The Depth of Blu-ray - Blu-ray Forum

Mike Z · 10-22-2007, 12:47 AM

Hi everyone,

I recently purchased a Full 1080P 65" HDTV and a Sony Blu-ray player and I have an HDMI cable. I have everything I need and sit at a viewing distance of about 11 or 12 feet. Here's the thing though, I don't necessarily see the depth that I see on the demos at Best Buy where the picture is so clear it's almost 3-D. So I'm just looking for some opinions on the matter. I definitely see a difference between regular DVD's and the Blu-ray movies, however, the only two Blu movies I own are Superman: The Movie and Twilight Zone: The Movie, films that are 29 and 24 years old, respectively. Could that be the problem, older movies? Or is the TV size/viewing distance the problem? How do newer films look on HDTV's for those of you with large TVs like me?

Just curious. I find this forum very helpful with all things Blu-ray and I'd appreciate any advice.

Thanks,
Mike

bdrex28 · 10-22-2007, 12:48 AM

What kind of tv is it?

Also, you could try The Day after Tomorrow or Casino Royale for great PQ.

Mike Z · 10-22-2007, 12:51 AM

It's a Mitsubishi HDTV.

nhaase · 10-22-2007, 12:53 AM

Have you customized the picture settings any, or are they just still set to the factory defaults? Getting the picture so it pleases your eye best should help.

KidOmega123 · 10-22-2007, 12:56 AM

1) I assume at 65" your TV is a rear projection, no? I went with LCD when I purchased mine. I feel like they add a little more warmth and vibrancy to the picture.

2) The picture quality will very from movie to movie. Not every release is gonna have that "wow" factor so heavily sought after.

3) Those demo reals they show in-store are often of modified quality to show what's "optimum" in the televisions capability, but wont necessarily represent what you'll see when you're watching say a live feed from an HD Cable television source in your home.

Mike Z · 10-22-2007, 12:58 AM

Yeah, the picture settings are still factory set so maybe I'll play around with that.

Thanks for all the help so far

Mike

bubs · 10-22-2007, 01:32 AM

Try planet earth.

bluflu · 10-22-2007, 01:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Z

Hi everyone,

I recently purchased a Full 1080P 65" HDTV and a Sony Blu-ray player and I have an HDMI cable. I have everything I need and sit at a viewing distance of about 11 or 12 feet. Here's the thing though, I don't necessarily see the depth that I see on the demos at Best Buy where the picture is so clear it's almost 3-D. So I'm just looking for some opinions on the matter. I definitely see a difference between regular DVD's and the Blu-ray movies, however, the only two Blu movies I own are Superman: The Movie and Twilight Zone: The Movie, films that are 29 and 24 years old, respectively. Could that be the problem, older movies? Or is the TV size/viewing distance the problem? How do newer films look on HDTV's for those of you with large TVs like me?

Just curious. I find this forum very helpful with all things Blu-ray and I'd appreciate any advice.

Thanks,
Mike

Get a Blu-ray movie by Sony and use the following setup procedure.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...&postcount=207

ryoohki · 10-22-2007, 02:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Z

Hi everyone,

I recently purchased a Full 1080P 65" HDTV and a Sony Blu-ray player and I have an HDMI cable. I have everything I need and sit at a viewing distance of about 11 or 12 feet. Here's the thing though, I don't necessarily see the depth that I see on the demos at Best Buy where the picture is so clear it's almost 3-D. So I'm just looking for some opinions on the matter. I definitely see a difference between regular DVD's and the Blu-ray movies, however, the only two Blu movies I own are Superman: The Movie and Twilight Zone: The Movie, films that are 29 and 24 years old, respectively. Could that be the problem, older movies? Or is the TV size/viewing distance the problem? How do newer films look on HDTV's for those of you with large TVs like me?

Just curious. I find this forum very helpful with all things Blu-ray and I'd appreciate any advice.

Thanks,
Mike

Age play little role in this but the condition of the master is. Superman have a 'Dream Effet' added to it, it was on the DVD and his on the BluRay. While it doesn't look near anything produce in the last years, it's still better than the DVD itself. I don't know about TZ. If you want to see what HD can do , get a newer movie and not catalog title as they can only look as good as their master are.

bluskiff · 10-22-2007, 03:02 AM

All tv's/cables and players have breakin periods. Some people may disagree but I have seen it. Try leaving your gear on at night for a while put the movie on repeat and let it go.I bought a new sony sxrd about a month ago and it is still getting clearer every week.I think it has to do with the electronics heating up and cooling down as the metal breaks in there is less resistance. but this is just my opinoin.

aristotles · 10-22-2007, 03:16 AM

Both of those movies you mentioned are Warner smoothies ported over from the HD DVD versions. I'd suggest checking out some of the more recent Lionsgate or Sony releases. Crank and The Condemned are great from LGF, Casino Royale and Layer Cake great reference titles from Sony.

