What I do not understand about HD-DVD supporters

[canerzi]

Let's assume that Toshiba makes an announcement stating that they give up, they will join blu-ray association and all hd-dvd supporting movie studios agree to support blu-ray. I still can not imagine what negative point any reasonable hd-dvd supporter may claim about this scenario.

Basically we would all be able to buy hd movies regardless of the studio releasing them, both player and disc prices would fall down (as low as hd-hd dvd prices would if they win the format war) and mass market adaptation would be realized. In addition the new disc format would have 25 gb more storage space which is not worse than not having it, would have a cooler name and a scratch resistant surface.

All advantages claimed by hd-dvd camp stem from the context created by the format war. If we imagine a sole victorious format, we are better of if it is blu-ray than hd-dvd. At that point, hd-dvd has no plus.

Ah of course, the discs and players already bought bu hd-dvd owners... Well then they are not defending the format's superiority but their own benefits.

[SpaceDog]

Crazy reasons that I've figured out so far:

1) Sony Sucks.
2) I bought an HD-DVD player and don't want it to be obsolete.

[bhuyanp]

HD DVD's dont have scratch resistant layer as BLU? really?

That sucks.

[Beta-guy]

they have a hatred for Sony, believe that Blu-ray = Sony, they argue Price, and the "confusing profiles" basically they are stubborn on issues that are temporary advantages of HD-DVD.

Some state that they hate DRM (BD+) or region coding, they make it sound almost like having extra security on the discs will make it unplayable for some reason...

one person recommended that HD-DVD only have 1 audio language on a HD-DVD to save space so that could have more room for lossless audio, I Pointed out that if they do that, they'll lose the "advantage" of lack of region coding if they did this, because they could import but not understand the movie, alot of people don't want to read thier movie

[yakman]

They will stick to profile issues and price and refuse to come on board until profile 1.3 players are available for under $200.

[blu-rayfan101]

Why would you hate a great format because of a company. Sure I don't really like microsoft anymore but do you see me throwing my pc with windows in the garbage? And you can buy players from other companys. They are stupid and have stupid reasons.

[Beta-guy]

Originally Posted by blu-rayfan101

Why would you hate a great format because of a company. Sure I don't really like microsoft anymore but do you see me throwing my pc with windows in the garbage? And you can buy players from other companys. They are stupid and have stupid reasons.

I'm with you on this but 90% of the time they bring up the rootkit issue from a few years ago, and some how related it to blu-ray, even though it's not related, if you ask me I think these are just excuses they bought into HD-DVD, either because they got suckered into it, or just bought the cheapest player they could and now they are defending thier decision with illogic...

[devils3023]

Originally Posted by yakman

They will stick to profile issues and price and refuse to come on board until profile 1.3 players are available for under $200.

Profile 1.3?? Do you mean 2.0? Because 1.1 hardware is out already and the next proile, which is optional for players to support, is 2.0 called BD-Live.

[Phane]

Originally Posted by bhuyanp

HD DVD's dont have scratch resistant layer as BLU? really?

That sucks.

HD-DVD's use the same plastic coating that DVD's do. Blu-rays, because they write so much closer to the surface, had to have a new scratch resistant coating developed. The stuff Blu-rays have can resist steel wool and still be readable. When it gets cheaper, you can expect to see it on most factory pressed optical media.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by canerzi

Let's assume that Toshiba makes an announcement stating that they give up, they will join blu-ray association and all hd-dvd supporting movie studios agree to support blu-ray. I still can not imagine what negative point any reasonable hd-dvd supporter may claim about this scenario.

Basically we would all be able to buy hd movies regardless of the studio releasing them, both player and disc prices would fall down (as low as hd-hd dvd prices would if they win the format war) and mass market adaptation would be realized. In addition the new disc format would have 25 gb more storage space which is not worse than not having it, would have a cooler name and a scratch resistant surface.

All advantages claimed by hd-dvd camp stem from the context created by the format war. If we imagine a sole victorious format, we are better of if it is blu-ray than hd-dvd. At that point, hd-dvd has no plus.

