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Back in the early days of man, the dark ages, pre-1997, there was no such thing as South Park. Yes I know what you're all thinking right now, how could that be??!! How did people survive?? What did they do with themselves?? What's wrong with some good old fashioned Morris dancing? Is how I would have replied, but I digress. Twas the surprising success of the Colorado set animated TV show that gave both Trey Parker and Matt Stone the chance to let loose in crazy ventures such as 'BASEketball'.
Apparently the actual game of BASEketball was the brainchild of this movies director, David Zucker. Is this true? Who knows, moving on. The plot consists of two 23 year old unemployed losers, Coop (Trey Parker) and Remer (Stone), who seem to have generally failed in life thus far. In their own words they mainly sit around all day drinking beer and playing Nintendo. One night they crash a party being hosted by a sexy former high school classmate and end up challenging two jocks to a game of two-on-two basketball. But in order to humiliate and ultimately beat the jocks (who are both very good at basketball), the duo quickly invent their own game rules on the fly (a combination of baseball and basketball).
The guys win their stupid game but still lose the girls (ultimately not humiliating the jocks after all). Despite feeling rejected the duo decide to work on their new creation which appeared to work quite well all things considered. Over the next six months their idea morphs into a highly popular street game which attracts the attention of businessman Ted Denslow (Ernest Borgnine) who helps the guys turn the game into a major national sport, the National BASEketball League (NBL). Its from this point on things go from bad to worse as the duo find themselves disagreeing on things such as the monetisation of the sport, sexy women, best friends, child labour, and of course fame. All the usual things because money is the source of all evil and leads to unhappiness, greed, and all that jazz.
So obviously this movie was nothing more than a vehicle for the South Park duo to cash in on said TV show because said TV show was, at the time, becoming incredibly popular...bordering on massively popular (if it wasn't already at that point). So it was clearly time for a studio to get these guys involved in something in order to mine that precious moolah. The movie has absolutely nothing to do with their animated show but its as you can imagine a lot of the humour does fall in line with said Colorado based animated show. Add to that the very popular and classic spoof humour of Zucker ('The Naked Gun', 'Airplane' etc...) and you do have the possibility for comedic gold.
Do you actually get comedic gold though? Well yes and no, its kinda sporadic. The movie has many highs and lows which can either make you cringe or laugh out loud, its very...umm sporadic. Of course the movie being 20 years old doesn't help too much with much of the humour (some of it is terribly 90's). But a true classic comedy should stand the test of time really so I guess you can say this isn't up to that standard (it definitely isn't).
So essentially what you have (as I'm sure you can guess) is across the board infantile frat-boy style humour mixed with some equally crass and silly spoofery. Most of the humour does indeed surround typical things like hot girls, beer, bowel movements, sexuality etc...At the national league games the cheerleaders are essentially strippers clad in different attire depending on the game night theme...or sometimes they are just strippers. The game night themes are themselves utterly bizarre and actually quite amusing at times. For example there is dozen egg night, free range chicken night, and probe night. On these nights the crowds usually partake in the theme, so on free range chicken night the fans bring in their own chickens to the game. The typical Zucker humour tends to creep into the background strategically. Whilst two characters discuss the plot in the foreground, in the background a groundsman casually pushes along a huge vacuum machine that sucks up loose chickens on the field. And no one bats an eye.
The game teams are all ridiculous and in some cases now offensive. For example Coop and Remer play for The Beers, because no comedy is complete without mindless predictable beer gags. Then there is the San Francisco all male team The Ferries who dress in pink and have buffed up male strippers for their cheerleaders. The New Jersey team are called The Informants...bada bing! The LA team are the LA Riots...ahem! There is a team from Roswell which are of course based on Area 51 and aliens (ugh!). There is a Latino team which is based around crime and finally a Texas team chock full of redneck cowboy types. So yeah, mostly offensive stereotypes which would cause a shitstorm these days.
One of the movies small highlights is of course Trey Parker doing what appears to be his best Rik Mayall impressions (complete with wacky blonde hair). For instance in the games players are allowed to try and distract their opposition whilst they take shots. This leads to some pretty ingenious bits of visual comedy. We see Cooper pretend to cut off a finger complete with squirting fake blood. Cooper also munches on silver foil. Remer squirts milk from his nipples whilst asking 'got milk?'. The pair constantly mock and berate their smaller teammate Squeak (Dian Bachar) using him as a way to unhinge the opposition; something which at times is funny whilst at other times far too predictable. And at one point Cooper even unleashes Eric Cartman's voice to attack a player.
