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kemcha · 12-17-2016, 08:21 PM

All in the Family, The Jeffersons and More getting soft reboots

When I read about this, I absolutely could not believe it. All in the Family and The Jeffersons may be getting a soft reboot, according to talks between Norman Lear and Sony Pictures. While these would be soft reboots of six episodes per series, the word is that these would re-enact episodes of the respective shows.

http://tvline.com/2016/12/17/all-in-...he-jeffersons/

The only problem is that these shows would not work as rebooted shows because of the subject matter that surrounded these shows. All in the Family and The Jefferson focused mostly on racism and bigotry. I'm willing to bet that Sony will cast these with a Latino cast.

hagios · 12-17-2016, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by kemcha

All in the Family, The Jeffersons and More getting soft reboots

When I read about this, I absolutely could not believe it. All in the Family and The Jeffersons may be getting a soft reboot, according to talks between Norman Lear and Sony Pictures. While these would be soft reboots of six episodes per series, the word is that these would re-enact episodes of the respective shows.

http://tvline.com/2016/12/17/all-in-...he-jeffersons/

The only problem is that these shows would not work as rebooted shows because of the subject matter that surrounded these shows. All in the Family and The Jefferson focused mostly on racism and bigotry. I'm willing to bet that Sony will cast these with a Latino cast.

I'm so glad that I own the politically incorrect DVDs of these fantastic shows...All in the Family - The Jeffersons - Dukes of Hazzard, etc.!

GrouchoFan · 12-17-2016, 08:52 PM

Only a meathead or a dingbat would think this is a good idea.

kemcha · 12-17-2016, 09:28 PM

Exactly. From the way the article reads, they want to remake certain episodes of these shows. My first question is why? My second question is 'who thought this was a great idea"?

Why remake episodes of a classic TV series, just commence with a series reboot if you're going to bother. This has got to be the worst idea ever. These episodes have already been done. Why remake classic episodes?

Hopefully, these ideas will never get past the approval stage.

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Originally Posted by GrouchoFan

Only a meathead or a dingbat would think this is a good idea.

ElectricPeterTork · 12-17-2016, 09:34 PM

If they're going to be shooting the old scripts with different actors, why not just show the old episodes?

It's cheaper all around.

And if they're going to change things to reflect modern sensibilities, why not just create a new show?

This option they're going with will please literally no one... unless it gets Archie Bunker's Place finally released on DVD. Then I'll be pleased. But the new show will still probably suck.

Giant Machine · 12-17-2016, 10:21 PM

When Hollywood runs out of ideas, they remake classics.

kemcha · 12-18-2016, 01:40 AM

But, quite often, those remakes fall flat on their proverbial faces, 98% of the time.

bigjim25 · 12-18-2016, 01:52 AM

If they're going to do this, just do a reboot of The Rerun Show already!

Zivouhr · 12-21-2016, 06:05 AM

Antenna TV, a national free broadcast TV channel, shows unedited versions of the Jeffersons and All in the Family each week with the cursing still intact. Tonight, George Jefferson swore at his guest to leave after the wife insulted Mrs. Louise Jefferson and Florence.
All in the Family, Sanford and Son, I've seen episodes that don't hold anything back this year on that channel, same with Good Times, and it's surprising none of it's edited, which I'm glad to see.

A reboot of sorts? I can't imagine if they'll be able to pull it off.

mrrant_33 · 12-21-2016, 08:30 AM

A "soft" reboot? Makes sense seeing how most of Hollywood creative types are soft in the head.

kemcha · 12-21-2016, 12:54 PM

I think this is a cynical attempt by Sony to write those racist and politically incorrect scenes and dialogue out of these shows. Sony is probably expecting these soft reboots to be a hit so they can reboot those old shows and discontinue releasing All in the Family and The Jeffersons on home video.

Thing is, All in the Family and The Jeffersons represent a part of our culture that we shouldn't forget. they represent opposite sides of the same coin and focused on racial prejudice as it existed at that time. Carroll O'Connor, who portrayed Archie Bunker wasn't racist or bigoted either. The character was based on Norman Lears own father. O'Connor played the character that way because he was always one of those great actors.

