ISO images for Blu-ray discs

[NaTaS]

Hi,
I am new in this forum and this will be my first post, i hope i am in the right room. I have a Sony BWU-100A that came with burning sofware and everything, the company i work for wants to use it for backup purposes, i need to create an ISO image for a compiled folder on the network ( around 24 GB of data) then burn that image into a Blue ray disc. Does anybody know a tool that can create an image of that size?

thanks

[Branden]

latest version of nero has BD support and can create ISO files and burn them, though i'm not sure if it has support for 25G as i don't have BD burner yet.
in nero go file -> options -> expert features and check "enable all supported recorder formats for the image recorder", this alows you to burn to ISO as well as NRG format. when you're ready to burn simply select "image recorder" as your burner to create the ISO/NRG.

why make an ISO then burn it? that would just eat up 24G more space. why not just burn straight to BD?

[takezo]

why make an ISO then burn it? that would just eat up 24G more space. why not just burn straight to BD?

You can't burn directly to Blu-ray or any format from a network share. The network bandwith is not fast enough. That is if the drive is not physicaly on the computer that is hosting the share. However i have heard that Blur-ray drives can't burn straight to disk, it must create an image first. Don't know if it's true though.

It all depends on the Burning suite you use. I sugest you make an image using the app that came with the burner. Note that these burning suites are mearly watered down OEM versions. However It still should alow you to make images using it's own proprietary image format. Which should be fine since you have only one Blu-ray drive.

i would check manuals first, then check help section in suite. It may already have a backup utill included. Then for last ditch effort call customer support.
these are just things you must do in the world of IT.

[NaTaS]

I am going to try that, i am downloading newest version of Nero right now, hopefully it will be able to create large image files, we have considered the posibility of just burning directly rather than creating an image, theoretically it should save space and time, we need to burn multiple copies of eac set.

i will give it a try and let you know how it went.

thanks for your fast respone.

[Branden]

Originally Posted by takezo

You can't burn ..... from a network share. The network bandwith is not fast enough.

are you sure? i know older versions of nero and other software don't support burning from network shares, but i'm confident the later versions of nero do (ie v7). all my ISO files are stored on one burnerless PC and must therefore be burnt off a different PC, always via LAN.
i think nero automatically reduces burning speed on-the-fly or pre-caches files if the network is too slow. ever since i noticed nero 7 supported network burning i've been doing it.

NaTaS, what software came with the burner?

[NaTaS]

It came with Cyberlink BD Solution, and its got several tools, i have not checked completely all the features just yet, but i think the image recorder supports 25 GB images, i downloaded a trial version of nero and it does it too, but its taking too long just to cache the files.

[Branden]

you likely won't find any quick way to do it, especially over a network. by my own quick half-asses calculations tranfering 25G over a 100MB network at theoretical full speed would still take over 30 minutes, and you could likely expect significantly longer to burn it.
in short 25G is alot and will take some time to copy, burn, transfer, etc.

[NaTaS]

Yes, you are right, its taking even longer than that, i am thinking about putting the BD burner as a local drive where the Data is stored, that way the caching would take less time, since it would not be going over the network.

[Branden]

Originally Posted by NaTaS

i am thinking about putting the BD burner as a local drive where the Data is stored, that way the caching would take less time, since it would not be going over the network.

smart.

at least it won't bog down the network, and may not even have to cache anything either. now you're essentially only limited by burner, hdd, and bus speeds.

[Don Blish]

The above are all about the mechanics of making a Blu-Ray backup. Before you comit to this, do assure yourself that you can get an internally consistent set of files over the time needed to make a backup. The best speed you could expect is about 2 hours to fill a 25GB disc and 4 hours for a 50GB dual layer disc. The speed is much worse if you just drag and drop instead of using Cyberlink's Power2Go application or the accompanying .iso burner. If you drag and drop, it will be about half that speed since it has to open the directory, add the file then close it again. A related discussion is here

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=10930

[NaTaS]

I dont understand when you say "Drag and Drop", i use Power2Go and when you select what you want to burn, it must be copied to the app clipboard, is there a way to skip this? also, after is copied to the clippboard, and beign burn process, it does a "verification" and then a "preparation" before it actuallygoes to the burning stage, which take a tremendouoes amount of time....not to mention that my system crashes...


regards

[Don Blish]

By drag and drop, I mean if you DONT open Power2Go, and use XP's (file system) Explorer to drop a folder on the drive.

