rambo: The Flight Continues, X-Men: The Last Stand) lights on the receiver indicate that 6.1 or 7.1 are operating, but I have also bought movies The Condemned (DTS-HD High Resolution Audio 7.1) and T2: Judgement Day (DTS-HD Master Audio 6.1) they only indicate that is only playing 5.1.

Has anyone else ran into problems with movies like this? I've messed with various settings and still no luck.

[jcb]

Hi,
I took the time to doble check and I can assure you that Rambo is in 7.1. I am using the analog outputs from a Panasonic BD55.

jcb

[VenomBrock]

Your PS3 is set to bitstream? It should be set to MPCM if you want lossless. My PS3 decodes the 7.1 track on Rambo no problem.

[hardiride69]

my ps3 is set to pcm and i have no problem with Rambo,X MEN ,SAW IV ,WITCH ARE 7.1 MASTER AUDIO .on ether of them the ps3 or bdp-s550 just movies like the new T2 Judment Day{ dts hd master audio 6.1} and the Condemned {witch is dts high res. 7.1 audio} and i even bought X MEN last night along with T2 {dts hd master audio 6.1} and the X MEN witch is {dts hd master audio 6.1 } plays and operates and lights light up on the reciver as they should

[hardiride69]

i did forget to say i did play the movies last night and the master audio did light up on the reciver but where it endicates how many speakers are playing through only showed 5.1 it did sound realy good . but then i put in X MEN witch is the same dts format and everything worked as it should have all 6.1 speakers lit up . could it be a problem with the movie T2 AND CONDEMNED

[hardiride69]

but i even tried and was manly watching the movie on my sony dbp-s550 player so it could be something wrong with my reciver

[ckenisell]

Originally Posted by hardiride69

i did forget to say i did play the movies last night and the master audio did light up on the reciver but where it endicates how many speakers are playing through only showed 5.1 it did sound realy good . but then i put in X MEN witch is the same dts format and everything worked as it should have all 6.1 speakers lit up . could it be a problem with the movie T2 AND CONDEMNED

No, you have your PS3 set up incorrectly. There is nothing wrong with the movies. If your receiver should ONLY be receiving uncompressed PCM from the PS3. If you have the PS3 set up correclty, it decodes the 7.1 DTS-HD MA tracks (and Dolby TrueHD tracks for that matter) and sends them to the receiver in PCM. You have to manually set up the audio option in the PS3 audio settings.

Audio > HDMI > Manual > Uncheck anything except the PCM options > Save settings...

Something like that.

[gear]

Originally Posted by hardiride69

i did forget to say i did play the movies last night and the master audio did light up on the reciver but where it endicates how many speakers are playing through only showed 5.1 it did sound realy good . but then i put in X MEN witch is the same dts format and everything worked as it should have all 6.1 speakers lit up . could it be a problem with the movie T2 AND CONDEMNED

There is a known problem with the "speakers indicator lights" on the Pioneer 92TXH & 94TXH with certain 7.1 movies. There's some talk over on AVS about it in the big 94TXH thread. I have one and if you play certain 7.1 movies like the Condemed, Rush Hour 3 and a few others that are flagged differently the 94 will still decode 7.1, but display only the lights for 5.1 speakers( the audio is not down converted from 7.1 to 5.1).

To verify this hit SBCH on the remote and cycle through and set it to AUTO. Then go over and listen to your back speakers and you'll hear sound even though th elights show 5.1. Auto will detect the incoming signal and only activate the number of speakers from the incoming signal. Also my PS3 displays 7.1 on these movies. While the lights only show 5.1 the movies are encoded as 7.1, its just that the lights aren't properly working with a handful of movies that are encoded differently.

Try it for yourself and search this thread for "lights" and you'll see what I mean http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...ighlight=94txh

Yamaha and Onkyo have also had problems showing the correct number lights with these movies.http://forums.highdefdigest.com/blu-...nnels-ps3.html

[BIslander]

The Condemned is one of a handful of dts-MA 7.1 discs known to cause a 5.1 downmix with some DTS decoders. That was a problem with the initial PS3 decoder, which was fixed with a firmware update. It looks like the decoder in your Elite AVR may have the same problem.

