Are Blu-ray fans more honest? Sites that claim to be neutral usually HD DVD biased... - Blu-ray Forum

mov9384ie · 11-18-2007, 07:26 AM

ever been to dvdtalk.com?

they claim to be neutral but it's pretty obvious everyone on there is biased towards hd-dvd.

say anything positive about blu-ray and there will ALWAYS be someone who will try to have the last word against blu-ray no matter how irrelevant the counter point is. say anything positive about hd-dvd and a handful of people will respond saying they agree.

people here prefer blu-ray but that's clear from the start, just look at the website's name. i think it's a bit more underhanded for websites that are pro-hddvd to claim they're neutral.

MOONPHASE · 11-18-2007, 07:32 AM

yup thats all true and Blu-Ray fans are mostly honest people who give you facts about things you would need to know, etc. Hd-Dvd fans they act more like little children and they come on here saying that Hd-Dvd is better but do you see Blu-Ray fans doing that in the Hd-Dvd forums? nope. We do not lie to people who want to get into Blu-Ray or well anyone when it comes to dicussions about Blu-Ray

Beta-guy · 11-18-2007, 07:45 AM

I would say we are more honest, look at the FUD levels spread on both sides, which one has fans using FUD and mis-information more frequently? that said,I'll go one more step of honesty and say look at the name of this site, we'll probably say we're more honest just as if you go to a pro-hd-dvd forum, you'd hear how they are more honest

but seriously in all honesty I do firmly believe we know what we're talking about, we aren't ashamed of our format, we don't need to make excuses for our format. I think that is signifigant reasons as to why we are more honest.

Swede · 11-18-2007, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Beta-guy

we don't need to make excuses for our format. I think that is signifigant reasons as to why we are more honest.

Exactly, how can you be honest when you constantly have to make up excuses for your format, like stuff that "doesn't matter", say capacity, bandwidth, movie studio & CE support... When what they really want to say is "damn it I just got it 'cause it was DIRT CHEAP", but they can't say that, since it would make their format look bad...

w_tanoto · 11-18-2007, 07:58 AM

just like hidefdigest and avs. claimed to be neutral, but biased towards HD DVD

docjan_uk · 11-18-2007, 07:59 AM

Well, there's a format war raging and the side with a somewhat poorer showing requires more spin in order to ensure it's survival. If they simply accepted sales ratios without adding attach rates sans & avec PS3's depending on what suited them, or without other caveats then that would simply mean admitting defeat.
Nothing new about this, it's probably been happening throughout human history.

toocheezy · 11-18-2007, 08:34 AM

I really think the Blu fans are more honest. If you were to analyze the topics on this website and compare them to the ones on AVS, you will really see that the people on here really tell you like it is without cutting corners. We have a pretty smart bunch of people that really know the Blu-Ray product. So I would have to say YES. We are more honest.

MOONPHASE · 11-18-2007, 10:05 AM

just look at those Hd-Dvd fanboys giving bad reviews on Blu-Ray movies on Amazon even though they probably didnt even watch it

GregBlu5 · 11-18-2007, 11:26 AM

Even the great Roman Emperor/stoic philospher Marcus Aurelius said it most succinctly:

"If it's not true, don't say it; if it's not right, don't do it."

Words I try to live by. If only the other side would try that, too.

-Greg

JackStraw · 11-18-2007, 12:12 PM

One thing that gets me about the HD DVD camp is the obscene level of obnoxiousness. It was more than enough to turn my buddy off of the format and look at blu ray. The lies are bad enough, the obnoxiousness is absolutely sickening.

Worse is that it's not like they have a lot to be obnoxious about.

Seabass · 11-18-2007, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JackStraw

One thing that gets me about the HD DVD camp is the obscene level of obnoxiousness. It was more than enough to turn my buddy off of the format and look at blu ray. The lies are bad enough, the obnoxiousness is absolutely sickening.

Worse is that it's not like they have a lot to be obnoxious about.

The fact that some HD-DVD proponents drop a lot money (Or have a vested finacial interest if HD-DVD does well) in their chosen format and find themselves losing would create a lot of obnoxious, desperate, loud posters at various forums.

Irritating to say the least since I have been caught up in "fanboyism" and not reason by letting these posters get under my skin.

Squeaky wheels get greased and posters who pay (Coght, avs, cough, cough) usually have the upper hand. My only hope is that Studios see the light soon and realize all must back one format in order to gain on DVD.

