I have sumed up some things here. To do lists for both formats.

[Dave]

What does HD DVD need to do if they want to win the format war:

1. They have to convince the biggest movie studios to release for their format. (do not count Twentieth Century Fox and Walt Disney here )
2. They have to convince hardware companys to produce HD DVD players and drives.
3. They have to convince hardware companys to freeze production of Blu-Ray drives and player or at least to outstrip Blu-Ray production. (LOL )
4. They have the hope that PS3 - the most successfull game console will fail bad. (BIG LOL )
5. They have to enable support for 1080 progressive resolution.
6. They have to stop loosing support.


What does Blu-Ray need to do if they want to win the format war:

1. They have to release 32 ( ) more movies to take the lead.
2. Panasonic, Pioneer, Philips, Samsung, Sharp and Sony have to outsell Toshiba. (not much effort here eh?)



So, who do you think have the easyest tasks to do?

[hmurchison]

This was such a low brow post Dave. Try harder next time.

[thunderhawk]

Originally Posted by hmurchison

This was such a low brow post Dave. Try harder next time.

Mmm.. I think its good actually.
Kinda straight to the point.

[JTK]

Originally Posted by hmurchison

This was such a low brow post Dave. Try harder next time.

Did he get anything wrong?

[Blu-rayrules]

Originally Posted by Dave

1. They have to convince the biggest movie studios to release for their format. (do not count Twentieth Century Fox and Walt Disney here )

The only problem is that Bob Iger did say that they will "probably" Support both formats...but don't count on it.

http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News...x?NewsId=16554

[Jazar]

Originally Posted by Dave

What does Blu-Ray need to do if they want to win the format war:

1. They have to release 32 ( ) more movies to take the lead.
2. Panasonic, Pioneer, Philips, Samsung, Sharp and Sony have to outsell Toshiba. (not much effort here eh?)

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=2996

Looks like Toshiba might sell more this year (not counting PS3).

[PurpleAardvark]

Originally Posted by Dave

What does HD DVD need to do if they want to win the format war:


5. They have to enable support for 1080 progressive resolution.
6. They have to stop loosing support.

For #5 The XA2 will do 1080p
As for #6 to quote south park "25% of Americans are retarded" Sorry that last episode was funnier than hell.

[vick vega]

I'll go with a little mad max thunderdome, 2 formats enter 1 format leaves. I loved the south park spoof of that where they get all of the adults in jail by saying they,the kids, got molested.

[JTK]

Originally Posted by Jazar

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=2996

Looks like Toshiba might sell more this year (not counting PS3).

And the other standalone players.

There's a lot of HT enthusiasts on the Internet, and even more NOT on it, that are waiting for Panasonic, Sony, and Pioneer Elite, among other things.

But hey: That basically had 6 months out there virtually uncontested, thanks to BD's early and needless blunders.

[PurpleAardvark]

Originally Posted by JTK

And the other standalone players.

There's a lot of HT enthusiasts on the Internet, and even more NOT on it, that are waiting for Panasonic, Sony, and Pioneer Elite, among other things.

But hey: That basically had 6 months out there virtually uncontested, thanks to BD's early and needless blunders.

But having that much time they arn't too far ahead. Being 6 months ahead there sales for Hd sold be 200% more than BD to be even which means that on a % vs. time basis BD would be ahead but, also factor into those sales defective players and returns, which is still counted for a sale if they get a new one. The only people who know the true numbers would be the companys producing the players. It is real easy to inflate or deflate numbers.

By the way Viki that is a good episode too. Two of my favorates are: cow days, and the million recorder blow were Kenny G mollest Mr. Garison. That last episode was on of the best they have done in a while.

[Rob Tomlin]

Originally Posted by Blu-rayrules

The only problem is that Bob Iger did say that they will "probably" Support both formats...but don't count on it.

http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News...x?NewsId=16554

Here is a similar article saying the same thing: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060313-6374.html

Note that these articles were both back in March 2006. Since then, there hasn't been any indication that Disney will release on HD-DVD. They are just leaving their options open, and if HD-DVD somehow wins or remains viable in the format war, Disney won't leave money on the table and will release on HD-DVD as well.

[Rob Tomlin]

Originally Posted by Dave

What does Blu-Ray need to do if they want to win the format war:

1. They have to release 32 ( ) more movies to take the lead.
2. Panasonic, Pioneer, Philips, Samsung, Sharp and Sony have to outsell Toshiba. (not much effort here eh?)

3. Sony should start using VC-1 on their titles
4. They need to "cherry pick" more of their titles with pure PQ in mind (I think HD-DVD has done this to a large degree with a few obvious exceptions such as FMJ etc) to overcome the appearance that HD-DVD titles are "better looking".
5. Bring the price of a quality stand alone player down, probably below $699 to convince more people that a BD player is worth the extra money. It's easier to convince people at $200 more, but $500 to $800 (and more) can be a stretch.

[Applefiend]

Clearly you don't see the importance of winning teh forum warz.