Sony is just trying to make a cynical attempt to retcon those old television shows. Personally, I think it's going to backfire. It's like trying to do the same thing with Sanford and Son. Those shows just don't work for modern television, if studios think rebooting those old shows will work. They worked back then because of the ridiculousness or racism and they turned racism into one big joke.

ElectricPeterTork · 12-21-2016, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Zivouhr

Antenna TV, a national free broadcast TV channel, shows unedited versions of the Jeffersons and All in the Family each week with the cursing still intact. Tonight, George Jefferson swore at his guest to leave after the wife insulted Mrs. Louise Jefferson and Florence.
All in the Family, Sanford and Son, I've seen episodes that don't hold anything back this year on that channel, same with Good Times, and it's surprising none of it's edited, which I'm glad to see.

A reboot of sorts? I can't imagine if they'll be able to pull it off.

They're not unedited. They're uncensored.

Unedited would mean they ran the correct 25+ minutes they did on original broadcast, which the Antenna TV versions almost certainly do not.

Also, Sony discontinued releasing AITF and The Jeffersons on DVD over a decade ago. Shout Factory licensed them to complete them.

ChiefSequatchie · 12-22-2016, 09:05 PM

Their is no actor in Hollywood that could come close to comic timing of Carroll O'Conner & Sherman Hemsley taking over those iconic roles!

TheLaughingMann · 12-22-2016, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefSequatchie

Their is no actor in Hollywood that could come close to comic timing of Carroll O'Conner & Sherman Hemsley taking over those iconic roles!

Especially those crossovers. I think it's funny that the screenshot for the video shows Archie with a "you serious?" look and Jefferson with a "damn serious" look. When Archie looks like that, you know something's going down.

Least shows back then had the stones to tackle material but only in the subtle manner.

kemcha · 12-22-2016, 11:11 PM

Have to admit that when you really examine it, George Jefferson is just the black version of Archie Bunker. I found it hilarious when they showed George's reaction when his son was dating the Willis' white daughter. He about flew through the roof in a rage, much in the same way as Archie Bunker when he tried to make an alliance with Henry Jefferson when the two of them started a petition to keep Latinos from moving into the neighborhood.

The raw versions of the episodes can be found on the DVD home releases.

It's similar to the pilot episode of Dukes of Hazzard when Bo and Daisy are talking about inbreeding when she remarks "that's never stopped our family before". Warner Brothers production stopped making allusions to inbreeding after the pilot episode aired.

There was even an attempt to creatively edit those TV shows for home video release, to water down the content. Thankfully, that never went through. This happened before Warner Brothers started releasing the Dukes of Hazzard to home video. I imagine some similar attempt was with Sony Pictures for The Jeffersons and All in the Family.

Blaze_Chamberlin · 12-24-2016, 10:49 PM

This whole remake trend needs to end with 2016.

kemcha · 12-24-2016, 11:37 PM

Thankfully, that purported reboot of Murder She Wrote was cancelled, at the behest of Angela Lansbury who advocated against the TV series. Reboots should never be done because they mostly are pieces of crap.

For instance: Minority Report, Limitless, Cruel Intentions, Murder She Wrote, The Exorcist, Ironside, Charlie's Angels, A-Team, Knight Rider, Bionic Woman, The Rockford Files, Dallas, V.

Remember that some of these shows never got to the production stage before these efforts were shut down. Others were canceled after a season or two.

whotony · 12-25-2016, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zivouhr

Antenna TV, a national free broadcast TV channel, shows unedited versions of the Jeffersons and All in the Family each week with the cursing still intact. Tonight, George Jefferson swore at his guest to leave after the wife insulted Mrs. Louise Jefferson and Florence.
All in the Family, Sanford and Son, I've seen episodes that don't hold anything back this year on that channel, same with Good Times, and it's surprising none of it's edited, which I'm glad to see.

A reboot of sorts? I can't imagine if they'll be able to pull it off.

Cursing?

Is that your opinion?
There was never any cursing on those shows.

kemcha · 12-25-2016, 08:06 PM

I don't ever remember any swearing in any of these shows either. The FCC was quite explicit in cracking down on TV shows in the 50's, 60's and 70's when it came to swearing. When the "N" word was used, censors would bleep out those words but for home video releases, the original raw (uncensored episodes) would be released through DVD releases.