That particular disc was mixed with surrounds flagged for non-standard positioning (pulled back farther than normal). Some DTS decoders don't know how to handle surrounds in non-standard positions and downmix 7.1 to 5.1 as a result.

The new T2 Skynet edition is causing all sorts of problems for many players, many of which can't even load the disc.

[Grim Reaper]

Originally Posted by BIslander

The Condemned is one of a handful of dts-MA 7.1 discs known to cause a 5.1 downmix with some DTS decoders. That was a problem with the initial PS3 decoder, which was fixed with a firmware update. It looks like the decoder in your Elite AVR may have the same problem.

That particular disc was mixed with surrounds flagged for non-standard positioning (pulled back farther than normal). Some DTS decoders don't know how to handle surrounds in non-standard positions and downmix 7.1 to 5.1 as a result.

The new T2 Skynet edition is causing all sorts of problems for many players, many of which can't even load the disc.

T2 Skyney works fine on my ps3. mine came with the t-800 endoskull.

[theleep]

This happens to me also on Terminator 2: Skynet. I have the BDP-S350 and Onkyo TX-SR605 receiver. I am wondering if this is a problem with the player or the receiver, because the display on the player says 5.1. Anyone else with the S350 having this problem?

[STARSCREAM]

Originally Posted by theleep

This happens to me also on Terminator 2: Skynet. I have the BDP-S350 and Onkyo TX-SR605 receiver. I am wondering if this is a problem with the player or the receiver, because the display on the player says 5.1. Anyone else with the S350 having this problem?

My ps3 info bar shows 6.1 on T2 but the receiver shows 5.1. Here's the deal, alot of these 6.1/7.1 mixes are showing 5.1 on receivers because the flags for the extr channel/s aren't being picked up. If 6.1 isn't an actual discrete true 6.1 then it has a flag for the extra channel for stuff like 6.1 es/ex mixes. This is the case with T2. Sometimes the flags aren't read properly and thus that extra channel isn't picked up. In this case just pick an ex dsp on your receiver.

[hardiride69]

has anyone heard anything about the new pioneer blu-ray players it seams the panasonic is on top again with there nerw line of blu-rays

[WetCardboard]

Sorry to give life to such an old thread but I am having a similar issue with Rambo on Blu-Ray as well. I am only getting 5.1 DTS-HD MA playback when I should be getting 7.1. Here's the odd thing, it USED to work...I previously had PowerDVD8 Ultra installed but I recently did the upgrade from Vista to Windows 7 and got PowerDVD9 Ultra. My only other DTS-HD MA 7.1 Blu-Ray is 3:10 To Yuma and that plays back all 8 channels. Any ideas? Thanks!

[Alan Gordon]

Originally Posted by hardiride69

The Condemned (DTS-HD High Resolution Audio 7.1)

Just wanted to highlight the above!

I believe that the above movie is NOT DTS-HD MA, but DTS-HD.

I keep seeing people refer to the soundtrack as DTS-HD MA, and just wanted to remind people.

~Alan

[gear]

Originally Posted by Alan Gordon

Just wanted to highlight the above!

I believe that the above movie is NOT DTS-HD MA, but DTS-HD.

I keep seeing people refer to the soundtrack as DTS-HD MA, and just wanted to remind people.

~Alan

Thanks Alan you are correct it is DTS-HD HR. not MA

[solarrdadd]

I don't have the movie "condemded" but I do have the new "T2, skynet edition" movie. on my Oppo the T2 movie is sending out 6.1 DTS-HD-MA, however the receiver is only displaying that it is getting 5.1 DTS-HD-MA. I'm not sure if this is the receiver or the movie itself; i'm inclined to believe it's the movie. To check on this, i went and got my Xmen X2 blu-ray and it displayed the following: 6.1 DTS-HD-MA on both, what the player was putting out and what the receiver was getting in and putting out. I am inclined to think it is the T2 movie that is the problem. when i say problem i mean the way it's codec for 6.1 is done.

i say this because i have two movies, both putting out 6.1 DTS-HD-MA according to the display from the source, the Oppo blu player. however, on the receiver side, T2 is showing that it's getting in and putting out 5.1 and the Xmen is showing that it's getting in and putting out 6.1 and it shows in the speaker box reresentations on the display screen on the receiver. On my onkyo when something comes in as 6.1 and you have a 7.1 system (like i do) then it takes that 6th channel and puts it out across both your surround back speakers at the same time to make them sound as one speaker (channel).

