HD-DVD Practically Being Given Away - Blu-ray Forum

E-Dogg · 10-29-2007, 12:54 PM

I don't if this is good news for HD-DVD fans or just a pathethic attempt to make some more sales, but I guess you all can decide for yourself. Again, if this was already posted I apologize.

http://www.hddvd.com/go.php/from-for...-to-price-war/

Paladin · 10-29-2007, 01:00 PM

It's cheap, but it only outputs 1080i, not 1080p.

Paladin

SS316SRV · 10-29-2007, 01:07 PM

HD DVD was giving away $300 worth of movies with the 360 Addon. HD DVD is not practically giving it away, they ARE giving way.

nhaase · 10-29-2007, 01:07 PM

Well, w/ the 360 add-on now you can get heroes on HD DVD when you buy it at best buy. When you add that and the 5-free deal together, you get paid in HD DVDs to get one, so they literally are giving that away.

Edit: Beat me to it, SS316SRV.

Go Blu · 10-29-2007, 01:09 PM

exactly and cheap people who own cheap HDTV's will buy them all up.

There is nothing against people being frugal, I'm just saying that the targeted customer here will most likely own a VISZIO or similar unit that has either 720 or 1080i anyway so it's actually perfect for them.

Anyway you cut it though its additional life support for them. And I'm not liking it.

Paladin · 10-29-2007, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SS316SRV

HD DVD was giving away $300 worth of movies with the 360 Addon. HD DVD is not practically giving it away, they ARE giving way.

Was, this sale over?

Paladin

E-Dogg · 10-29-2007, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Go Blu

exactly and cheap people who own cheap HDTV's will buy them all up.

There is nothing against people being frugal, I'm just saying that the targeted customer here will most likely own a VISZIO or similar unit that has either 720 or 1080i anyway so it's actually perfect for them.

Anyway you cut it though its additional life support for them. And I'm not liking it.

We need to pop that life preserver and let them drown in the Blu-sea.

I wonder what type of price drop we'll see on Sony products on Black Friday?

Go Blu · 10-29-2007, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by E-Dogg

We need to pop that life preserver and let them drown in the Blu-sea.

I wonder what type of price drop we'll see on Sony products on Black Friday?

I'm wondering too BUT not looking forward to fight the crowd at 3am that day if there is a great deal on a BR player. I might have to though, depending on exactly how good the deal is.

badboi · 10-29-2007, 01:27 PM

I heard a rumor that Toshiba was planning on rolling out a new slogan to use during these latest give away sales. Something along the lines of "bringing an HD-DVD player to every trailer park across the nation."

ikbradley · 10-29-2007, 01:45 PM

The one thing that gets me. Will any 1st or 2nd tier manufacture ever join Toshiba now? Toshiba has hit the sweet spot of $199 and through subsidies. No profit to be seen. Even no-name brands like Venturer will not be able to obtain much of a profit margin. It's a really weird business model.

Even if Toshiba managed to bring the war to a draw, and both formats became the norm, to do so would require that HD-DVD adopters have only purchased Toshiba. What would the incentive be for a manufacture to license from HD-DVD except for a duel format player? If duel format became the standard, the number of blu-ray adopters would dominate, simply because of the PS3 factor, and the additional licensing fees to Sony would allow a very generous offer to the remaining exclusive studios.

I just don't get what Toshiba is doing? It looks like they are subsidizing without any clear long term forecast. There is no chance with manufactures releasing an HD-DVD player, as it is unprofitable = no licensing. HD-DVD exclusive studios are said to receive production subsidies and pay no licensing for the format = no licensing money. If Toshiba is not making money off the players... where the hell are they going to get the money... DVD? HD-DVD is undercutting their DVD royalties?

bignickdawg · 10-29-2007, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Go Blu

exactly and cheap people who own cheap HDTV's will buy them all up.

There is nothing against people being frugal, I'm just saying that the targeted customer here will most likely own a VISZIO or similar unit that has either 720 or 1080i anyway so it's actually perfect for them.

Anyway you cut it though its additional life support for them. And I'm not liking it.

Are you calling me Cheap? I have a Samsung DLP 720p/1080i TV (not 1080p) I bought it 3+ years ago , and I'm not upgrading to 1080p until this TV dies, it wasn't cheap when I bought it.

I would guess a lot of people with HDTV's can only get 720p/1080i, its still a great picture. My dad(63) just bought a Viszio 1080P, price is what sold him...what's wrong with that? I only make $50K a year, I know I'm always looking for the deals too.

BTW - I would not let my dad buy a HD-DVD, told him it was already "dead" what does he know ! Just need a cheap BDplayer for the old guy

Bombthroat · 10-29-2007, 02:32 PM

They are giving it away and still can't find many takers. That should say something about their product.

This smacks of desperation on their part. Seems they are feeling the pressure of Q4 coming and know they are loosing badly. This is a last ditch effort to attract new customers before they wither on the vine.