Rampage09 · 12-28-2016, 09:49 PM

Someone mentioned unedited politically incorrect DVD versions of the shows All in the Family, Dukes, and the Jeffersons. Are there edited DVDs out there? I would assume the Shout release of these were original and unedited, no? I do not have any of them, but am looking to pick them up, including Dukes, which I need to get elsewhere.

I already own several shows: I Dream of Jeannie, Bewitched, I Love Lucy, Honeymooners, Dallas, Mama's Family, and Married with Children to name a few.

12-17-2016, 08:21 PM	#1
kemcha Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:Dec 2009 Location:Michigan, USA 4K collection:18 Blu-ray collection:344 Blu-ray reviews:18 Trading Score:32	All in the Family, The Jeffersons Receiving Soft Reboot All in the Family, The Jeffersons and More getting soft reboots When I read about this, I absolutely could not believe it. All in the Family and The Jeffersons may be getting a soft reboot, according to talks between Norman Lear and Sony Pictures. While these would be soft reboots of six episodes per series, the word is that these would re-enact episodes of the respective shows. http://tvline.com/2016/12/17/all-in-...he-jeffersons/ The only problem is that these shows would not work as rebooted shows because of the subject matter that surrounded these shows. All in the Family and The Jefferson focused mostly on racism and bigotry. I'm willing to bet that Sony will cast these with a Latino cast.

12-17-2016, 08:52 PM	#3
GrouchoFan Blu-ray Guru Member since:Oct 2011 Location:Quincy, MA 4K collection:288 Blu-ray collection:1811 DVD collection:615 MA collection:194 Digital collection:4	Only a meathead or a dingbat would think this is a good idea.

12-17-2016, 09:34 PM	#5
ElectricPeterTork Blu-ray Guru Member since:Dec 2015 Blu-ray collection:1334 DVD collection:1535 Trading Score:18	If they're going to be shooting the old scripts with different actors, why not just show the old episodes? It's cheaper all around. And if they're going to change things to reflect modern sensibilities, why not just create a new show? This option they're going with will please literally no one... unless it gets Archie Bunker's Place finally released on DVD. Then I'll be pleased. But the new show will still probably suck.

12-17-2016, 10:21 PM	#6
Giant Machine Senior Member Member since:Aug 2016 Location:Parts Unknown Blu-ray collection:342 DVD collection:189	When Hollywood runs out of ideas, they remake classics.

12-18-2016, 01:40 AM	#7
kemcha Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:Dec 2009 Location:Michigan, USA 4K collection:18 Blu-ray collection:344 Blu-ray reviews:18 Trading Score:32	But, quite often, those remakes fall flat on their proverbial faces, 98% of the time.

12-18-2016, 01:52 AM	#8
bigjim25 Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Jun 2011 Location:WV 4K collection:102 Blu-ray collection:3868 DVD collection:2484 MA collection:22 Digital collection:847 iTunes collection:15 Prime collection:4 Trading Score:572	If they're going to do this, just do a reboot of The Rerun Show already!

12-21-2016, 06:05 AM	#9
Zivouhr Blu-ray Grand Duke Member since:Dec 2011 Location:USA 4K collection:3 Blu-ray collection:127	Antenna TV, a national free broadcast TV channel, shows unedited versions of the Jeffersons and All in the Family each week with the cursing still intact. Tonight, George Jefferson swore at his guest to leave after the wife insulted Mrs. Louise Jefferson and Florence. All in the Family, Sanford and Son, I've seen episodes that don't hold anything back this year on that channel, same with Good Times, and it's surprising none of it's edited, which I'm glad to see. A reboot of sorts? I can't imagine if they'll be able to pull it off.

12-21-2016, 08:30 AM	#10
mrrant_33 Power Member Member since:Jul 2009 Trading Score:23	A "soft" reboot? Makes sense seeing how most of Hollywood creative types are soft in the head.