[Dave]

Originally Posted by Rob Tomlin

3. Sony should start using VC-1 on their titles

What if mpeg2 or x264 on a 50GB media looks better than VC-1? This is not a 100% "to win the war" point.

Originally Posted by Rob Tomlin

4. They need to "cherry pick" more of their titles with pure PQ in mind (I think HD-DVD has done this to a large degree with a few obvious exceptions such as FMJ etc) to overcome the appearance that HD-DVD titles are "better looking".

Is "better looking" = "barely noticable more sharpness" ?

Originally Posted by Rob Tomlin

5. Bring the price of a quality stand alone player down, probably below $699 to convince more people that a BD player is worth the extra money. It's easier to convince people at $200 more, but $500 to $800 (and more) can be a stretch.

Sammy is ~$600 already. PS3 (an HDMI 1.3 BLU-RAY player) is $500.
This point is done.

[PeterTHX]

Don't forget all the other support.

PCs are currently dominated by BD-ROM.

BTW: it's "summed"

[Blackraven]

2)They have to convince hardware companys to produce HD DVD players and drives.

I agree on this one.

So far, the only exclusive company making the units is Toshiba. Lite-on and now even NEC makes for both.

So far, the number of CE companies making devices for HD-DVD isn't enough at the moment.

Hope they improve on it.

[JTK]

A little footnote to all this:

Relatively speaking: 6 months is fairly insignifigant in the world of retail, by and large.




One thing that's easy for all of us to forget is: No matter how many forums you go to and how many forumers are there....those people are a mere fraction of the much larger group of AV and HT enthusisats out there that just don't give a rip about posting on Internet forums.

[Rob Tomlin]

Originally Posted by Dave

What if mpeg2 or x264 on a 50GB media looks better than VC-1? This is not a 100% "to win the war" point.

Huh?

Is "better looking" = "barely noticable more sharpness" ?

Huh?

Sammy is ~$600 already. PS3 (an HDMI 1.3 BLU-RAY player) is $500.
This point is done.

The MSRP of the Sammy has NOT been reduced. You can get them for less though I agree, but some of those are refurbs. As far as the PS3, please read my post again. I specifically referred to "stand alone" players.

[hmurchison]

Originally Posted by Dave

What does HD DVD need to do if they want to win the format war:

1. They have to convince the biggest movie studios to release for their format. (do not count Twentieth Century Fox and Walt Disney here )
2. They have to convince hardware companys to produce HD DVD players and drives.
3. They have to convince hardware companys to freeze production of Blu-Ray drives and player or at least to outstrip Blu-Ray production. (LOL )
4. They have the hope that PS3 - the most successfull game console will fail bad. (BIG LOL )
5. They have to enable support for 1080 progressive resolution.
6. They have to stop loosing support.
What does Blu-Ray need to do if they want to win the format war:

1. They have to release 32 ( ) more movies to take the lead.
2. Panasonic, Pioneer, Philips, Samsung, Sharp and Sony have to outsell Toshiba. (not much effort here eh?)
So, who do you think have the easyest tasks to do?

1. Check. Both Universal and Warner have shown why they are the studios to align with. If you remove Warner from Blu-Ray your launch isn't half of what you have now. It's ironic...Warner basically saved Blu-Ray because Fox/Columbia/Disney haven't done shite. Adding Disney and LGF next year will give HD DVD a tremdous boost.

2. They have- LG and Liteon are both looking at making drives. Liteon OEMs for a lot of Tier1 vendors like Sony and more.

3. No they don't. HD DVD drives are still easier to make hence you have more slimline drives available for laptops.

4. No they don't...they simply need to have the Xbox 360 with an add on have a similar effect on movie sales.

5. HD-XA2 1080p support over HDMI 1.3...not that it really matter in most cases.

6. They are likely gaining support. With Videoscan and Neilsen numbers corroborating a significant advantage in movie attach rate. HD DVD has done nothing but gained. They've outsold the Samsung player by a factor of 2.5 in the US alone.


BD Players

1. They need to release more quality movies rather than quantity

2. No they have to outsell Toshiba, RCA Xbox add ons and the bevy of laptops enabled with HD DVD drives.

3. They have to offer hardware that at least matches the base level HD DVD player with support for TrueHD or DTS-HD MA, they need ethernet ports and full legacy support back down to CD.

4. They need a low cost player option for people who won't allow a game console in their home. My girlfriend doesn't want a game console in the home and I know she's not the only one afraid of the effects of too much game playing on kids.

5. They must get Universal onboard. Say what you want but Universal has a lot of quality movies. Evidently Blu-Ray may be losing the porn arena as I've recently heard about difficulties with studios getting their movies replicated. DigitalOn has posted that on these boards. HD DVD is looking like a good option there.

6. They don't just need PS3 success they need PS3 movie success. Just because a bunch of people buy the console doesn't mean we're going to see gonzo movie sales.

I thought we wouldnt have hd dvd fan boys on this forum.