SS316SRV · 10-29-2007, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paladin

Was, this sale over?

Paladin

I think it ended on Saturday. I don't care enough about HD DVD to know their promotions

Hussla · 10-29-2007, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by badboi

I heard a rumor that Toshiba was planning on rolling out a new slogan to use during these latest give away sales. Something along the lines of "bringing an HD-DVD player to every trailer park across the nation."

People think that THD is really an acroynm for Total Hi-Def.

It's really :

Trailerpark Hi-Def

HD-DVD, the format of choice for pornographers.

tron3 · 10-29-2007, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Go Blu

exactly and cheap people who own cheap HDTV's will buy them all up.

There is nothing against people being frugal, I'm just saying that the targeted customer here will most likely own a VIZIO or similar unit that has either 720 or 1080i anyway so it's actually perfect for them.

Anyway you cut it though its additional life support for them. And I'm not liking it.

Well, I received a 26" Vizio as a gift on 10/18 but I own blu-ray. The player is still connected to my 34" Sony and no plans on putting it on the Vizio simply because it maxes out at 720p.

What I am saying is you can't lump HD DVD supporters into a catagory based on their TV set. There are a number of members here, and their friends, who run PS3's on SD TV. 360 supporters as well.

CptGreedle · 10-29-2007, 02:38 PM

This is really just a pathetic attempt to try to make better sales than Blu-ray. Its really sad to see that they are willing to loose this kind of money just to try to keep up with us. Think of it this way, we still have better sales, and are making more money from it. If HD-DVD has to give their stuff away, they are loosing money off this to make the numbers, its a lose-lose situation for HD-DVD. If they succeed in making better sales, 1 they can't keep those numbers up, 2 they are not going to be able to keep all these free give-aways going, 3 they are not making money from this so it is hurting them. If they fail, they lost all that money from the sales, they prove that no matter what they just can't beat Blu-ray.
I am sure the BDA is looking at this closely and is planning a strategic counter-strike to these cheap low-quality players. Why anyone would want one is beyond me, but I know a lot of people that just don't know any better.

statikcat · 10-29-2007, 02:39 PM

People will not mind paying less for a cheap 1080i hd-dvd player. It grabs the attention of people who are uncertain about the HD war and do not want to invest a lot of money. Also, with a price that cheap they can always upgrade to a 1080p player in a year or two.. maybe along with their tv. Will cheap ass hd-dvd players make a difference? Who knows but don't everyone act like it isn't good to let people on lower incomes get into hd.

raginranger · 10-29-2007, 02:39 PM

I don't really get why everyone is so nervous about this. The average Wal-Mart customer has never even heard of HD-DVD. Blu-ray is a much more catchy name, and it has much more advertisements on sports shows (which is what the avg joe watches most) than hd-dvd does. That's just my opinion from what I've observed anyway. I really doubt a whole lot of people at Wal-mart will buy this player. Especially when they realize hd-dvd movies still cost like 30 bucks on average.

SS316SRV · 10-29-2007, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hussla

People think that THD is really an acroynm for Total Hi-Def.

It's really :

Trailerpark Hi-Def

HD-DVD, the format of choice for pornographers.

THD is also Total Harmonic Distortion.

stofferdk · 10-29-2007, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ikbradley

The one thing that gets me. Will any 1st or 2nd tier manufacture ever join Toshiba now? Toshiba has hit the sweet spot of $199 and through subsidies. No profit to be seen. Even no-name brands like Venturer will not be able to obtain much of a profit margin. It's a really weird business model.

Even if Toshiba managed to bring the war to a draw, and both formats became the norm, to do so would require that HD-DVD adopters have only purchased Toshiba. What would the incentive be for a manufacture to license from HD-DVD except for a duel format player? If duel format became the standard, the number of blu-ray adopters would dominate, simply because of the PS3 factor, and the additional licensing fees to Sony would allow a very generous offer to the remaining exclusive studios.

I just don't get what Toshiba is doing? It looks like they are subsidizing without any clear long term forecast. There is no chance with manufactures releasing an HD-DVD player, as it is unprofitable = no licensing. HD-DVD exclusive studios are said to receive production subsidies and pay no licensing for the format = no licensing money. If Toshiba is not making money off the players... where the hell are they going to get the money... DVD? HD-DVD is undercutting their DVD royalties?

Toshiba makes alot of thins... but I am sure the top boss looks at red-underlined HD-DVD department on the overall report.

