Wow!!! Seinfeld & I Love Lucy look great in HD!!! - Blu-ray Forum

jimmymiro12 · 10-06-2008, 12:33 AM

Ok so I cant say I have seen a full episode of either show in HD but there was I was watching ABC in hd last night and there was a commercial for macys.

There were a bunch of different tv show/movie clips talking about Macys and they show I Love Lucy and Seinfeld each as one of those shows. I couldnt believe how good each show looked.

The only problem as discussed by other board members if they do get bluray releases you could clearly see in the clips for those shows the top was cut off.

But still I think they both looked great and I hope that they both get bluray releases or should I just pick up I LOVE LUCY on dvd?

Just though I would let you guys know.

jw · 10-06-2008, 01:11 AM

DVD it may be a long while before TVonDVD is widely adapted to blu-ray

DetroitSportsFan · 10-06-2008, 01:47 AM

Seinfeld looks pretty good in HD on TBS.

owa · 10-06-2008, 01:51 AM

Is it 4:3 on TBS?

UPSandy · 10-06-2008, 02:47 AM

yeah its 4:3...unless your tv stretches to make it fit....god i hate that

PootieThang · 10-06-2008, 04:05 AM

TBS HD Seinfield isn't 4:3. The cropped the picture so that it would be 16:9. Regardless of the loss of picture on the top and bottom it looks great.

blu-bee · 10-06-2008, 04:21 AM

Now, I've seen Seinfeld on TBS HD in both crystal clear 16:9 and shoddy 4:3, so I assume certain episodes or (most likely) older episodes have either not been upscaled or were filmed in a different way. I think there was a thread a couple of weeks back that covered this.

#Darren · 10-06-2008, 11:44 AM

Sadly the online Blu ray reviewers seem to be giving this "cropping" practice a free pass (as happened with Lonesome Dove- nary a negative comment). I don't know what gives there... They would be slamming it if it happened with widescreen movies. IMO consumers should at the very least be given BOTH options.

Objectivity · 10-06-2008, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by iDarren

Sadly the online Blu ray reviewers seem to be giving this "cropping" practice a free pass (as happened with Lonesome Dove- nary a negative comment). I don't know what gives there... They would be slamming it if it happened with widescreen movies. IMO consumers should at the very least be given BOTH options.

I don't know about Lonesome Dove, but it's coming out in some cases that miniseries were shot at 16x9 and cropped for 4:3 broadcast.

Case in point is the V miniseries. When they released it on DVD, people complained that it was chopped to make it 16:9. The director/creator said that it was shot 16:9 because there had been plans to release it as a movie in Europe.

monkeyjb1988 · 02-14-2010, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by jimmymiro12

Ok so I cant say I have seen a full episode of either show in HD but there was I was watching ABC in hd last night and there was a commercial for macys.

There were a bunch of different tv show/movie clips talking about Macys and they show I Love Lucy and Seinfeld each as one of those shows. I couldnt believe how good each show looked.

The only problem as discussed by other board members if they do get bluray releases you could clearly see in the clips for those shows the top was cut off.

But still I think they both looked great and I hope that they both get bluray releases or should I just pick up I LOVE LUCY on dvd?

Just though I would let you guys know.

Sorry to bump, but I must ask: You saw I Love Lucy in HD?!

I knew it would look good in HD. I like how there is hidden evidence of shows being great in HD. One of the things I liked about The Pixar Story on the Wall-E Blu-Ray, besides being an awesome documentary, was its sneak peek of Pixar classics in HD, especially Nemo and Incredibles. Man, I hope they reshow that commercial again or, better yet, release I Love Lucy on Blu-Ray.

P.S. I'm not surprised to hear Seinfeld looks good in HD. Love watching it on TBS HD.

Idioteque... · 02-14-2010, 02:22 AM

Seinfeld and The Office are huge fun to watch in HD.

Kory · 02-14-2010, 02:33 AM

Seinfeld is slightly cropped on the top and bottom, but it's also opened up on the sides, in order to create the 16:9 picture.

bogo5 · 02-14-2010, 12:47 PM

Being a hardcore Seinfeld fan I will never buy it on Blu unless its the original uncropped. 16:9 is Disgusting.

PeterTHX · 02-18-2010, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Objectivity

Case in point is the V miniseries. When they released it on DVD, people complained that it was chopped to make it 16:9. The director/creator said that it was shot 16:9 because there had been plans to release it as a movie in Europe.

They protected for 16x9 but the show was shot 1.33, compositions are a bit tight, even in visual effects shots.
SyFy-HD showed V: The Final Battle this week in 4x3. Looked pretty darn good.

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Originally Posted by bogo5

Being a hardcore Seinfeld fan I will never buy it on Blu unless its the original uncropped. 16:9 is Disgusting.

As I said, it's all in the composition.

Apparently people have done comparisons, some top & bottom cropped, but more shown at the sides. Hogan's Heroes on HDNet looks like it was filmed 16x9 from the beginning.

SpotOn · 02-18-2010, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bogo5

Being a hardcore Seinfeld fan I will never buy it on Blu unless its the original uncropped. 16:9 is Disgusting.

The show was shot on 35 mm film and was undoubtedly framed for 16x9 or 1.78:1

All films shot in the 1.85 ratio are shot in 4:3, then the top and bottom are cropped by the projector, thus creating the 1.85:1 ratio.