One thing I would hate is both formats die and have to download HDM material. I want the product in my hand, not downloaded to a file on my hard drive and have to go through a time consuming process in order to burn (Which most likely be illegal) a store bought blank HDM disk.

buckshot · 11-18-2007, 01:23 PM

I think that we here are pretty honest. when someone spouts bullshit we call them on it and correct them. BD supporters have relied on common sense and a superior product, hd dvd has relied on people like amir at avs, treadstone at hdd.com and other fud spouting personalities.

Bluray4Me · 11-18-2007, 02:49 PM

Everyone thought HighDefDigest.com was HD DVD biased too until Peter Bracke's recent 5 star reviews of Cars and Rat. When those reviews came out all that bias chatter here died. Some of you guys over analyze too much.

reiella · 11-18-2007, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluray4Me

Everyone thought HighDefDigest.com was HD DVD biased too until Peter Bracke's recent 5 star reviews of Cars and Rat. When those reviews came out all that bias chatter here died. Some of you guys over analyze too much.

Nah the bias comments remain, along with fun jokes.

It's just a matter of people tending ot overlook those who speak falsely or inaccurately in regards to the format of their choice, and conversely fixating on those who speak inaccurately for the other.

It's the internet and all

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Beta-guy · 11-18-2007, 03:57 PM

here's a great example of HD-DVD Vs. BD https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...31&postcount=9

I won't say anything else except look at his signature as well, I'll let you decide if he's being honest with everyone there

tru2blu707 · 11-18-2007, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Beta-guy

here's a great example of HD-DVD Vs. BD https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...31&postcount=9

I won't say anything else except lok at his signature as well, I'll let you decide if he's being honest with everyone there

recently there has been A LOT of people on the other side of the fence coming to blu ray.com spreading FUD.... i wonder why that is...

Deane Johnson · 11-18-2007, 04:05 PM

I think the Blu-ray supporters are simply more confident in the product and the future. There is no reason to get all tense when you have the winning hand.

WickyWoo · 11-18-2007, 04:08 PM

I think it's far more of the case that there's people out there with agendas that are served better by them pretending to be neutral than by taking a partisan stance

Deane Johnson · 11-18-2007, 04:25 PM

When I looked at Studio Support's posts, I have to wonder what part of the industry he works in. There is so much in them that doesn't seem to reflect reality as we know it.

I don't want to take off on anything specific, as it's not fair to challenge someone while they are banned and can't defend their position.

Beta-guy · 11-18-2007, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Deane Johnson

When I looked at Studio Support's posts, I have to wonder what part of the industry he works in. There is so much in them that doesn't seem to reflect reality as we know it.

I don't want to take off on anything specific, as it's not fair to challenge someone while they are banned and can't defend their position.

PM him, he'll be unsuspended soon.

11-18-2007, 07:26 AM	#1
mov9384ie Member Member since:Nov 2007	Are Blu-ray fans more honest? Sites that claim to be neutral usually HD DVD biased... ever been to dvdtalk.com? they claim to be neutral but it's pretty obvious everyone on there is biased towards hd-dvd. say anything positive about blu-ray and there will ALWAYS be someone who will try to have the last word against blu-ray no matter how irrelevant the counter point is. say anything positive about hd-dvd and a handful of people will respond saying they agree. people here prefer blu-ray but that's clear from the start, just look at the website's name. i think it's a bit more underhanded for websites that are pro-hddvd to claim they're neutral. Last edited by mov9384ie; 11-18-2007 at 07:28 AM.

11-18-2007, 07:45 AM	#3
Beta-guy Expert Member Member since:Jul 2007 Blu-ray collection:23 Blu-ray reviews:1	I would say we are more honest, look at the FUD levels spread on both sides, which one has fans using FUD and mis-information more frequently? that said,I'll go one more step of honesty and say look at the name of this site, we'll probably say we're more honest just as if you go to a pro-hd-dvd forum, you'd hear how they are more honest but seriously in all honesty I do firmly believe we know what we're talking about, we aren't ashamed of our format, we don't need to make excuses for our format. I think that is signifigant reasons as to why we are more honest. Last edited by Beta-guy; 11-18-2007 at 07:50 AM.

11-18-2007, 03:57 PM	#15
Beta-guy Expert Member Member since:Jul 2007 Blu-ray collection:23 Blu-ray reviews:1	here's a great example of HD-DVD Vs. BD https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...31&postcount=9 I won't say anything else except look at his signature as well, I'll let you decide if he's being honest with everyone there Last edited by Beta-guy; 11-18-2007 at 04:05 PM.