10-29-2007, 12:54 PM	#1
E-Dogg Expert Member Member since:Jun 2007 Blu-ray collection:159	HD-DVD Practically Being Given Away I don't if this is good news for HD-DVD fans or just a pathethic attempt to make some more sales, but I guess you all can decide for yourself. Again, if this was already posted I apologize. http://www.hddvd.com/go.php/from-for...-to-price-war/

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10-29-2007, 01:00 PM	#2
Paladin Active Member Member since:Dec 2006 Blu-ray collection:11	It's cheap, but it only outputs 1080i, not 1080p. Paladin

10-29-2007, 01:07 PM	#3
SS316SRV Blu-ray Guru Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Appleton, WI Blu-ray collection:74	HD DVD was giving away $300 worth of movies with the 360 Addon. HD DVD is not practically giving it away, they ARE giving way.

10-29-2007, 01:07 PM	#4
nhaase Special Member Member since:Mar 2007 Trading Score:2	Well, w/ the 360 add-on now you can get heroes on HD DVD when you buy it at best buy. When you add that and the 5-free deal together, you get paid in HD DVDs to get one, so they literally are giving that away. Edit: Beat me to it, SS316SRV.

10-29-2007, 01:09 PM	#5
Go Blu Special Member Member since:Feb 2007	exactly and cheap people who own cheap HDTV's will buy them all up. There is nothing against people being frugal, I'm just saying that the targeted customer here will most likely own a VISZIO or similar unit that has either 720 or 1080i anyway so it's actually perfect for them. Anyway you cut it though its additional life support for them. And I'm not liking it.

10-29-2007, 01:27 PM	#9
badboi Special Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Atlanta	I heard a rumor that Toshiba was planning on rolling out a new slogan to use during these latest give away sales. Something along the lines of "bringing an HD-DVD player to every trailer park across the nation."

10-29-2007, 01:45 PM	#10
ikbradley Senior Member Member since:Aug 2007	The one thing that gets me. Will any 1st or 2nd tier manufacture ever join Toshiba now? Toshiba has hit the sweet spot of $199 and through subsidies. No profit to be seen. Even no-name brands like Venturer will not be able to obtain much of a profit margin. It's a really weird business model. Even if Toshiba managed to bring the war to a draw, and both formats became the norm, to do so would require that HD-DVD adopters have only purchased Toshiba. What would the incentive be for a manufacture to license from HD-DVD except for a duel format player? If duel format became the standard, the number of blu-ray adopters would dominate, simply because of the PS3 factor, and the additional licensing fees to Sony would allow a very generous offer to the remaining exclusive studios. I just don't get what Toshiba is doing? It looks like they are subsidizing without any clear long term forecast. There is no chance with manufactures releasing an HD-DVD player, as it is unprofitable = no licensing. HD-DVD exclusive studios are said to receive production subsidies and pay no licensing for the format = no licensing money. If Toshiba is not making money off the players... where the hell are they going to get the money... DVD? HD-DVD is undercutting their DVD royalties?

10-29-2007, 02:32 PM	#12
Bombthroat Active Member Member since:Aug 2007	They are giving it away and still can't find many takers. That should say something about their product. This smacks of desperation on their part. Seems they are feeling the pressure of Q4 coming and know they are loosing badly. This is a last ditch effort to attract new customers before they wither on the vine.

10-29-2007, 02:38 PM	#16
CptGreedle Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Sworn super-hero now services Atlanta (and suburbs). Blu-ray collection:128 Blu-ray reviews:5	This is really just a pathetic attempt to try to make better sales than Blu-ray. Its really sad to see that they are willing to loose this kind of money just to try to keep up with us. Think of it this way, we still have better sales, and are making more money from it. If HD-DVD has to give their stuff away, they are loosing money off this to make the numbers, its a lose-lose situation for HD-DVD. If they succeed in making better sales, 1 they can't keep those numbers up, 2 they are not going to be able to keep all these free give-aways going, 3 they are not making money from this so it is hurting them. If they fail, they lost all that money from the sales, they prove that no matter what they just can't beat Blu-ray. I am sure the BDA is looking at this closely and is planning a strategic counter-strike to these cheap low-quality players. Why anyone would want one is beyond me, but I know a lot of people that just don't know any better.

10-29-2007, 02:39 PM	#17
statikcat Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Washington, DC Blu-ray collection:67	People will not mind paying less for a cheap 1080i hd-dvd player. It grabs the attention of people who are uncertain about the HD war and do not want to invest a lot of money. Also, with a price that cheap they can always upgrade to a 1080p player in a year or two.. maybe along with their tv. Will cheap ass hd-dvd players make a difference? Who knows but don't everyone act like it isn't good to let people on lower incomes get into hd.

10-29-2007, 02:39 PM	#18
raginranger Senior Member Member since:Jul 2007 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:5	I don't really get why everyone is so nervous about this. The average Wal-Mart customer has never even heard of HD-DVD. Blu-ray is a much more catchy name, and it has much more advertisements on sports shows (which is what the avg joe watches most) than hd-dvd does. That's just my opinion from what I've observed anyway. I really doubt a whole lot of people at Wal-mart will buy this player. Especially when they realize hd-dvd movies still cost like 30 bucks on average.

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