Blu-ray Is Going To Absorb Hd Dvd..

[joeorc]

LG's Dual-Format HDTV DVD Player: $795
Amazon.com is now selling the LG dual-format HDTV DVD player for $795 -- roughly $200 off the list price. The player, model BH100, will play both Blu-ray and HD DVD discs, removing the need to buy separate players for the two formats. It will also display 1080p video signals with a HDMI connection.

http://www.tvpredictions.com/2007/08...layer-799.html

[Mr.Neutral]

How does that equal Blu-ray absorbing HD DVD?

Seems to me all it does is give consumers the choice and they can buy movies from either side. I see no advantage to blu-ray with this player.

[joeorc]

Originally Posted by Mr.Neutral

How does that equal Blu-ray absorbing HD DVD?

Seems to me all it does is give consumers the choice and they can buy movies from either side. I see no advantage to blu-ray with this player.

*The LG Super Blu™ Player (BH100) fully supports standard Blu–ray Disc™ and can play high–definition audio/visual content from HD DVD discs. This product is not able to support interactive "iHD" features available from many HD DVD discs.

[Mr.Neutral]

Originally Posted by joeorc

*The LG Super Blu™ Player (BH100) fully supports standard Blu–ray Disc™ and can play high–definition audio/visual content from HD DVD discs. This product is not able to support interactive "iHD" features available from many HD DVD discs.

Ah.. ok. I'm still not sure this is what's going to do it. While I think some extra's can be neat, I don't think I wouldn't buy a title simple because I couldn't play the advanced features.

I also don't see most consumers spending this much. You can spend less and get a player for each format today.

[joeorc]

Originally Posted by Mr.Neutral

Ah.. ok. I'm still not sure this is what's going to do it. While I think some extra's can be neat, I don't think I wouldn't buy a title simple because I couldn't play the advanced features.

I also don't see most consumers spending this much. You can spend less and get a player for each format today.

bingo so if a blu-ray player can also play HD DVD..why would HD DVD be needed..remember HD DVD's claim the "interactive features" notice there is no HD DVD IHD blu-ray NO JAVA combo drive IE: a HD DVD full supported but BLU-RAY with no JAVA interactive features...IT WILL GET TO THE POINT THAT HD DVD support can be added to a blu-ray player for cheap. while its not cheaper to do that the other way OR parties from both sides will not use the others interactive software as far as i can see. HD DVD : IHD only, BLU-RAY: JAVA only.

but with the blu-ray production companies can add HD DVD disc playing cheaper than HD DVD can add BLU-RAY playing.


as long as the player has interactive blu-ray but the loss of features from the non HD DVD IHD interactive features. as long as the disc plays people could care less. if other BLU-RAY CE companies did this it would effectivly kill HD DVD. WHY BECAUSE WE CAN PLAY HD DVD movies and BLU-RAY. and Toshiba
would have pretty much a useless player..HD DVD disc's could be made but with the loss of IHD what would be the point. for THE HD DVD promotional group to keep makeing MOVIES with IHD

reduce this bad boy to say $500.00 and other BLU-RAY hard ware company's do the same...absorb

[Mr.Neutral]

While it certainly isn't a great HD DVD player, it will still play the titles. So people will buy from both sides. All this is going to do is ensure both formats survive.

And Toshiba's player would still have value since its likely going to be under $200 by the end of the year. So its entirely possible that someone might get a full fledged HD DVD player later for a second TV. The could do the same too for blu-ray. It all depends on how many titles they have from each side.

And I still think its far too pricey for the average consumer to buy.

[cueman98]

To be honest, overpriced combo players are redundant. As I already have a PS3 , if i wanted to buy hd-dvd (which I don't!) i would just buy a hd-dvd player, and an hdmi switch box.

Altogether, that would cost $300. For me, it would make more sense to go as cheap as possible. Less to loose when hd-dvd goes.

[joeorc]

Originally Posted by Mr.Neutral

While it certainly isn't a great HD DVD player, it will still play the titles. So people will buy from both sides. All this is going to do is ensure both formats survive.

And Toshiba's player would still have value since its likely going to be under $200 by the end of the year. So its entirely possible that someone might get a full fledged HD DVD player later for a second TV. The could do the same too for blu-ray. It all depends on how many titles they have from each side.

And I still think its far too pricey for the average consumer to buy.

while centenly it would still be out on the market . the combo players would hurt HD DVD's bottom line with out the IHD support what would be the point of the studios going exclusive to HD DVD if blu-ray players can also play HD DVD movies and also have INTERACTIVE FEATURES..cheaper cost.?...because there would not be any reason to go with IHD ....java is cheaper.
the perception WOULD BE A BLU-RAY PLAYER FIRST A HD DVD PLAYER SECOND. if all the BLU-RAY ce companies made their PLAYERS play HD DVD also that would make sure that HD DVD survives but the IHD would not be needed.