12-21-2016, 12:54 PM	#11
kemcha Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:Dec 2009 Location:Michigan, USA 4K collection:18 Blu-ray collection:344 Blu-ray reviews:18 Trading Score:32	I think this is a cynical attempt by Sony to write those racist and politically incorrect scenes and dialogue out of these shows. Sony is probably expecting these soft reboots to be a hit so they can reboot those old shows and discontinue releasing All in the Family and The Jeffersons on home video. Thing is, All in the Family and The Jeffersons represent a part of our culture that we shouldn't forget. they represent opposite sides of the same coin and focused on racial prejudice as it existed at that time. Carroll O'Connor, who portrayed Archie Bunker wasn't racist or bigoted either. The character was based on Norman Lears own father. O'Connor played the character that way because he was always one of those great actors. Sony is just trying to make a cynical attempt to retcon those old television shows. Personally, I think it's going to backfire. It's like trying to do the same thing with Sanford and Son. Those shows just don't work for modern television, if studios think rebooting those old shows will work. They worked back then because of the ridiculousness or racism and they turned racism into one big joke.

12-22-2016, 09:05 PM	#13
ChiefSequatchie Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jan 2011 Location:Dunlap, TN 4K collection:190 Blu-ray collection:2316 DVD collection:295 Trading Score:1	Their is no actor in Hollywood that could come close to comic timing of Carroll O'Conner & Sherman Hemsley taking over those iconic roles!

12-22-2016, 11:11 PM	#15
kemcha Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:Dec 2009 Location:Michigan, USA 4K collection:18 Blu-ray collection:344 Blu-ray reviews:18 Trading Score:32	Have to admit that when you really examine it, George Jefferson is just the black version of Archie Bunker. I found it hilarious when they showed George's reaction when his son was dating the Willis' white daughter. He about flew through the roof in a rage, much in the same way as Archie Bunker when he tried to make an alliance with Henry Jefferson when the two of them started a petition to keep Latinos from moving into the neighborhood. The raw versions of the episodes can be found on the DVD home releases. It's similar to the pilot episode of Dukes of Hazzard when Bo and Daisy are talking about inbreeding when she remarks "that's never stopped our family before". Warner Brothers production stopped making allusions to inbreeding after the pilot episode aired. There was even an attempt to creatively edit those TV shows for home video release, to water down the content. Thankfully, that never went through. This happened before Warner Brothers started releasing the Dukes of Hazzard to home video. I imagine some similar attempt was with Sony Pictures for The Jeffersons and All in the Family.

12-24-2016, 10:49 PM	#16
Blaze_Chamberlin Blu-ray Knight Member since:Jul 2012 4K collection:12 Blu-ray collection:481 DVD collection:156 MA collection:2 Digital collection:126 iTunes collection:1 Trading Score:638	This whole remake trend needs to end with 2016.

12-24-2016, 11:37 PM	#17
kemcha Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:Dec 2009 Location:Michigan, USA 4K collection:18 Blu-ray collection:344 Blu-ray reviews:18 Trading Score:32	Thankfully, that purported reboot of Murder She Wrote was cancelled, at the behest of Angela Lansbury who advocated against the TV series. Reboots should never be done because they mostly are pieces of crap. For instance: Minority Report, Limitless, Cruel Intentions, Murder She Wrote, The Exorcist, Ironside, Charlie's Angels, A-Team, Knight Rider, Bionic Woman, The Rockford Files, Dallas, V. Remember that some of these shows never got to the production stage before these efforts were shut down. Others were canceled after a season or two.

12-25-2016, 08:06 PM	#19
kemcha Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:Dec 2009 Location:Michigan, USA 4K collection:18 Blu-ray collection:344 Blu-ray reviews:18 Trading Score:32	I don't ever remember any swearing in any of these shows either. The FCC was quite explicit in cracking down on TV shows in the 50's, 60's and 70's when it came to swearing. When the "N" word was used, censors would bleep out those words but for home video releases, the original raw (uncensored episodes) would be released through DVD releases.

12-28-2016, 09:49 PM	#20
Rampage09 Senior Member Member since:Jan 2016 Trading Score:3	Someone mentioned unedited politically incorrect DVD versions of the shows All in the Family, Dukes, and the Jeffersons. Are there edited DVDs out there? I would assume the Shout release of these were original and unedited, no? I do not have any of them, but am looking to pick them up, including Dukes, which I need to get elsewhere. I already own several shows: I Dream of Jeannie, Bewitched, I Love Lucy, Honeymooners, Dallas, Mama's Family, and Married with Children to name a few.

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