Playful.com practically declares format war over. - Blu-ray Forum

AlexKx · 01-05-2007, 05:27 PM

I REALLY don't get how anyone could choose H.D.-D.V.D. over Blu-Ray under ANY circumstances unless they have just been lied to over and over. Here is www.playfuls.com basically declaring an end to the format war with H.D.-D.V.D. winning because they were out first and cost less and now this dual player thing is the trump card for them. It's like NOTHING is going for Blu-Ray but how can that even be when it is the SUPERIOR format?! For God sakes the whole reason I am really interested in an upgrade ANWAY is that Blu-Ray would hold more film on it BY FAR! Otherwise why the hell else go for an upgrade?! That's what's driving me NUTS!! It's like those who are hard to convince an upgrade at all ARE right if H.D.-D.V.D. wins...what's the point?!

AlexKx · 01-05-2007, 05:33 PM

Actually this is the web address...
http://www.playfuls.com/news_05707_D...HD_Player.html
It came from the news section on the www.Google.com webpage. I did not know how to find the article otherwise.

phranctoast · 01-05-2007, 06:12 PM

I find it comical that anyone can really believe HD DVD will win the format war. Most people arent stupid. When they see that 95% of the movies they want to watch are on Blu ray they will buy that. Blu ray should make the stand alone players comparable in price though.
If i had any say in the BDA id make sure they never used VC-1 however. I would not want to give a dime to MS just because they fealt the need to muddy up the waters because they released an inferior product.

iceman · 01-05-2007, 08:00 PM

Look how they repeatedly spell Blu-ray, "Blu Ray", pretty much says it all.

dobyblue · 01-05-2007, 09:01 PM

It's incredible how ignorant some online sites can be.

Knight-Errant · 01-05-2007, 09:04 PM

I really believe someone is paying for these sites to spill BS "reports" of the format war.

I mean its just NOT reality

JTK · 01-05-2007, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knight-Errant

I really believe someone is paying for these sites to spill BS "reports" of the format war.

I mean its just NOT reality

Gee, I wonder who that "someone" could be?

AlexKx · 01-05-2007, 09:22 PM

I have read YET another article...this one
http://www.newsfactor.com/news/DVD-F...d=0110014KRW0I
where the first line is WRONG! Therefore the rest of it is too. This is NOT just an issue of improved audio and visual quality! It is because Blu-Ray can hold LOADS more than H.D.-D.V.D. At this point I have come to the conclusion that these articles will be the downfall of Blu-Ray because one they are wrong and do not acknowledge why I said it is better than H.D.-D.V.D. (and let me make this VERY clear there are VERY few articles that have pointed out my point how Blu-Ray is better and those that have just go on to claim how that isn't what people are interested in) and two because Sony or whoever would like to sell Blu-Ray products in NO WAY from what I can tell force these people to let their reader's know that they were either wrong or at least in some way or form tell them of what the facts really are. That's all I can say. All I see in reality are the masses (the public throughout the world) just follow along blindly with anything. In every aspect of life. I am so sick of it. Whatever the facts are if you can't convince the public of them or at least educate them as to what they are...then you loose. Simple as that.

thunderhawk · 01-05-2007, 10:31 PM

This is not about stupid people, this is about bad advertisement. The people should know how to spell Blu-ray by now.

Most of those sites look at how much of the internet community supports BD and how much BD. If you see all the FUD and fanboying... People don't see further then that, when you're not really involved or actually getting to the bottom of this...
It's all about PR when it comes to the spreading of information! And imo the BDA is shortcoming when compared to the HDDVDPRG, BD should've had a larger user base if you just look at the enormous list of supporting companies...

AlexKx · 01-06-2007, 12:50 AM

So where do you think it will go from here Thunderhawk?
And what do you mean that "Blu-Ray is only the beginning"?

dantruon · 01-06-2007, 02:06 AM

The format war as I can see it right now will ultimately decided by the sales of the Playstation 3, if the PS3 sells as much as the ps2 ( it will once production issues are sought out and the damm thing get release in PAL territory.) then this will put alot of pressure on movies studios such as Universal who only release movies in HDDVD to also release their movies on Blu-ray since if they dont they will loose a potential market of 100 millions if not more by the end of the console cylce. Thus, the format war was always decided by the ps3's success or in that case failure.

pretender2j · 01-06-2007, 03:26 AM

One thing that annoys me more than anything is people who are supposed to know what they are talking about (playfuls.com is meant to be a Gaming\Science\Technology news website) and yet they employ reporters who think just cause they spend some time reading about a topic they know everthing there is to know about said topic.