[tron3]

Originally Posted by Mr.Neutral

While it certainly isn't a great HD DVD player, it will still play the titles. So people will buy from both sides. All this is going to do is ensure both formats survive.
...
And I still think its far too pricey for the average consumer to buy.

On the contrary, if they cease the production of HD-DVD after this Paramount deal it ensures consumers don't loose the cost of their HD-DVD movies. As I have said in another thread, it is one thing to eat the cost of a new player. It is another to eat the cost of hundreds, or thousands of dollars in video. A dual player lets them keep their existing movies and start to move to blu-ray.

The dual format support becomes moot once they stop production of HD-DVD. Let people buy both formats. It takes the old discs out of stock without sending them to the landfill. Win-win.

The price of the dual player can come down a lot in the next 18 months. Maybe that Paramount deal was an odd buyout to slowly phase HD-DVD out without conceding defeat. Could have been for show.

[shatta]

ok i'll continue to eat my dinner

[joeorc]

Originally Posted by cueman98

To be honest, overpriced combo players are redundant. As I already have a PS3 , if i wanted to buy hd-dvd (which I don't!) i would just buy a hd-dvd player, and an hdmi switch box.

Altogether, that would cost $300. For me, it would make more sense to go as cheap as possible. Less to loose when hd-dvd goes.

i agree what i am saying if the BDA would want to end this real QUICK this would be a sure fire way to do it. HD DVD survives without IHD...
that would be what would effectively kill HD DVD.

remember what the HD DVD promotional group stated about this player....

here is a review on the player it self

http://www.ultimateavmag.com/hddiscp...lue/index.html

[Mr. Joshua]

My take on HD DVD is your only option for a player is a Toshiba player or the XBOX 360 add on. I believe RCA had a player at one time, but never hear about that anymore. What's very interesting to me is that JVC has not gotten into the game yet. I am willing to bet if JVC goes blu-ray, that will be a shift to blu-ray advantage. Denon has a blu-ray player coming out soon if not already. I don't like that I only have 2 choices of players with HD DVD. I've never purchased any Toshiba products and all I hear from owners of the XBOX 360 is they have to send them back due to some red ring virus... I've read reviews that the Toshiba players freeze up.

The only upgrade I really have for the current blu-ray players is they all need an ethernet connection for upgrades and all should be HDMI 1.3 compatible and should handle all surround versions. At least Toshiba is doing this with at least one of not all of their players. I still think movies look better in the blu blu-ray box...

[Banjo]

Originally Posted by wsciv123

My take on HD DVD is your only option for a player is a Toshiba player or the XBOX 360 add on. I believe RCA had a player at one time, but never hear about that anymore..

I believe Costco in Canada sell HD DVD players under the RCA brand. However, I recall reading somewhere that it's the exactly same model as Toshiba's A1 player. Only the exterior look different. I don't know if it's still being sold in Canada but I know it was at the local Costco within a couple months ago. I'll have to check again.

[Mr.Neutral]

Originally Posted by tron3

On the contrary, if they cease the production of HD-DVD after this Paramount deal it ensures consumers don't loose the cost of their HD-DVD movies. As I have said in another thread, it is one thing to eat the cost of a new player. It is another to eat the cost of hundreds, or thousands of dollars in video. A dual player lets them keep their existing movies and start to move to blu-ray.

The dual format support becomes moot once they stop production of HD-DVD. Let people buy both formats. It takes the old discs out of stock without sending them to the landfill. Win-win.

The price of the dual player can come down a lot in the next 18 months. Maybe that Paramount deal was an odd buyout to slowly phase HD-DVD out without conceding defeat. Could have been for show.

If HD DVD died tomorrow, I'd just get a Toshiba player. Its still cheaper to get 2 players than the Combo players. Plus you can actually use them on 2 different TV's where the combo is only good on one.

I still don't see this affecting HD DVD though, at least not negatively. If everyone bought a dual format player tomorrow, then studios could continue to produce on both formats. Owners of these players could buy either. How does that hurt HD DVD?