The two Underworld films are good too.

The Guardian · 10-22-2007, 03:18 AM

Break in is good advice, I don't know much about it for video stuff but I've heard it in speakers. Just make sure if you're going to do it that there's no watermark on whatever you leave playing so you don't get burn in.

Check out this thread on AVS: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=858316 I don't always agree with the rankings but they are fairly accurate as long as you stay on only the blu-ray thread hehe. That will give you some ideas of movies to try out (aim to have at least one in the 0-1 Tiers for showing off/testing).

Deciazulado · 10-22-2007, 04:46 AM

Mike Z, I would sit much much closer than 12 feet

Ascended_Saiyan · 10-22-2007, 05:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

Mike Z, I would sit much much closer than 12 feet

Yep. I sit at 11 ft. from my 70".

Also, is it the Mitsubishi Diamond series? They usually have slightly better contrast. If you can afford the extra $200 to $600, get it ISF calibrated.

clyon · 10-22-2007, 05:56 AM

Does the tv have a 'Detail Enhancer', could be called something else. I discovered that last night on my a2000 when watching The Patriot, I had it set off but played around with some of the settings & this made a BIG diffrence (set to Med), added a 3D pop to the movie. I can now count the individual blades of grass & see the fuzz on peoples jackets. Does not do anything to STD dvd.

I am 6.5 ft from the a2000 50"

Setting distance makes a big diffrence, I watched football today on my 30" crt @ 10ft via OTA-HD, it looked more like a good upscaled dvd then HD (1080i).

Mike Z · 10-22-2007, 05:01 PM

I appreciate all the advice. I'll take it all to heart. I love my blu-ray player and definitely see a difference in PQ over Standard DVDs. I guess I'm just looking for the "wow factor" and haven't been blown away just yet.

Mike Z

Jim L · 10-22-2007, 05:10 PM

If nothing else, use the Digital Video Essentials or AVIA DVD calibration disc.

Factory default settings are set to make a set "stand out" on the showroom floor, but can actually be way off from the intended presentation of the video portion of the program.

Too high setting on Brightness, Contrast, and Sharpness can actually rob the picture of true resolution. Also make sure that you control the light in your viewing room.

For the best picture, it's recommended to have your set calibrated by an ISF certified technician. That can cost anywhere from $300-500. But I can assure you it will make a difference.

For now, you can adjust the settings yourself. Hopefully soon we will get a DVE or AVIA Blu-ray disc that is optimized from the Blu-ray format.

10-22-2007, 12:47 AM	#1
Mike Z Senior Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Virginia Beach Blu-ray collection:204	The Depth of Blu-ray Hi everyone, I recently purchased a Full 1080P 65" HDTV and a Sony Blu-ray player and I have an HDMI cable. I have everything I need and sit at a viewing distance of about 11 or 12 feet. Here's the thing though, I don't necessarily see the depth that I see on the demos at Best Buy where the picture is so clear it's almost 3-D. So I'm just looking for some opinions on the matter. I definitely see a difference between regular DVD's and the Blu-ray movies, however, the only two Blu movies I own are Superman: The Movie and Twilight Zone: The Movie, films that are 29 and 24 years old, respectively. Could that be the problem, older movies? Or is the TV size/viewing distance the problem? How do newer films look on HDTV's for those of you with large TVs like me? Just curious. I find this forum very helpful with all things Blu-ray and I'd appreciate any advice. Thanks, Mike

10-22-2007, 03:02 AM	#10
bluskiff Expert Member Member since:Jul 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 23	breakin period All tv's/cables and players have breakin periods. Some people may disagree but I have seen it. Try leaving your gear on at night for a while put the movie on repeat and let it go.I bought a new sony sxrd about a month ago and it is still getting clearer every week.I think it has to do with the electronics heating up and cooling down as the metal breaks in there is less resistance. but this is just my opinoin.

