morality issues

[DrinkMore]

Let me guess - A MAN reviewed the BD right? So, it comes as a shock that a title called "Oral Fixation Tour" that has a woman dancing around half nekkid - got a 5/5 rating?

Wow - I am SHOCKED!

[GreenScar]

Originally Posted by DrinkMore

Let me guess - A MAN reviewed the BD right? So, it comes as a shock that a title called "Oral Fixation Tour" that has a woman dancing around half nekkid - got a 5/5 rating?

Wow - I am SHOCKED!

"Not that there's anything wrong with that."

[Oddiophile]

Originally Posted by DrinkMore

Let me guess - A MAN reviewed the BD right? So, it comes as a shock that a title called "Oral Fixation Tour" that has a woman dancing around half nekkid - got a 5/5 rating?

Wow - I am SHOCKED!

There's nothing wrong with that.

[DrinkMore]

It's disgusting to be quite honest.

[MCWHAMMER]

Originally Posted by DrinkMore

It's disgusting to be quite honest.

You jokin' or something?

[DrinkMore]

Originally Posted by MCWHAMMER

You jokin' or something?

I want to see this, for her musical talent, not for eye candy. I like her. Glad it's reviewing well.

No, I am not.

Wanting to see it for the "musical talent" is one thing. Googling, drooling and ga ga over it because her ass and tits are hanging all over the place are another.

Sorry, that's just my opinion.

[ikbradley]

Originally Posted by DrinkMore

No, I am not.

Wanting to see it for the "musical talent" is one thing. Googling, drooling and ga ga over it because her ass and tits are hanging all over the place are another.

Sorry, that's just my opinion.

But its not just music. It's entertainment, just like if you went to see Cabaret. I can see what you're saying, but Shakira is a lot more credible than seeing a Britney-Lindsay Lohan musical experience.isn't a lot of choice out there.

[DrinkMore]

Originally Posted by ikbradley

But its not just music. It's entertainment, just like if you went to see Cabaret. I can see what you're saying, but Shakira is a lot more credible than seeing a Britney-Lindsay Lohan musical experience.

I kind of like the latin influences, and it's too bad that record execs mangle a lot of her music.

She's hot and is unique. Good enought for me. Plus, for a female artist, there really isn't a lot of choice out there.

Umm ok. The trend for the past oh 10 years in videos for women have been tits and ass. I can guarantee you that if you got rid off all the "sex" and "skin" from the "musical" aspect of it - it wouldn't sell that good. I can also safely say that if they were able to sing nekkid, they would be selling that too.

[GreenScar]

Originally Posted by DrinkMore

No, I am not.

Wanting to see it for the "musical talent" is one thing. Googling, drooling and ga ga over it because her ass and tits are hanging all over the place are another.

Sorry, that's just my opinion.

My opinion is that you need to lighten up. Did you even read the review before you posted your first reply? I would guess not since not once in the review does the reviewer mention anything about Ass or Tits or anything of sexuality. The closest he gets is comparing Shakira to a couple of American based artists. Here is what he said about the video:

Concert performances have always been a little hit and miss on home video – usually due to the extreme, uncontrolled dynamics of shooting a concert or because of the diversity of elements themselves. High def has improved on appreciating the look of these shows greatly compared to DVD, but there’s still been some inconsistencies in HD too. Shakira is one that stands out in a slowly growing crowd. Resolution is normally impeccable, despite the dark arena and complexity of colors used to illuminate the stage, densely saturating the performers in deep hues that normally tend to compromise delineation.

There’s no doubt that concerts pose unique challenges to photograph. Even snapping screenshots of the BDs always prove very challenging, as was the case here. These pics are some of the best I was able to get, but they still don’t come close to doing justice to the gorgeous use of color and light of this disc or the sense of resolve. But, Shakira is preserved about as astutely as I’ve seen concert video look. Its bold highlights and stark, ever changing use of color rarely seems to compromise detail either on stage or faces in the crowd. Consistent with any kind of photography that’s largely composed of dark backgrounds and surroundings, there’s a preponderance of video noise one might have to acclimate too. Without more information about the production to go on, I don’t know if the concert was shot on 35mm or HD cameras. Both can produce vast amounts of noise in low light – but I’d lean toward HD cameras, if I had to guess.