- "Game industry insiders have criticized since the beginning Sony’s stubbornness to include the Blu Ray drive in PS3, thus increasing the overall price of the console to $600. By comparison, Microsoft offers customers the option of adding an HD DVD external drive to the Xbox 360, for only $200, making the device the cheapest HD DVD player on the market."

It's a joke that people keep bringing up the $200 HD-DVD player that you can get in(for) the XBOX 360. Sure over 9.5 million people have an XBOX 360 and those people can go out and get a $200 HD-DVD player. For the rest of us who don't have one it's still a 'normal' price $500-600 HD-DVD player.

JB

GaS · 01-06-2007, 03:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pretender2j

One thing that annoys me more than anything is people who are supposed to know what they are talking about (playfuls.com is meant to be a Gaming\Science\Technology news website) and yet they employ reporters who think just cause they spend some time reading about a topic they know everthing there is to know about said topic.

- "Game industry insiders have criticized since the beginning Sony’s stubbornness to include the Blu Ray drive in PS3, thus increasing the overall price of the console to $600. By comparison, Microsoft offers customers the option of adding an HD DVD external drive to the Xbox 360, for only $200, making the device the cheapest HD DVD player on the market."

It's a joke that people keep bringing up the $200 HD-DVD player that you can get in(for) the XBOX 360. Sure over 9.5 million people have an XBOX 360 and those people can go out and get a $200 HD-DVD player. For the rest of us who don't have one it's still a 'normal' price $500-600 HD-DVD player.

JB

Yeah, the cheapest hd-dvd device on the market with no hdmi, no TrueHD, no DTS-MA, no lossless pcm. Not much of a bargain if you ask me.

jorg · 01-06-2007, 04:53 AM

don't forget you need a 360 to even using it bring total realy cost to 600$ at elst
399 or 400 for core 360 seystem
199 or 200 for add on

nobody · 01-06-2007, 07:28 AM

i've been to Best Buy and there ain't any real big difference in price between Hd-dvd and Blu-Ray. If you find Hd-Dvd for cheap on eBay or something like that...it must be because the seller just want to get rid of it at any cost. The PS3 blows away the the competition in every aspect. Variety of games are scarce because it's a new console, there still in development. I own a PS3 and I like it alot! I used to own the original xBox and I like it too. But the specs are just off the hook!

kefer · 01-06-2007, 04:05 PM

I don't believe anyone knows what will win yet. The assumption that blu-ray will win simply because it is the SUPERIOR format is wrong. Beta was clearly superior to VHS, but so-what? Sony screwed up with that format (and a few others along the way), and they lost the format war even though they had the superior technology.

That said, I actually believe they will probably win this one. Yes HD-DVD has been out longer and is cheaper, but the fact is they are both expensive and relatively few units have sold in either format. So blu-ray isn't really that far behind - and as both technologies get cheaper and more popular, blu-ray will probably win out due to it's superior technology and studio support.

Deciazulado · 01-06-2007, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kefer

Beta was clearly superior to VHS, but so-what? Sony screwed up with that format (and a few others along the way), and they lost the format war even though they had the superior technology.

That's actually a myth. As I and others have said who were there, Beta I (one hour tape format) was superior but you couldnt fit a movie on it. By the time you had Beta AND Super Beta (remember that?) at tape speeds where you could fit movies on them and with Hi Fi stereo sound, VHS/VHS Hi Fi was about equal or better and Super-VHS trounced it. I think the difference between them was about 5% on spec, (like the difference between a 20" TV and a 21" TV) which would be wiped out by variances of VCR unit tolerances.

kefer · 01-06-2007, 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

That's actually a myth.

I was there too, and I owned both formats (as a matter of fact, I STILL have a functioning Beta player!). I agree the difference was not huge, but Beta was noticeably better to my eye. I also remember that most semi-professional video cameras in the mid to late 70's were Beta, not VHS. But ultimately it didn't matter - Sony lost the format war not based on their technology, but on their marketing, which was the point I was trying to make.