Ah of course, the discs and players already bought bu hd-dvd owners... Well then they are not defending the format's superiority but their own benefits.

Their hate for Blu-ray is mostly Sony (interestingly enough, Microsoft never does wrong in their minds). In addition, many of them are cheap asses who bought a cheap (disfunctioning, bug ridden) HD DVD player and built a library of movies. So, there is a great fear in their format dying and all the money put into it. As a result, they blindy accept hook, line, and sinker of Toshiba/MS living in their little world that they don't need Blu-ray anyway because their Toshiba player upscales SD DVDs so well anyway.

[sj001]

I just find it so hard to believe that there are SO many Sony haters out there vs. Microsoft haters. I have always thought M$ was one of the most hated companies due to their practices, and being the top dog in software, and having a virtual monopoly on things.

[HeavyHitter]

I think with the majority of people in general, MS is looked upon more unfavorably.

With HD DVD fanboys, quite the opposite, of course.

[NJMetsFan]

They're just stubborn and don't want to admit that they made a mistake by buying into HD-DVD.

[Brent]

Originally Posted by canerzi

Basically we would all be able to buy hd movies regardless of the studio releasing them, both player and disc prices would fall down

The former would be nice, but the latter is probably not true. If there was no HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray format war going on, whichever format did exist would probably have players no cheaper than $350-400 and you probably wouldn't see as many BOGO / 3-for-2 sales.

[J_Lee87]

The best one I have ever heard was that you could produce HD DUDs in normal DVD factories because they dont have the coating blu rays have. Which makes them more production friendly. I dont know if its just me but anytime something new comes out you have to upgrade. The first thing I thought was what do you think factories did when DVD came out over VHS.

[canerzi]

Originally Posted by Brent

The former would be nice, but the latter is probably not true. If there was no HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray format war going on, whichever format did exist would probably have players no cheaper than $350-400 and you probably wouldn't see as many BOGO / 3-for-2 sales.

During the adaptation phase, you're right (And the same goes for hd-dvd...does anyone think they would sell players for $100 if not for blu-ray). But I'm talking after the mass adaptation, even without hd-dvd, the blu-ray players would fall to below 200$ sooner or later. DVD did not have a competitor and its prices dropped, didn't they? And the faster the players are sold, the sooner economies of scale kicks in the production.

As for the hate for Sony, I personally do not have any sympathy for any large corporation. But if I'm between Sony and Microsoft, I think it's a no brainer.

The profile issues, the higher prices, the studio support are all related to the ongoing format war. I'm talking about a time when there is no format war, blu-ray profile is finalized and the prices are at an acceptable level. Anyone would be able to buy a player for 150$-200$ and movies for 18$-20$.

All things aside, 50 >25.

[blu reality]

A lot of it has to do with Video Games.

Sony dominated the VG market for two full generations. A lot of people felt resentment towards this. Its a desire to see the top dog fail.

[blu-rayfan101]

Originally Posted by blu reality

A lot of it has to do with Video Games.

Sony dominated the VG market for two full generations. A lot of people felt resentment towards this. Its a desire to see the top dog fail.

Why would you want them to fail if they are still doing good? Are they doing anything bad?

[J_Lee87]

Originally Posted by blu-rayfan101

Why would you want them to fail if they are still doing good? Are they doing anything bad?

I think that some people feel that the PS3 went to far on cost and for the people that couldnt get it they became pro 360. That is what happened to one of my friends he was all bout PS3 til he saw that price, then turned to the dark side.

[blu reality]

Originally Posted by blu-rayfan101

Why would you want them to fail if they are still doing good? Are they doing anything bad?

Because, to a lot of people, video game consoles are sports teams. People pick a team and ride with them. Everyone likes to see the dominate team lose.

Its funny. I thought the PS2, aside from having a DVD player, was a rather disappointing system. No out of the box internet, still used memory cards, subpar graphics compared to the competition and so on. The PS3 is the exact opposite in every way. The PS3 even helps cure Cancer!