The photography isn’t consistently noisy though. Close-ups, brightly lit and high contrast scenes, which dominate much of the performance, look much cleaner. BMG encoded the AVC video at an average of 20mbps with a peak bitrate of 29mbps. One would have to step through and dissect every frame of the complex photography to say for certain that compression holds no effect. But, at such a lofty bit budget, adverse impacts of compression should be kept well at bay and that’s how they appeared. There was some very subtle abruption in the smoothness of background gradients that might be noticed by those analyzing the video more than watching the show. But, considering how slight it was and the relatively high bit budget, I’m inclined to think it more likely the master or the photography than typical posterization.

and on the audio:

I’ve been after BMG to start subtitling their lyrics like other music studios for awhile now. In past music offerings on BD it would have been a nice perk, but for this one, the lack of subtitles seems extremely shortsighted for a domestic release. Maybe not quite as unreasonable as releasing a foreign language film here in the states without subtitles or a dub, as music is a universal language; how many people actually understand opera? But it’s limiting your audience just the same. And considering the high def market is still fairly niche, it seems even more poorly planned.


Most of the concert is in Spanish. There are a few English songs. But those are also partly Spanish and even the monologues jump back and forth between English and Spanish with such regularity that if you’re not fluent in both, you’ll be lost the entire time.

The performers strong vocals and lively music translate a little better and BMG delivers the sound in another uncompromising 24bit/48kHz 6-channel PCM encoding that makes you feel like you are really there in front of the stage like nothing I’ve experienced before. The crowd can be deafening at times, but the music never drowns. And the fidelity of the uncompressed encoding allows you to crank the sound loud enough to get the fullest concert experience possible in your home.

No need for D-Box to feel the bass here, I could feel the electric energy down to my toes throughout the performance. Surrounds place you in the crowd more than on stage, and as already noted, they do so with incredible effectiveness. I’ve seen a lot of concerts on video, but can’t remember ever hearing a performance that made me feel so much a part of the event.

Have you given her music a shot? She is one of, if not the most popular Latin pop star today. Her music is unique, her sound is unique (which is pretty hard to find in music today) especially in her genre.

You started the conversation in this direction. maybe you should think about that.

[SamInNorthCakalakey]

Holy Cow! Is DrinkMore female?!

Don't playa hate ladies. Just sit back and watch the show.

[GreenScar]

Originally Posted by DrinkMore

Umm ok. The trend for the past oh 10 years in videos for women have been tits and ass. I can guarantee you that if you got rid off all the "sex" and "skin" from the "musical" aspect of it - it wouldn't sell that good. I can also safely say that if they were able to sing nekkid, they would be selling that too.

Shakira had a career before she became a sex symbol. Have you listened to any of her music? How much of it?

Granted, her music is probably aimed at Spanish speakers, like myself, but I think that anyone could enjoy her great voice. Her music would sell if no one had ever seen her, trust me.

[DrinkMore]

Originally Posted by jasonbird

Shakira had a career before she became a sex symbol.

My point.

Yes I have listened to her music and yes I did enjoy a couple of her songs. Don't listen to music much anymore.

I am not a female. I just find something wrong with selling someone as a sex object when clearly it's not the correct avenue to be taken. Music should be music. Not tits and ass. If you want that, go get a porn video.

You can not sit there and tell me this is "musical" and the person that came up with the name "oral fixation" did not have ulterior motives. Again, it's disgusting. I also don't consider this "woman hating" either.

Don't get me wrong, I love beautiful women - I don't like women that sell themselves short just to make a buck. Sorry.

With that, I will let you all have your fun and bow out. Did not mean to offend.

[ryoohki]

So if you're ulgy (man or women) you're natural singer, but if you're all good (man or women) you can't sing, what's the logic in that. If you don't like South American Pop music.. i mean Madonna had her style, very sexy and provocative and this was in the 80's ... i can name a lot of women singer who do it, and beleive it or not, most of their fans are women..

[GreenScar]

Originally Posted by DrinkMore

My point.

Yes I have listened to her music and yes I did enjoy a couple of her songs. Don't listen to music much anymore.

I am not a female. I just find something wrong with selling someone as a sex object when clearly it's not the correct avenue to be taken. Music should be music. Not tits and ass. If you want that, go get a porn video.

You can not sit there and tell me this is "musical" and the person that came up with the name "oral fixation" did not have ulterior motives. Again, it's disgusting. I also don't consider this "woman hating" either.

Don't get me wrong, I love beautiful women - I don't like women that sell themselves short just to make a buck. Sorry.

With that, I will let you all have your fun and bow out. Did not mean to offend.