On a seperate not I also have the German release of "T2 Ultimate HD Edition" which is in 7.1 DTS-HD-HR (lossy, but sounds really, really good!) and it displays just like that correctly. so, i have faith in the receiver as to what it is showing. i have movies encoded in every HD Audio Codec and core codec that there is from 5.1, 6.1 & 7.1 all have displayed correctly on the receiver i have except T2-skynet edition so, i'm inclined to believe that this is a problem with the movie and the way it's audio was done.

[solarrdadd]

Originally Posted by solarrdadd

I don't have the movie "condemded" but I do have the new "T2, skynet edition" movie. on my Oppo the T2 movie is sending out 6.1 DTS-HD-MA, however the receiver is only displaying that it is getting 5.1 DTS-HD-MA. I'm not sure if this is the receiver or the movie itself; i'm inclined to believe it's the movie. To check on this, i went and got my Xmen X2 blu-ray and it displayed the following: 6.1 DTS-HD-MA on both, what the player was putting out and what the receiver was getting in and putting out. I am inclined to think it is the T2 movie that is the problem. when i say problem i mean the way it's codec for 6.1 is done.

i say this because i have two movies, both putting out 6.1 DTS-HD-MA according to the display from the source, the Oppo blu player. however, on the receiver side, T2 is showing that it's getting in and putting out 5.1 and the Xmen is showing that it's getting in and putting out 6.1 and it shows in the speaker box reresentations on the display screen on the receiver. On my onkyo when something comes in as 6.1 and you have a 7.1 system (like i do) then it takes that 6th channel and puts it out across both your surround back speakers at the same time to make them sound as one speaker (channel).

On a seperate not I also have the German release of "T2 Ultimate HD Edition" which is in 7.1 DTS-HD-HR (lossy, but sounds really, really good!) and it displays just like that correctly. so, i have faith in the receiver as to what it is showing. i have movies encoded in every HD Audio Codec and core codec that there is from 5.1, 6.1 & 7.1 all have displayed correctly on the receiver i have except T2-skynet edition so, i'm inclined to believe that this is a problem with the movie and the way it's audio was done.

I did have another movie that is listed as 6.1 DTS-HD-HR (High Resolution) and that movie was "Total Recall" and on my receiver it shows as mentioned above; correctly! Looks like arnold is batting 500 with the DTS folks! Again, I think it's the way that the movie has encoded it's audio in such a way that it doesn't look quite right to the receiver despite the fact that the player says it's putting out 6.1, T2 skynet edition would only show up on the receiver end as 5.1 so i think something didn't look right to Onkyo. once i get the new UMC-1 from Emotiva either later this month or early next month, i'll re-do the test and let you all know what i come up with.

[onehothemi]

Not outstanding the fact that the T2 skynet in my bdp-s350 takes a year to load, it does process to my onkyo 606 fine as DTS-MA 6.1 MATRIX which if you have a DTSMA/HD receiver that is capable of processing it, depending on the connection and settings should play the 6 and 7th channel as 1 to give you the 6th of the 6.1, unless your receiver is a 6.1 direct and you have a single rear channel speaker in which case the reciever will directly output to that single rear. Other than that the other disks work fine for me

[Uncle Leo]

Originally Posted by solarrdadd

I did have another movie that is listed as 6.1 DTS-HD-HR (High Resolution) and that movie was "Total Recall" and on my receiver it shows as mentioned above; correctly! Looks like arnold is batting 500 with the DTS folks! Again, I think it's the way that the movie has encoded it's audio in such a way that it doesn't look quite right to the receiver despite the fact that the player says it's putting out 6.1, T2 skynet edition would only show up on the receiver end as 5.1 so i think something didn't look right to Onkyo. once i get the new UMC-1 from Emotiva either later this month or early next month, i'll re-do the test and let you all know what i come up with.

You just quoted yourself?