movies that say 7.1 dts mastes aud. but only play in 5.1

[Alan Gordon]

Originally Posted by hardiride69

The Condemned (DTS-HD High Resolution Audio 7.1)

Just wanted to highlight the above!

I believe that the above movie is NOT DTS-HD MA, but DTS-HD.

I keep seeing people refer to the soundtrack as DTS-HD MA, and just wanted to remind people.

~Alan

[gear]

Originally Posted by Alan Gordon

Just wanted to highlight the above!

I believe that the above movie is NOT DTS-HD MA, but DTS-HD.

I keep seeing people refer to the soundtrack as DTS-HD MA, and just wanted to remind people.

~Alan

Thanks Alan you are correct it is DTS-HD HR. not MA

[solarrdadd]

I don't have the movie "condemded" but I do have the new "T2, skynet edition" movie. on my Oppo the T2 movie is sending out 6.1 DTS-HD-MA, however the receiver is only displaying that it is getting 5.1 DTS-HD-MA. I'm not sure if this is the receiver or the movie itself; i'm inclined to believe it's the movie. To check on this, i went and got my Xmen X2 blu-ray and it displayed the following: 6.1 DTS-HD-MA on both, what the player was putting out and what the receiver was getting in and putting out. I am inclined to think it is the T2 movie that is the problem. when i say problem i mean the way it's codec for 6.1 is done.

i say this because i have two movies, both putting out 6.1 DTS-HD-MA according to the display from the source, the Oppo blu player. however, on the receiver side, T2 is showing that it's getting in and putting out 5.1 and the Xmen is showing that it's getting in and putting out 6.1 and it shows in the speaker box reresentations on the display screen on the receiver. On my onkyo when something comes in as 6.1 and you have a 7.1 system (like i do) then it takes that 6th channel and puts it out across both your surround back speakers at the same time to make them sound as one speaker (channel).

On a seperate not I also have the German release of "T2 Ultimate HD Edition" which is in 7.1 DTS-HD-HR (lossy, but sounds really, really good!) and it displays just like that correctly. so, i have faith in the receiver as to what it is showing. i have movies encoded in every HD Audio Codec and core codec that there is from 5.1, 6.1 & 7.1 all have displayed correctly on the receiver i have except T2-skynet edition so, i'm inclined to believe that this is a problem with the movie and the way it's audio was done.

[solarrdadd]

Originally Posted by solarrdadd

I don't have the movie "condemded" but I do have the new "T2, skynet edition" movie. on my Oppo the T2 movie is sending out 6.1 DTS-HD-MA, however the receiver is only displaying that it is getting 5.1 DTS-HD-MA. I'm not sure if this is the receiver or the movie itself; i'm inclined to believe it's the movie. To check on this, i went and got my Xmen X2 blu-ray and it displayed the following: 6.1 DTS-HD-MA on both, what the player was putting out and what the receiver was getting in and putting out. I am inclined to think it is the T2 movie that is the problem. when i say problem i mean the way it's codec for 6.1 is done.

i say this because i have two movies, both putting out 6.1 DTS-HD-MA according to the display from the source, the Oppo blu player. however, on the receiver side, T2 is showing that it's getting in and putting out 5.1 and the Xmen is showing that it's getting in and putting out 6.1 and it shows in the speaker box reresentations on the display screen on the receiver. On my onkyo when something comes in as 6.1 and you have a 7.1 system (like i do) then it takes that 6th channel and puts it out across both your surround back speakers at the same time to make them sound as one speaker (channel).

On a seperate not I also have the German release of "T2 Ultimate HD Edition" which is in 7.1 DTS-HD-HR (lossy, but sounds really, really good!) and it displays just like that correctly. so, i have faith in the receiver as to what it is showing. i have movies encoded in every HD Audio Codec and core codec that there is from 5.1, 6.1 & 7.1 all have displayed correctly on the receiver i have except T2-skynet edition so, i'm inclined to believe that this is a problem with the movie and the way it's audio was done.

I did have another movie that is listed as 6.1 DTS-HD-HR (High Resolution) and that movie was "Total Recall" and on my receiver it shows as mentioned above; correctly! Looks like arnold is batting 500 with the DTS folks! Again, I think it's the way that the movie has encoded it's audio in such a way that it doesn't look quite right to the receiver despite the fact that the player says it's putting out 6.1, T2 skynet edition would only show up on the receiver end as 5.1 so i think something didn't look right to Onkyo. once i get the new UMC-1 from Emotiva either later this month or early next month, i'll re-do the test and let you all know what i come up with.