Parker is clearly the more energetic and amusing cast member to watch. He seems much more comfortable in front of the camera hence his visual antics and quips do tend to come across more, dare I say professionally, than Stone. Its the little touches that make you smile such as Coop getting annoyed and simply letting out a frustrated 'awww' every time; something that he exaggerates more and more throughout. His one in-game drunken stupor was also a small highlight. Falling asleep at the mount, running whilst still hungover bloated with alcohol, and letting down little Joey who wanted Coop to hit some homers (or whatever they were called). Then there's the happy dance, whenever Coop gets really angry Remer makes him to a little jig whilst singing 'I'm doing the happy dance, I'm doing the happy dance'. Its utterly stupid but the fact it clearly makes Coop happier is somehow amusing to watch.
On the other hand Stone isn't really as good as Parker. He doesn't really have the same screen presence, he isn't as good with physical humour, and he doesn't have the ability to do any really funny voices. Overall it just kinda feels like Stone is there merely because he was part of the creation process behind South Park and he has to be there otherwise it would seem unfair. Sure he can do some simple voices for certain characters but he's obviously better in the writing process.
As for the rest of the cast it reads like a who's who of forgotten stars and wannabes. It kinda feels like they got certain older classic stars because they just needed the work and money. Or they just wanted to get involved in a 'hip new comedy' that's 'down with the kids' to stay relevant. Whilst other lesser known actors clearly just need anything they can get. The movie is also stuffed full of needless cameos which always comes across as a cheap ploy to lure in an audience and boost interest. At the same time it also dates the movie horribly, case in point, a specific NASCAR driver, some American sports commentators, and dated celebs like Victoria Silvstedt. Also despite the soundtrack being somewhat engaging it too does very little to help the hideous dating of this movie. Who remembers Scatman?
In a sense I believe this movie is maybe supposed to mirror Parker and Stone's own early lives as they went from being losers bumming around, to losers with fame and fortune under their new-found creation. Of course I could be wrong because essentially this movie has no real plot, its merely a string of silly and offensive sequences tied together with some music and cameos. On one hand I do like the movie simply because of its sheer lack political correctness (twas before all that shit) which is always a breath of fresh air. Some of the things in this movie would never be allowed these days, and that's fecking awesome. But on the other hand it is admittedly a pretty crap movie with crap acting, bad effects, a stupid plot, and tonnes of awkward cameos.
In typical Parker and Stone manner the movie (like South Park) is deliberately offensive. Its offensive for the sake of being offensive. But if that's your bag, if you're open to that kind of humour, then you may have a blast with this guff. If not then I'd advise you to stay away for fear of getting triggered.
6/10
Last edited by Spirit Zero; 08-14-2018 at 11:44 PM.
I'll be honest - I did not read any of that giant block of text. And I don't usually bother with these random "retrospective" threads.
But I will say that I LOVE Baseketball. It's hilarious. I wish Trey and Matt made more movies as actors (and I wish they would put out more as filmmakers as well!)
essentially this movie has no real plot, its merely a string of silly and offensive sequences tied together with some music and cameos.
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Originally Posted by Spirit Zero
it is admittedly a pretty crap movie with crap acting, bad effects, a stupid plot, and tonnes of awkward cameos.
im sorry but what? is there a plot or isnt there one? did you proof read all of that text? your saying that there is and isnt a plot so which is it? for me there is a plot its explained right at the start of the movie that sports has gone out of fashion and has devolved into advertising etc etc and sports would eventually come back in the younger generation because the older generation got it wrong. then we see the characters slowly evolve their new sport and becomes a success and then you get the 'villain' of the older generation that comes to try to take over and change the sport of the new generation into the very thing that the older generation got wrong with sports by manipulating events that unfold and would effectively kill the sport just like all other sports and in the end they stop that from happening. thats what i understood as the base plot but there is also the side arc of jenna and her foundation and the sick kid too. thats not entirely useless either because it shows how kids which are the NEW young generation are getting into the sport the main characters created by going to the games because originally the kids were visiting the game when we first see them.