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11-18-2007, 07:32 AM	#2
MOONPHASE Blu-ray Duke Top contributor Member since:Jun 2007 Location:California 4K collection:8 Blu-ray collection:520 DVD collection:820 Blu-ray reviews:18 Trading Score:29	yup thats all true and Blu-Ray fans are mostly honest people who give you facts about things you would need to know, etc. Hd-Dvd fans they act more like little children and they come on here saying that Hd-Dvd is better but do you see Blu-Ray fans doing that in the Hd-Dvd forums? nope. We do not lie to people who want to get into Blu-Ray or well anyone when it comes to dicussions about Blu-Ray

11-18-2007, 07:58 AM	#5
w_tanoto Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Hatfield, UK / Jakarta, Indonesia Blu-ray collection:37 Blu-ray reviews:47	just like hidefdigest and avs. claimed to be neutral, but biased towards HD DVD

11-18-2007, 07:59 AM	#6
docjan_uk Active Member Member since:Jun 2007 Blu-ray reviews:5	Well, there's a format war raging and the side with a somewhat poorer showing requires more spin in order to ensure it's survival. If they simply accepted sales ratios without adding attach rates sans & avec PS3's depending on what suited them, or without other caveats then that would simply mean admitting defeat. Nothing new about this, it's probably been happening throughout human history.

11-18-2007, 08:34 AM	#7
toocheezy Active Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Honolulu, HI Blu-ray collection:138 Blu-ray reviews:12	I really think the Blu fans are more honest. If you were to analyze the topics on this website and compare them to the ones on AVS, you will really see that the people on here really tell you like it is without cutting corners. We have a pretty smart bunch of people that really know the Blu-Ray product. So I would have to say YES. We are more honest.

11-18-2007, 10:05 AM	#8
MOONPHASE Blu-ray Duke Top contributor Member since:Jun 2007 Location:California 4K collection:8 Blu-ray collection:520 DVD collection:820 Blu-ray reviews:18 Trading Score:29	just look at those Hd-Dvd fanboys giving bad reviews on Blu-Ray movies on Amazon even though they probably didnt even watch it

11-18-2007, 11:26 AM	#9
GregBlu5 Power Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Indio, CA 4K collection:794 Blu-ray collection:3954 iTunes collection:2 Blu-ray reviews:1	Even the great Roman Emperor/stoic philospher Marcus Aurelius said it most succinctly: "If it's not true, don't say it; if it's not right, don't do it." Words I try to live by. If only the other side would try that, too. -Greg

11-18-2007, 12:12 PM	#10
JackStraw Senior Member Member since:Nov 2007	One thing that gets me about the HD DVD camp is the obscene level of obnoxiousness. It was more than enough to turn my buddy off of the format and look at blu ray. The lies are bad enough, the obnoxiousness is absolutely sickening. Worse is that it's not like they have a lot to be obnoxious about.

11-18-2007, 01:23 PM	#12
buckshot Blu-ray Guru Member since:Feb 2007 Location:san die ego Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:9	I think that we here are pretty honest. when someone spouts bullshit we call them on it and correct them. BD supporters have relied on common sense and a superior product, hd dvd has relied on people like amir at avs, treadstone at hdd.com and other fud spouting personalities.

11-18-2007, 02:49 PM	#13
Bluray4Me Member Member since:Oct 2007	Everyone thought HighDefDigest.com was HD DVD biased too until Peter Bracke's recent 5 star reviews of Cars and Rat. When those reviews came out all that bias chatter here died. Some of you guys over analyze too much.

11-18-2007, 04:05 PM	#17
Deane Johnson Active Member Member since:Nov 2006 Location:Omaha, NE	I think the Blu-ray supporters are simply more confident in the product and the future. There is no reason to get all tense when you have the winning hand.

11-18-2007, 04:08 PM	#18
WickyWoo Blu-ray Champion Member since:May 2007 Trading Score:2	I think it's far more of the case that there's people out there with agendas that are served better by them pretending to be neutral than by taking a partisan stance

11-18-2007, 04:25 PM	#19
Deane Johnson Active Member Member since:Nov 2006 Location:Omaha, NE	When I looked at Studio Support's posts, I have to wonder what part of the industry he works in. There is so much in them that doesn't seem to reflect reality as we know it. I don't want to take off on anything specific, as it's not fair to challenge someone while they are banned and can't defend their position.

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