New HD-FUD: Can't upgrade Blu-ray machines

[inaz4sun]

The argument being made by many at dbstalk.com is that no stand alone blu-ray player is upgradeable, thus all of them bought todate will be unable to play any 2.0 disc once they come out and every buyer will have to buy a new BD player if they want to ever watch any new release.

Its so hilarious. They will say ANYTHING.

And, I am actually arguing with people who claim Wal-mart and K-Mart have electronics just as good as anything the BDA puts out, especially Sony, which "is known to always make crap".

[glenn22]

do you have a link to the article? It depends on how they word the article as to whether or not it's true. Existing stand alone players are indeed not upgradeable to profile 2.0, but they will still play the 2.0 compatible movies. (just not 2.0 content)

[inaz4sun]

Originally Posted by glenn22

do you have a link to the article? It depends on how they word the article as to whether or not it's true. Existing stand alone players are indeed not upgradeable to profile 2.0, but they will still play the 2.0 compatible movies. (just not 2.0 content)

Actually many stand alone players can be upgraded with a DVD.

Its not an article rather a posting in a forum just like this, but with less knowledgeable folks.

[LoR*Evanescence]

Originally Posted by glenn22

do you have a link to the article? It depends on how they word the article as to whether or not it's true. Existing stand alone players are indeed not upgradeable to profile 2.0, but they will still play the 2.0 compatible movies. (just not 2.0 content)

And it's important to add that the 2.0 content is always extras only, it will not be the main movie

To me thats not a big deal, because I could care less to watch a movie with pip features playing over it. I normally just watch the movies, and don't often watch the extras and when i do i only watch the stand alone extras, nother that places it self over the movie such as commentary or what not.


just I side not on other missunderstandings. The retail store in which I work, I have seen some average jo's coming ticked off we don't have hd-dvd players (we sell blu-ray only) and this guy was trying to tell me that hd-dvd is gonig to win because blu-ray players can't play dvd's. I tried to correct him, and even tell him it converts them too, but this guy just kept telling me that's not what he heard.

[Deacon220]

Originally Posted by LoR*Evanescence

And it's important to add that the 2.0 content is always extras only, it will not be the main movie

To me thats not a big deal, because I could care less to watch a movie with pip features playing over it. I normally just watch the movies, and don't often watch the extras and when i do i only watch the stand alone extras, nother that places it self over the movie such as commentary or what not.


just I side not on other missunderstandings. The retail store in which I work, I have seen some average jo's coming ticked off we don't have hd-dvd players (we sell blu-ray only) and this guy was trying to tell me that hd-dvd is gonig to win because blu-ray players can't play dvd's. I tried to correct him, and even tell him it converts them too, but this guy just kept telling me that's not what he heard.

Ignorance is bliss isn't it? LOL You couldn't even get some of these guy's attention even if you hit them between the eyes with a two by four first.

[Joe Cain]

Firmware upgrades alone will not make a 1.1 player profile 2.0-compliant: the big distinctions between the two profiles are local storage and internet connectivity.

[Sonny]

Thats where BD ''takes the cake'' once again, all BD's no matter what the profile content will play in any BD player , just less the 1.1 & 2.0 extras. Did some one say TL51...

[inaz4sun]

Originally Posted by LoR*Evanescence

And it's important to add that the 2.0 content is always extras only, it will not be the main movie

To me thats not a big deal, because I could care less to watch a movie with pip features playing over it. I normally just watch the movies, and don't often watch the extras and when i do i only watch the stand alone extras, nother that places it self over the movie such as commentary or what not.

Yeah, and you know that often extras are on a second disc even, so how would then some of those features be of any benefit. I prefer the best quality movie and sound on one disc and then if necessary put extras on a second.

[Sylin]

Well, understand that it doesn't matter whether or not someone ever intends to watch special features. It's that when J6P is told that an item he has bought (or wants to buy) is in some way "limited", it psychologically registers as a negative. In the average consumer's mind, being told a Blu-ray player can't be "upgraded" to take advantage of new content, well, you might as well have sold them a car that they can't put gas in once the first tank is gone.

In the end, it is FUD because HT equipment doesn't exactly have a long history of upgrade ability. If someone comes at you with this, just tell them an HD-DVD player can't be upgraded either, nor can their current DVD player, or receiver or speakers or cable box or pre-amp, etc. It's not in the nature of that tech to receive upgrades. Then tell them PS3's are an exception because they are, simply put, a computer, and we all know computers can be upgraded. Then laugh, like this is the most obvious, logical conclusion in the world... because it is.