If you watch Seinfeld in it's 4:3 versions, you will notice a substantial amount of room between the top of the character's head and the top of the frame. That is the area that was intended to be cropped in the future (i.e. whenever widescreen sets become the norm, like now)

People should be praising the 16x9 versions, but since your average Joe doesn't know about 35mm film and cropping, people think the image is being mutilated. It is not.

Try watching a 16x9 Seinfeld and tell me if any important picture info is missing. I can tell you, the new framing is correct.

seinfeld16x9vs4x3qr5.jpg

Plus, the 16X9 versions reveal more side info from the camera negative then the "original" 4:3 versions show.

Shooting with 16:9 in mind was a way of future-proofing the show for syndication. And yes, even though they were a rarity, 16:9 TVs did exist back in the early '90s.

Afrobean · 02-19-2010, 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by PootieThang

TBS HD Seinfield isn't 4:3. The cropped the picture so that it would be 16:9. Regardless of the loss of picture on the top and bottom it looks great.

That's because it was reframed in 16:9 rather than simply cropped. A simple crop will be abrasive and highly noticeable, with heads getting chopped off and very important parts of the frame being lost. A reframe can easily go unnoticed if you don't know any better.

Look at the screencap comparison of Seinfeld above. The rule of thirds is replicated in the new frame and the majority of lost material from the shot is in the stool and countertop. As far as I'm concerned, the 16:9 Seinfeld is probably as unnoticeably "cropped" as any film which was shot open matte in full frame but presented in widescreen theatrically.

And what's this about I Love Lucy? Has it been remastered?

Sabotage · 02-27-2010, 05:38 AM

Seinfeld looks alright. It is a noticeable diffenrece though.

10-06-2008, 12:33 AM	#1
jimmymiro12 Senior Member Member since:Jun 2008 Blu-ray collection:225 Trading Score:122	Wow!!! Seinfeld & I Love Lucy look great in HD!!! Ok so I cant say I have seen a full episode of either show in HD but there was I was watching ABC in hd last night and there was a commercial for macys. There were a bunch of different tv show/movie clips talking about Macys and they show I Love Lucy and Seinfeld each as one of those shows. I couldnt believe how good each show looked. The only problem as discussed by other board members if they do get bluray releases you could clearly see in the clips for those shows the top was cut off. But still I think they both looked great and I hope that they both get bluray releases or should I just pick up I LOVE LUCY on dvd? Just though I would let you guys know.

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10-06-2008, 01:11 AM	#2
jw Blu-ray Archduke Top contributor Member since:Apr 2007 Location:USA Trading Score:519	DVD it may be a long while before TVonDVD is widely adapted to blu-ray

10-06-2008, 01:47 AM	#3
DetroitSportsFan Hot Deals Moderator Top contributor Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Michigan 4K collection:439 Blu-ray collection:2226 Trading Score:93	Seinfeld looks pretty good in HD on TBS.

10-06-2008, 01:51 AM	#4
owa Blu-ray Knight Member since:Apr 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 96	Is it 4:3 on TBS?

10-06-2008, 02:47 AM	#5
UPSandy Active Member Member since:Feb 2008	yeah its 4:3...unless your tv stretches to make it fit....god i hate that

10-06-2008, 04:05 AM	#6
PootieThang Active Member Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray collection:102 Trading Score:11	TBS HD Seinfield isn't 4:3. The cropped the picture so that it would be 16:9. Regardless of the loss of picture on the top and bottom it looks great.

10-06-2008, 04:21 AM	#7
blu-bee Member Member since:Sep 2008 Location:Ventura, CA	Now, I've seen Seinfeld on TBS HD in both crystal clear 16:9 and shoddy 4:3, so I assume certain episodes or (most likely) older episodes have either not been upscaled or were filmed in a different way. I think there was a thread a couple of weeks back that covered this.

10-06-2008, 11:44 AM	#8
#Darren Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Feb 2008 Blu-ray collection:1471 Blu-ray reviews: 62	Sadly the online Blu ray reviewers seem to be giving this "cropping" practice a free pass (as happened with Lonesome Dove- nary a negative comment). I don't know what gives there... They would be slamming it if it happened with widescreen movies. IMO consumers should at the very least be given BOTH options.

02-14-2010, 02:22 AM	#11
Idioteque... Banned Member since:Sep 2009 Location:NJ Blu-ray collection:140	Seinfeld and The Office are huge fun to watch in HD.

02-14-2010, 02:33 AM	#12
Kory Banned Member since:Nov 2009 Location:Michigan Blu-ray collection:1060 Trading Score:7	Seinfeld is slightly cropped on the top and bottom, but it's also opened up on the sides, in order to create the 16:9 picture.

02-14-2010, 12:47 PM	#13
bogo5 Senior Member Member since:Jan 2009 Location:Australia	Being a hardcore Seinfeld fan I will never buy it on Blu unless its the original uncropped. 16:9 is Disgusting.

02-27-2010, 05:38 AM	#17
Sabotage Expert Member Member since:Dec 2009 Location:Vancouver, British Columbia Blu-ray collection:84 Blu-ray reviews:1	Seinfeld looks alright. It is a noticeable diffenrece though.

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