Deciazulado · 01-06-2007, 10:47 PM

ok

Out of curiosity, if you record something now (a DVD will do fine) in your Beta deck in Beta II (is it a Hi Fi one? Has to be for the test) and you record the DVD in VHS SP, how do they compare?

Edit: oh I just reread and you say you have a player.

well so far for the test. never mind

01-05-2007, 05:27 PM	#1
AlexKx Active Member Member since:Jan 2005	Playful.com practically declares format war over. I REALLY don't get how anyone could choose H.D.-D.V.D. over Blu-Ray under ANY circumstances unless they have just been lied to over and over. Here is www.playfuls.com basically declaring an end to the format war with H.D.-D.V.D. winning because they were out first and cost less and now this dual player thing is the trump card for them. It's like NOTHING is going for Blu-Ray but how can that even be when it is the SUPERIOR format?! For God sakes the whole reason I am really interested in an upgrade ANWAY is that Blu-Ray would hold more film on it BY FAR! Otherwise why the hell else go for an upgrade?! That's what's driving me NUTS!! It's like those who are hard to convince an upgrade at all ARE right if H.D.-D.V.D. wins...what's the point?! Last edited by AlexKx; 01-05-2007 at 05:28 PM. Reason: Title address needs changing too but I can't for some reason!

01-05-2007, 05:33 PM	#2
AlexKx Active Member Member since:Jan 2005	Here is the actual web addres... Actually this is the web address... http://www.playfuls.com/news_05707_D...HD_Player.html It came from the news section on the www.Google.com webpage. I did not know how to find the article otherwise.

01-05-2007, 09:22 PM	#8
AlexKx Active Member Member since:Jan 2005	I have read YET another article...this one http://www.newsfactor.com/news/DVD-F...d=0110014KRW0I where the first line is WRONG! Therefore the rest of it is too. This is NOT just an issue of improved audio and visual quality! It is because Blu-Ray can hold LOADS more than H.D.-D.V.D. At this point I have come to the conclusion that these articles will be the downfall of Blu-Ray because one they are wrong and do not acknowledge why I said it is better than H.D.-D.V.D. (and let me make this VERY clear there are VERY few articles that have pointed out my point how Blu-Ray is better and those that have just go on to claim how that isn't what people are interested in) and two because Sony or whoever would like to sell Blu-Ray products in NO WAY from what I can tell force these people to let their reader's know that they were either wrong or at least in some way or form tell them of what the facts really are. That's all I can say. All I see in reality are the masses (the public throughout the world) just follow along blindly with anything. In every aspect of life. I am so sick of it. Whatever the facts are if you can't convince the public of them or at least educate them as to what they are...then you loose. Simple as that. Last edited by AlexKx; 01-05-2007 at 09:25 PM.

01-06-2007, 10:47 PM	#19
Deciazulado Site Manager Top contributor Member since:Aug 2006 Location:USiberia Home Theater Gallery:6 4K collection:1159 Blu-ray collection:7041 DVD collection:4040	ok Out of curiosity, if you record something now (a DVD will do fine) in your Beta deck in Beta II (is it a Hi Fi one? Has to be for the test) and you record the DVD in VHS SP, how do they compare? Edit: oh I just reread and you say you have a player. well so far for the test. never mind Last edited by Deciazulado; 01-06-2007 at 10:50 PM.

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phranctoast Power Member Member since:Aug 2006 Location:Long Island, NY;psn:phranctoast Blu-ray collection:78	I find it comical that anyone can really believe HD DVD will win the format war. Most people arent stupid. When they see that 95% of the movies they want to watch are on Blu ray they will buy that. Blu ray should make the stand alone players comparable in price though. If i had any say in the BDA id make sure they never used VC-1 however. I would not want to give a dime to MS just because they fealt the need to muddy up the waters because they released an inferior product.

01-05-2007, 08:00 PM	#4
iceman Developer Top contributor Member since:May 2003 Home Theater Gallery:13 4K collection:27 Blu-ray collection:121 DVD collection:26 MA collection:1 Digital collection:6 iTunes collection:10 iTunes music:2 Prime collection:3 Trading Score:1	Look how they repeatedly spell Blu-ray, "Blu Ray", pretty much says it all.