[takezo]

Originally Posted by joeorc

bingo so if a blu-ray player can also play HD DVD..why would HD DVD be needed..remember HD DVD's claim the "interactive features" notice there is no HD DVD IHD blu-ray NO JAVA combo drive IE: a HD DVD full supported but BLU-RAY with no JAVA interactive features...IT WILL GET TO THE POINT THAT HD DVD support can be added to a blu-ray player for cheap. while its not cheaper to do that the other way OR parties from both sides will not use the others interactive software as far as i can see. HD DVD : IHD only, BLU-RAY: JAVA only.

but with the blu-ray production companies can add HD DVD disc playing cheaper than HD DVD can add BLU-RAY playing.


as long as the player has interactive blu-ray but the loss of features from the non HD DVD IHD interactive features. as long as the disc plays people could care less. if other BLU-RAY CE companies did this it would effectivly kill HD DVD. WHY BECAUSE WE CAN PLAY HD DVD movies and BLU-RAY. and Toshiba
would have pretty much a useless player..HD DVD disc's could be made but with the loss of IHD what would be the point. for THE HD DVD promotional group to keep makeing MOVIES with IHD

reduce this bad boy to say $500.00 and other BLU-RAY hard ware company's do the same...absorb

Uh No. The major advantage to Blu-ray is harware varaity. If all HD players supported both formats, then there would be a stale mate that will go on for ever. Why, because people can get what ever format they want, while this is great for the avrage consumer it's bad for Blu-ray. All MSFT would have to do is pay WB and Fox like Paramount, and HD DVD will have a turnaround KO of Blu-ray. We can't have that, when Blu-ray is the superior format.

For noobs who don't get marketing.
HD DVD can only be played on Toshiba. Blu-ray can beplayed on Sony, Panasonic, Samsung, and Pioneer.

HD DVD It's like being limited to buying cars from one company. Say Honda.
Blu-Ray is like having the choice of Toyota, Nissan, Chevy, and Ford.
Toshiba like honda has it's fans, however the combined fans of Blu-ray's Brands are far greater.

As far as interactivity is conserned, it's nothing new, DVD has it already, average consumers are more conserned about the movie. That's why most DVD menus are very basic, and simple to navigate, when it can easly be very snazzy and complex if desired.

[jcdDigix]

Combo/Dual (Whatever you may call it) = NO
HD-DuD = NEVER EVER!
BLU-RAY & Step-up Technology from BD = YES! All the Way.
I like to think FUTURE PROOF!

[joeorc]

guy's ..your missing the point..without IHD HD DVD dies..pure and simple..no IHD HD DVD goes belly up. so what happens if no IHD no microsoft backing because the disc's can be played on blu-ray players without the need for IHD. thus forceing no need for the interactivity....

by doing this HD DVD survives as only a secondary movie format. because what have the pro HD DVD backers have been touting INTERACTIVITY.

[joeorc]

Originally Posted by takezo

Uh No. The major advantage to Blu-ray is harware varaity. If all HD players supported both formats, then there would be a stale mate that will go on for ever. Why, because people can get what ever format they want, while this is great for the avrage consumer it's bad for Blu-ray. All MSFT would have to do is pay WB and Fox like Paramount, and HD DVD will have a turnaround KO of Blu-ray. We can't have that, when Blu-ray is the superior format.

For noobs who don't get marketing.
HD DVD can only be played on Toshiba. Blu-ray can beplayed on Sony, Panasonic, Samsung, and Pioneer.

HD DVD It's like being limited to buying cars from one company. Say Honda.
Blu-Ray is like having the choice of Toyota, Nissan, Chevy, and Ford.
Toshiba like honda has it's fans, however the combined fans of Blu-ray's Brands are far greater.

As far as interactivity is conserned, it's nothing new, DVD has it already, average consumers are more conserned about the movie. That's why most DVD menus are very basic, and simple to navigate, when it can easly be very snazzy and complex if desired.

With out IHD what would be the point of supporting HD DVD. it would effectivly force HD DVD to the grave. because if you can play HD DVD disc's on a java based interactivity. why would you need IHD. that's the big point. JAVA why do you think Microsoft does not like JAVA. you do not need IHD.

The point is the HD DVD backers could put out a format with the interactivity effectivly dead. if the CE hardware production companies to make combo drives priced at below $500.00 WHAT WOULD BE THE POINT in buying a HD DVD player.

[jdc115]

Originally Posted by cueman98

To be honest, overpriced combo players are redundant. As I already have a PS3 , if i wanted to buy hd-dvd (which I don't!) i would just buy a hd-dvd player, and an hdmi switch box.

Altogether, that would cost $300. For me, it would make more sense to go as cheap as possible. Less to loose when hd-dvd goes.

But for somebody with neither, many will find a dual player a better choice. If I have a choice for 2 players that is $200 cheaper then 1 player, I will spend the $200 more for one player to remove the extra wiring and conserve space. The question for me is to spend more for a dual format player then a single Blu-ray player. Not if I am willing to spend more for a dual format player vs 2 separate players.

[Spankey]

I have to agree with the original posters comments. If Sony and other manufacturers were to release a dual player, capable of taking advantage of both formats features, HD-DVD would hang on for a bit but not for long. Sony will most likely never release movies on HD-DVD and Disney wouldn't need to.

I'm sure the HD-DVD crowd would buy a player from a company other than Toshiba. Eventually the features of Blu-ray would win out.