im sorry but what? is there a plot or isnt there one? did you proof read all of that text? your saying that there is and isnt a plot so which is it? for me there is a plot its explained right at the start of the movie that sports has gone out of fashion and has devolved into advertising etc etc and sports would eventually come back in the younger generation because the older generation got it wrong. then we see the characters slowly evolve their new sport and becomes a success and then you get the 'villain' of the older generation that comes to try to take over and change the sport of the new generation into the very thing that the older generation got wrong with sports by manipulating events that unfold and would effectively kill the sport just like all other sports and in the end they stop that from happening. thats what i understood as the base plot but there is also the side arc of jenna and her foundation and the sick kid too. thats not entirely useless either because it shows how kids which are the NEW young generation are getting into the sport the main characters created by going to the games because originally the kids were visiting the game when we first see them.
oh boy i went on a bit long there myself
OK so basically I meant that there isn't really that much of a plot, but what plot there is is kinda silly.
I know what you mean, they do give a load of spiel at the start about the evils of money corrupting sports and how players only chase the biggest pay deals etc...But to me it just felt very thin, a light wrap around a load of typical frat-boy sequences.
Its like they gave you all that spiel at the start to simply get it out of the way so they could then focus on their (somewhat amusing) infantile comedy.
Yes there is a villain who is trying to get his dirty mitts on the sport, but who cares? Its not really that important, you kinda forget about it. And Joey from the kid foundation was in there just for more gags I think I don't think his story was important at all.
And Joey from the kid foundation was in there just for more gags I think I don't think his story was important at all.
Of course he was! It's movie from the guy who made Airplane! It's all about random gags. I can't believe you were looking for "Joey's story" in this movie.
Of course he was! It's movie from the guy who made Airplane! It's all about random gags. I can't believe you were looking for "Joey's story" in this movie.
I'm not and I agree with you, I'm just replying to the other guy.
OK so basically I meant that there isn't really that much of a plot, but what plot there is is kinda silly.
I know what you mean, they do give a load of spiel at the start about the evils of money corrupting sports and how players only chase the biggest pay deals etc...But to me it just felt very thin, a light wrap around a load of typical frat-boy sequences.
Its like they gave you all that spiel at the start to simply get it out of the way so they could then focus on their (somewhat amusing) infantile comedy.
Yes there is a villain who is trying to get his dirty mitts on the sport, but who cares? Its not really that important, you kinda forget about it. And Joey from the kid foundation was in there just for more gags I think I don't think his story was important at all.
oh ok! fair enough about the villain. he only appears in small segments scattered over the film, just another corporate overlord wannabe nothing special i understand that. yea they utilized joey for gags but at the same time he is what motivates treys character, you can tell he cares for him in his own way if you were to take out the humor.
So obviously this movie was nothing more than a vehicle for the South Park duo to cash in on said TV show because said TV show was, at the time, becoming incredibly popular...bordering on massively popular (if it wasn't already at that point). So it was clearly time for a studio to get these guys involved in something in order to mine that precious moolah.
My understanding is that this wasn't the case at all. This was planned and mostly filmed before it was known that South Park would be a hit.
Since South Park was a hit by the time the movie was being released, the advertising capitalized on that and advertised the movie as "starring the creators of South Park." But this wasn't something that was rushed into production because of SP's popularity.
My understanding is that this wasn't the case at all. This was planned and mostly filmed before it was known that South Park would be a hit.
Since South Park was a hit by the time the movie was being released, the advertising capitalized on that and advertised the movie as "starring the creators of South Park." But this wasn't something that was rushed into production because of SP's popularity.
South Park came out in 1997 and was pretty much an instant big success.
I know the duo didn't expect it to last but I believe they got offerings (like this movie) from the overnight success of SP. The reason they accepted this movie was partly because they didn't think the SP success would last so they just did everything that came their way (?).
South Park came out in 1997 and was pretty much an instant big success.
Not quite. Going by the imdb trivia on the film...
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Trey Parker and Matt Stone agreed to do this film under the assumption by the time filming began, South Park (1997) would have already been canceled. It wasn't, and having been committed to both projects, had to attend principal photography for this project during the day, and produce South Park (1997) during the night, leaving very little time for any sleep.
While South Park was successful, it wasn't overnight. In fact prior to South Park being renewed this movie was already pitched with Chris Farley in the lead but Farley declined and Trey agreed to star if him and Matt Stone could rewrite the script. Trey signed on thinking South Park was a failure and film was a better option than TV, but South Park was renewed instead.
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I don't think his story was important at all.
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