[onehothemi]

Not outstanding the fact that the T2 skynet in my bdp-s350 takes a year to load, it does process to my onkyo 606 fine as DTS-MA 6.1 MATRIX which if you have a DTSMA/HD receiver that is capable of processing it, depending on the connection and settings should play the 6 and 7th channel as 1 to give you the 6th of the 6.1, unless your receiver is a 6.1 direct and you have a single rear channel speaker in which case the reciever will directly output to that single rear. Other than that the other disks work fine for me

[solarrdadd]

Originally Posted by onehothemi

Not outstanding the fact that the T2 skynet in my bdp-s350 takes a year to load, it does process to my onkyo 606 fine as DTS-MA 6.1 MATRIX which if you have a DTSMA/HD receiver that is capable of processing it, depending on the connection and settings should play the 6 and 7th channel as 1 to give you the 6th of the 6.1, unless your receiver is a 6.1 direct and you have a single rear channel speaker in which case the reciever will directly output to that single rear. Other than that the other disks work fine for me

I don't have my receiver set to receive any "matrix" for my blu-ray movies they are bitstreamed and the receiver is set to "direct". DTS-HD-MA does in fact light up on my receiver, however, when i press the display button it says 5.1 and the speaker setup on the screen shows the 5 speakers in use. when i select display on the Oppo player on screen it says DTS-HD-MA 6.1 is what it's sending out. I'm saying that this is the only movie in my entire collection that does this. i did list other 6.1 movies that i have, all in the DTS flavor and all play and display 6.1 on the receiver. that is why i said i think it's an issue with the way the movie makers encoded the disc. my other 6.1 movies play as you mentioned with my two surround back speakers seen as one with the same sound coming out of both of them to simulate one central speakers instead of two seperate back channels like i said earlier.

[hardiride69]

hi every one thanks 4 replying to this . but last night i did put the movie in my ps3 and yes it is set to pcm and your right everything lit up all 7.1 speakers so the problem is that my reciver wont show thats its 6.1 or 7.1 {just on some movies not all like saw ,rambo all work great }using the 550 but i do have to say i was thinking about getting riide of the ps3 sence it like new and never used because i used the 550 most of the time but i see with movie like condemnd ,t2 i might end up needing it but i do have another ? i see pioneer has cam out with a cpl new blu-ray players and was thinking about getting rid of the sony 550 and ps3 what do you think and does anyone know about the pioneer sc07 reciver is it any better then my 94txh or should i look back into a yamaha reciver i still have my 1 owner rxv 3200 yamaha and am a big fan of my yamaha paired up with my klispch klf 30's

[Uncle Leo]

Originally Posted by solarrdadd

I did have another movie that is listed as 6.1 DTS-HD-HR (High Resolution) and that movie was "Total Recall" and on my receiver it shows as mentioned above; correctly! Looks like arnold is batting 500 with the DTS folks! Again, I think it's the way that the movie has encoded it's audio in such a way that it doesn't look quite right to the receiver despite the fact that the player says it's putting out 6.1, T2 skynet edition would only show up on the receiver end as 5.1 so i think something didn't look right to Onkyo. once i get the new UMC-1 from Emotiva either later this month or early next month, i'll re-do the test and let you all know what i come up with.

You just quoted yourself?

[solarrdadd]

and it felt real good too!

[davcole]

Sounds like first generation HDMI receivers like the Pioneer and the Onkyos have problems with the ES flag in the DTSHR/DTSMA signals.

[gear]

Originally Posted by davcole

Sounds like first generation HDMI receivers like the Pioneer and the Onkyos have problems with the ES flag in the DTSHR/DTSMA signals.

Yamaha has the problem as well, but it seems that all these receiver's only have the problem on 5 or 10 movies that are encoded in a non-standard way that the manufacturers did not account for. Since it's only the lights, it really doesn't matter to me. The lights are so tiny I never look at them anyway. I just pull up the heads up display on the PS3 that shows 5.1 6.1, or 7.1 to see the decoding. As long as the sound comes out the back speakers then I really don't care about the tiny lights.