We are early adopters. We bought into a format before it was standardized. We knew full well what we were getting ourselves into, and I dare say most of us have the discretionary income to buy a 2.0 player, or had the foresight to buy a PS3.

[bajor27]

Originally Posted by LoR*Evanescence

The retail store in which I work, I have seen some average jo's coming ticked off we don't have hd-dvd players (we sell blu-ray only) and this guy was trying to tell me that hd-dvd is gonig to win because blu-ray players can't play dvd's. I tried to correct him, and even tell him it converts them too, but this guy just kept telling me that's not what he heard.

It's really odd how that piece of misinformation aws been spread around so much and so often. Your store should keep a DVD handy to pop into a player and actually show the customer it works.

As to the OP, a lot of players certainly aren't upgradable to 1.1 or 2.0. I'm not too familiar with which 1.1 players have an ethernet port, but would imagine ones that do would be upgradable, and any others would not be.

Like others have said though, it is just extras, so not too big a deal for many early adopters. The reason they adopted early (and picked blu) is to get the best picture and audio quality afterall

[glenn22]

Originally Posted by inaz4sun

Actually many stand alone players can be upgraded with a DVD.

Its not an article rather a posting in a forum just like this, but with less knowledgeable folks.

You are referring to firmware, I am referring to the physical components that make a player 2.0 compatible. No firmware can make an existing stand alone player compatible with 2.0. (except the PS3 as it already has the hardware requirements) This was the reason for my initial post as the term "upgrade" can depend on whether you're talking about hardware or firmware.

[glenn22]

Originally Posted by LoR*Evanescence

And it's important to add that the 2.0 content is always extras only, it will not be the main movie

To me thats not a big deal, because I could care less to watch a movie with pip features playing over it. I normally just watch the movies, and don't often watch the extras and when i do i only watch the stand alone extras, nother that places it self over the movie such as commentary or what not.


just I side not on other missunderstandings. The retail store in which I work, I have seen some average jo's coming ticked off we don't have hd-dvd players (we sell blu-ray only) and this guy was trying to tell me that hd-dvd is gonig to win because blu-ray players can't play dvd's. I tried to correct him, and even tell him it converts them too, but this guy just kept telling me that's not what he heard.

Exactly. I'm not sure why people make such a big deal about this. I guess it's because they have no other argument left. Either way it doesn't matter to me as I have a PS3 and it will be 2.0 compliant.

[xwingsct]

Originally Posted by inaz4sun

The argument being made by many at dbstalk.com is that no stand alone blu-ray player is upgradeable, thus all of them bought todate will be unable to play any 2.0 disc once they come out and every buyer will have to buy a new BD player if they want to ever watch any new release.

Its so hilarious. They will say ANYTHING.

And, I am actually arguing with people who claim Wal-mart and K-Mart have electronics just as good as anything the BDA puts out, especially Sony, which "is known to always make crap".

I really want to know how many poeple poeple watch extra on DVD.
I wish they had a survey with all the regular Joe six pack.
I'm a moive buff. So, I do like to look at behind the scenes. How they did the special effect and of course blooper and outtakes.

But most average movie watchers are just gonna watch the movie and return it.
How come HD-DVD didn't take off when they have all those features, cause nobody cares to use it. They probably don't even know that they have it.

Now if Sony and other BD maker can rush 2.0 players into the marke now it's the time for mass market.
For early adopters. We're already aware of the profile thing.
Once it's becoming a standard like DVD. Most of us will have more than one player in the house anyway.

[Coltboy]

I have a Sony BDP-S1 and i am a little concerned about upgrading, i would like to use the 2.0 feature. bout the only extra's i would watch would be the trailers. so no big deal but woud be nice to have it.

[inaz4sun]

Originally Posted by glenn22

You are referring to firmware, I am referring to the physical components that make a player 2.0 compatible. No firmware can make an existing stand alone player compatible with 2.0. (except the PS3 as it already has the hardware requirements) This was the reason for my initial post as the term "upgrade" can depend on whether you're talking about hardware or firmware.

Yep you are correct. Which again makes the PS3 the best HD player of all. Future proof.

[bazie]

I believe (and I THINK it was a bluray rep of some kind at CES who said this, but don't quote me) that their may be issues with some disks playing in older players that will need a firmware upgrade. There is nothing, hardware wise, that prevents 2.0 disks from being played (obviously not the 2.0 features though).....but I see it as plausable that firmware upgrades will be needed. It only is a true problem ever if the movie can't play and no firmware upgrade to fix it. But i think that is highly unlikely.