I also didn't mean to jump on you, It just sounded like you had no knowledge of her more than the "comercial" side of her. I think that any musician that sells as many records as she does dips a bit into exploitation. Wether that's something they are pushed into or something they don't want to do normally, I have no idea. But one thing I would say, is that there are very few women in the entertainment industry (music or film) that are not exploited in one way or another. It IS unfortunate. Concerts in particuar have to be a bit of a spectacle when they are in the larger (non-intimate) arenas. However it is entertainment when it comes right down to it.

As to Shakira, her spanish language music has always been much better than her English language outings. The first song I ever heard from her was "Ojos asi" and I was hooked. (Ojos asi = Eye's like those/these)

Any one who is interested can listen to a bit here:

Ojos asi

BTW, no need to bow out, you have some very valid points.

[BoogalooShrimp]

Just when I thought I had seen it all. A man offended by Shakira shaking her ass. What is the world coming to? Don't let the feminists make you feel guilty for enjoying such a beautiful sight. No one's holding a gun to her head. She's shaking her ass for our viewing pleasure and making a damn good living at it. Being educated and civilized doesn't mean we can't enjoy a little booty shakin

[Ascended_Saiyan]

Originally Posted by DrinkMore

Don't get me wrong, I love beautiful women - I don't like women that sell themselves short just to make a buck. Sorry.

I don't think shakin' her @ss is selling herself short.

In the end, beautiful people have been popular since the individual person started understanding what beautiful is to him/her. Desire and the art of seduction will NOT be erased from human society for quite some time to come (it's kind of helpful for sparking reproduction). IMO, adding these arts (from the ART of belly dancing) to her vocal talents is just that...adding...not subtracting. Layering and/or blending skills is a good fomula for success in most forms of business and life.

[kibbled_bits]

Originally Posted by DrinkMore

My point.

Yes I have listened to her music and yes I did enjoy a couple of her songs. Don't listen to music much anymore.

I am not a female. I just find something wrong with selling someone as a sex object when clearly it's not the correct avenue to be taken. Music should be music. Not tits and ass. If you want that, go get a porn video.

You can not sit there and tell me this is "musical" and the person that came up with the name "oral fixation" did not have ulterior motives. Again, it's disgusting. I also don't consider this "woman hating" either.

Don't get me wrong, I love beautiful women - I don't like women that sell themselves short just to make a buck. Sorry.

With that, I will let you all have your fun and bow out. Did not mean to offend.

I think DrinkMore's perspective is more from how this has ruined music (as a pure art) and it has. Ugly men can still make a living in the music industry but not women. I could care less one way or the other because I'm not into her type of music.

[bearspater]

Originally Posted by DrinkMore

My point.

Yes I have listened to her music and yes I did enjoy a couple of her songs. Don't listen to music much anymore.

I am not a female. I just find something wrong with selling someone as a sex object when clearly it's not the correct avenue to be taken. Music should be music. Not tits and ass. If you want that, go get a porn video.

You can not sit there and tell me this is "musical" and the person that came up with the name "oral fixation" did not have ulterior motives. Again, it's disgusting. I also don't consider this "woman hating" either.

Don't get me wrong, I love beautiful women - I don't like women that sell themselves short just to make a buck. Sorry.

With that, I will let you all have your fun and bow out. Did not mean to offend.

I don't see that she's selling herself short and her millions of fans prove that your "politically correct" point of view is parochial at best.

I long for the time when people can be seen as respectful and decent without having to bow the wimpy "pc" culture fostered in the last 10-15 years. For goodness sake, you can't even tell a woman she's wearing a nice dress these days without someone suspecting your motives.

[kamiller42]

Originally Posted by DrinkMore

My point.

Yes I have listened to her music and yes I did enjoy a couple of her songs. Don't listen to music much anymore.

I am not a female. I just find something wrong with selling someone as a sex object when clearly it's not the correct avenue to be taken. Music should be music. Not tits and ass. If you want that, go get a porn video.

You can not sit there and tell me this is "musical" and the person that came up with the name "oral fixation" did not have ulterior motives. Again, it's disgusting. I also don't consider this "woman hating" either.

Don't get me wrong, I love beautiful women - I don't like women that sell themselves short just to make a buck. Sorry.

With that, I will let you all have your fun and bow out. Did not mean to offend.

You are not alone in your thinking. If she is as talented as she and others thinks she is, her music should be enough to make sure a success. Her excess is a distraction from her music. Maybe she wants you to be distracted from her music for a reason.

[Rustmonsteru]

Life is to short to banter about morality on a site devoted to discussing hidef media. I'm getting myself a copy. It's entertainment; Just enjoy yourselves.