01-05-2007, 09:01 PM	#5
dobyblue Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Jul 2006 Location:Ontario, Canada Home Theater Gallery:71 4K collection:55 Blu-ray collection:655 Blu-ray reviews: 15	It's incredible how ignorant some online sites can be.

01-05-2007, 09:04 PM	#6
Knight-Errant Power Member Member since:Aug 2005 Location:Sheffield, UK	I really believe someone is paying for these sites to spill BS "reports" of the format war. I mean its just NOT reality

01-05-2007, 10:31 PM	#9
thunderhawk Moderator Member since:Jul 2004 Location:Belgium	This is not about stupid people, this is about bad advertisement. The people should know how to spell Blu-ray by now. Most of those sites look at how much of the internet community supports BD and how much BD. If you see all the FUD and fanboying... People don't see further then that, when you're not really involved or actually getting to the bottom of this... It's all about PR when it comes to the spreading of information! And imo the BDA is shortcoming when compared to the HDDVDPRG, BD should've had a larger user base if you just look at the enormous list of supporting companies...

01-06-2007, 12:50 AM	#10
AlexKx Active Member Member since:Jan 2005	So where do you think it will go from here Thunderhawk? And what do you mean that "Blu-Ray is only the beginning"?

01-06-2007, 02:06 AM	#11
dantruon Junior Member Member since:Nov 2006	The format war as I can see it right now will ultimately decided by the sales of the Playstation 3, if the PS3 sells as much as the ps2 ( it will once production issues are sought out and the damm thing get release in PAL territory.) then this will put alot of pressure on movies studios such as Universal who only release movies in HDDVD to also release their movies on Blu-ray since if they dont they will loose a potential market of 100 millions if not more by the end of the console cylce. Thus, the format war was always decided by the ps3's success or in that case failure.

01-06-2007, 03:26 AM	#12
pretender2j Member Member since:Nov 2006	One thing that annoys me more than anything is people who are supposed to know what they are talking about (playfuls.com is meant to be a Gaming\Science\Technology news website) and yet they employ reporters who think just cause they spend some time reading about a topic they know everthing there is to know about said topic. - "Game industry insiders have criticized since the beginning Sony’s stubbornness to include the Blu Ray drive in PS3, thus increasing the overall price of the console to $600. By comparison, Microsoft offers customers the option of adding an HD DVD external drive to the Xbox 360, for only $200, making the device the cheapest HD DVD player on the market." It's a joke that people keep bringing up the $200 HD-DVD player that you can get in(for) the XBOX 360. Sure over 9.5 million people have an XBOX 360 and those people can go out and get a $200 HD-DVD player. For the rest of us who don't have one it's still a 'normal' price $500-600 HD-DVD player. JB

01-06-2007, 04:53 AM	#14
jorg Power Member Member since:Dec 2006 Location:Ontario, Canada Home Theater Gallery:2	don't forget you need a 360 to even using it bring total realy cost to 600$ at elst 399 or 400 for core 360 seystem 199 or 200 for add on

01-06-2007, 07:28 AM	#15
nobody Active Member Member since:Jan 2007	i've been to Best Buy and there ain't any real big difference in price between Hd-dvd and Blu-Ray. If you find Hd-Dvd for cheap on eBay or something like that...it must be because the seller just want to get rid of it at any cost. The PS3 blows away the the competition in every aspect. Variety of games are scarce because it's a new console, there still in development. I own a PS3 and I like it alot! I used to own the original xBox and I like it too. But the specs are just off the hook!

01-06-2007, 04:05 PM	#16
kefer Junior Member Member since:Dec 2006	I don't believe anyone knows what will win yet. The assumption that blu-ray will win simply because it is the SUPERIOR format is wrong. Beta was clearly superior to VHS, but so-what? Sony screwed up with that format (and a few others along the way), and they lost the format war even though they had the superior technology. That said, I actually believe they will probably win this one. Yes HD-DVD has been out longer and is cheaper, but the fact is they are both expensive and relatively few units have sold in either format. So blu-ray isn't really that far behind - and as both technologies get cheaper and more popular, blu-ray will probably win out due to it's superior technology and studio support.

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