As an aside, I have disabled the Cyberlink/Sony Power2Go-Express "barber pole" in startup because, occasionally, it would stop some of my overnite HD renders in PremierePro.

[floyd-man]

Originally Posted by Branden

latest version of nero has BD support and can create ISO files and burn them, though i'm not sure if it has support for 25G as i don't have BD burner yet.
in nero go file -> options -> expert features and check "enable all supported recorder formats for the image recorder", this alows you to burn to ISO as well as NRG format. when you're ready to burn simply select "image recorder" as your burner to create the ISO/NRG.

why make an ISO then burn it? that would just eat up 24G more space. why not just burn straight to BD?

For your question about NERO and the BD burning thing. You can brun a 25G BD-R disc, I try and it work fine. but took a long time to do.

[NaTaS]

what about Systems requirements.... The users manual for the BR drive says 512 MB or RAM should be fine, but i encountered Low memory issues so i will be upgrading to 2 GB since i only had 512, i will be upgrading my HD to SATA.

One thing i noticed about Cyberlink Power2Go is that when you select what you want to Burn and copied it into the Clipboard, not only takes a while but after that it goes through a verify process and then a prepare stage, which take even longer....

[Don Blish]

Originally Posted by NaTaS

One thing i noticed about Cyberlink Power2Go is that when you select what you want to Burn and copied it into the Clipboard, not only takes a while but after that it goes through a verify process and then a prepare stage, which take even longer....

Yup, that pre-process is part of my 2hr=25GB, 4hr=50GB experience. I can tell that part of the pre-process it to check the length of filenames. Some music from the Smithsonian has phenomenonally long ones I haven't shortened yet.

[NaTaS]

Hi,
Well i got a new HD and added more memory to my system 2 GB. But i still have the same problem, i try to burn a local folder on my hard drive which is close to 23 GB, Cyberlink Power2Go, finishes the verify part, then when it gets to the preparing stage, it crashes at 26 %, i was having that same problem before the hardware upgrade. If i try to do that same folder from the network, it crashes at 13 %. "Power2Go has encountered a problem and it will be closed".

any ideas would be wellcome

[plee]

Originally Posted by NaTaS

I am going to try that, i am downloading newest version of Nero right now, hopefully it will be able to create large image files, we have considered the posibility of just burning directly rather than creating an image, theoretically it should save space and time, we need to burn multiple copies of eac set.

i will give it a try and let you know how it went.

thanks for your fast respone.

That might not help, you might have to upgrade to the newest version, that's what I had to do to get the \BDAV stuff working for the PS3. I would seriously think about using Nero or other products...

[aristotles]

Has anyone tried creating a small BD project (less than 4.7GB), outputting it to ISO, burning it onto a DVD-R and then trying to play it back on a PS 3 or other BD player?

[NaTaS]

Well,
i discovered that if i select less Data to be burned, instead of the 24 GB i want to burn, i go down to 12 Gb, the apps finishes fine, so the problem is that it will crash with larger amounts of data, i have a pretty decent system... 2 GB Ram, P4 3.0 GHZ and enough disk space, does anybody know if perhaps some kind of memory tune up or more resource allocation is needed to accomplish this?

regards

[Don Blish]

Originally Posted by aristotles

Has anyone tried creating a small BD project (less than 4.7GB), outputting it to ISO, burning it onto a DVD-R and then trying to play it back on a PS 3 or other BD player?

I use Roxio DVDit Pro HD to author Blu-Ray projects with nice menus. For most projects I select 25GB disc as the target and make an .iso image that I burn to an Blu-Ray disc with the software that came with my Sony BWU-100a (Cyberlink BD solution).

For short projects the DVDit forum provides instructions for DVD-+R. At least for my Sony BDP-S1, I still declare the project "25GB" so it knows to make the project with Blu-Ray style menus and folders. I then "Burn" to "Write Volume" on hard disc. Finally I use my Cyberlink to make a data Blu-Ray and ONLY burn the BDMV folder, not the (empty) AACS folder. For best results on DVD media, keep the encoding to no more than about 22 megabits/sec. These play in my BDP-S1 and when it sees DVD media with a BDMV folder it announces "AVCHD", even though it is all encoded mpeg anyway.