10-22-2007, 05:01 PM	#16
Mike Z Senior Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Virginia Beach Blu-ray collection:204	Thanks! I appreciate all the advice. I'll take it all to heart. I love my blu-ray player and definitely see a difference in PQ over Standard DVDs. I guess I'm just looking for the "wow factor" and haven't been blown away just yet. Mike Z

10-22-2007, 05:10 PM	#17
Jim L Special Member Top contributor Member since:Apr 2006 Location:Myrtle Beach, SC Blu-ray reviews: 12 Trading Score:20	Change the default picture settings! If nothing else, use the Digital Video Essentials or AVIA DVD calibration disc. Factory default settings are set to make a set "stand out" on the showroom floor, but can actually be way off from the intended presentation of the video portion of the program. Too high setting on Brightness, Contrast, and Sharpness can actually rob the picture of true resolution. Also make sure that you control the light in your viewing room. For the best picture, it's recommended to have your set calibrated by an ISF certified technician. That can cost anywhere from $300-500. But I can assure you it will make a difference. For now, you can adjust the settings yourself. Hopefully soon we will get a DVE or AVIA Blu-ray disc that is optimized from the Blu-ray format.

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10-22-2007, 12:48 AM	#2
bdrex28 Senior Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Edmond, OK Blu-ray reviews:4	What kind of tv is it? Also, you could try The Day after Tomorrow or Casino Royale for great PQ.

10-22-2007, 12:51 AM	#3
Mike Z Senior Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Virginia Beach Blu-ray collection:204	It's a Mitsubishi HDTV.

10-22-2007, 12:53 AM	#4
nhaase Special Member Member since:Mar 2007 Trading Score:2	Have you customized the picture settings any, or are they just still set to the factory defaults? Getting the picture so it pleases your eye best should help.

10-22-2007, 12:56 AM	#5
KidOmega123 Active Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Kansas City, Missouri	1) I assume at 65" your TV is a rear projection, no? I went with LCD when I purchased mine. I feel like they add a little more warmth and vibrancy to the picture. 2) The picture quality will very from movie to movie. Not every release is gonna have that "wow" factor so heavily sought after. 3) Those demo reals they show in-store are often of modified quality to show what's "optimum" in the televisions capability, but wont necessarily represent what you'll see when you're watching say a live feed from an HD Cable television source in your home.

10-22-2007, 12:58 AM	#6
Mike Z Senior Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Virginia Beach Blu-ray collection:204	Yeah, the picture settings are still factory set so maybe I'll play around with that. Thanks for all the help so far Mike

10-22-2007, 01:32 AM	#7
bubs Active Member Member since:Jun 2007 Location:Montreal	Try planet earth.

10-22-2007, 03:16 AM	#11
aristotles Expert Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Canada Blu-ray collection:401 Blu-ray reviews:1	Both of those movies you mentioned are Warner smoothies ported over from the HD DVD versions. I'd suggest checking out some of the more recent Lionsgate or Sony releases. Crank and The Condemned are great from LGF, Casino Royale and Layer Cake great reference titles from Sony. The two Underworld films are good too.

10-22-2007, 03:18 AM	#12
The Guardian Expert Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Kitchener, ON Blu-ray collection:9 Trading Score:1	Break in is good advice, I don't know much about it for video stuff but I've heard it in speakers. Just make sure if you're going to do it that there's no watermark on whatever you leave playing so you don't get burn in. Check out this thread on AVS: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=858316 I don't always agree with the rankings but they are fairly accurate as long as you stay on only the blu-ray thread hehe. That will give you some ideas of movies to try out (aim to have at least one in the 0-1 Tiers for showing off/testing).

10-22-2007, 04:46 AM	#13
Deciazulado Site Manager Top contributor Member since:Aug 2006 Location:USiberia Home Theater Gallery:6 4K collection:1159 Blu-ray collection:7044 DVD collection:4040	Mike Z, I would sit much much closer than 12 feet

10-22-2007, 05:56 AM	#15
clyon Special Member Member since:Feb 2007 Location:Just left of the Alpha Quadrant 4K collection:57 Blu-ray collection:824 Blu-ray reviews:8	Does the tv have a 'Detail Enhancer', could be called something else. I discovered that last night on my a2000 when watching The Patriot, I had it set off but played around with some of the settings & this made a BIG diffrence (set to Med), added a 3D pop to the movie. I can now count the individual blades of grass & see the fuzz on peoples jackets. Does not do anything to STD dvd. I am 6.5 ft from the a2000 50" Setting distance makes a big diffrence, I watched football today on my 30" crt @ 10ft via OTA-HD, it looked more like a good upscaled dvd then HD (1080i).

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