Fox Never Intended to Leave - Blu-ray Forum

stockstar1138 · 01-05-2008, 09:06 PM

There is some major FUD going around the Internet that Fox was leaving the BDA and going HD DVD along with Warner, but big money from the BDA changed the whole picture.

Fox WAS offered money from the HD DVD group and HD DVD was turned down. Who really were the ones using $ to try and buy a victory????

This is nonsense and it is not true or even logical. Here are some reasons why.

1. Fox likes security. I'm sorry, but even IF BD+ is kind of cracked (never seen proof it is) Blu-ray still offers region coding, which Fox uses, which HD DVD doesn't. They have been the most conservative studio in regards to secuirty in this war, so why should we believe for one second that they magicaly go to becoming one of the most liberal. Money would make some sense, but in that case HD DVD has no reason to be mad at us IF we gave WB and Fox money to stay with us (we didn't).

2. We have trusted insiders. Lets face it, we knew this (WB) was coming, because of them. They never hinted once of a Fox issue or that Fox was thinking about leaving.

3. Look at their new releases. MPEG-2!!! MPEG-2 and HD DVD don't mix very well, I have a really hard time believing if they intended on going HD DVD that they would have been working on MPEG-2 transfers this whole time.

TauHeel05 · 01-05-2008, 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stockstar1138

There is some major FUD going around the Internet that Fox was leaving the BDA and going HD DVD along with Warner, but big money from the BDA changed the whole picture.

Fox WAS offered money from the HD DVD group and HD DVD was turned down. Who really were the ones using $ to try and buy a victory????

This is nonsense and it is not true or even logical. Here are some reasons why.

1. Fox likes security. I'm sorry, but even IF BD+ is kind of cracked (never seen proof it is) Blu-ray still offers region coding, which Fox uses, which HD DVD doesn't. They have been the most conservative studio in regards to secuirty in this war, so why should we believe for one second that they magicaly go to becoming one of the most liberal. Money would make some sense, but in that case HD DVD has no reason to be mad at us IF we gave WB and Fox money to stay with us (we didn't).

2. We have trusted insiders. Lets face it, we knew this (WB) was coming, because of them. They never hinted once of a Fox issue or that Fox was thinking about leaving.

3. Look at their new releases. MPEG-2!!! MPEG-2 and HD DVD don't mix very well, I have a really hard time believing if they intended on going HD DVD that they would have been working on MPEG-2 transfers this whole time.

I totally agree. I called shenanigans on this claim.

Sonny · 01-05-2008, 09:10 PM

of course they never even thought of leaving Blu-ray, this is just the usual HDDVD B*LL $H*T

Go Blu · 01-05-2008, 09:11 PM

Allot of Denial going on...Perhaps we can suggest some good counceling for them.

kolasi · 01-05-2008, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stockstar1138

There is some major FUD going around the Internet that Fox was leaving the BDA and going HD DVD along with Warner, but big money from the BDA changed the whole picture.

Fox WAS offered money from the HD DVD group and HD DVD was turned down. Who really were the ones using $ to try and buy a victory????

This is nonsense and it is not true or even logical. Here are some reasons why.

1. Fox likes security. I'm sorry, but even IF BD+ is kind of cracked (never seen proof it is) Blu-ray still offers region coding, which Fox uses, which HD DVD doesn't. They have been the most conservative studio in regards to secuirty in this war, so why should we believe for one second that they magicaly go to becoming one of the most liberal. Money would make some sense, but in that case HD DVD has no reason to be mad at us IF we gave WB and Fox money to stay with us (we didn't).

2. We have trusted insiders. Lets face it, we knew this (WB) was coming, because of them. They never hinted once of a Fox issue or that Fox was thinking about leaving.

3. Look at their new releases. MPEG-2!!! MPEG-2 and HD DVD don't mix very well, I have a really hard time believing if they intended on going HD DVD that they would have been working on MPEG-2 transfers this whole time.

i fully agree with you.

Downhere · 01-05-2008, 09:13 PM

I disagree with everyone, I think there were some really intense things going on behind the scenes that we will never be privy to. It has just been one big chess game really. The rumor's about Fox don't really surprise me. No one has to believe the rumors, but there has been more than meets the eye regarding this format war.

Elandyll · 01-05-2008, 09:13 PM

For anyone whose been following this "war", it was BS all along.
The very reason Fox paused their releases back in May was for fear of lack of security. BD+ was designed to appease those kind of fears (probably not solely for Fox, of course).
So, going to a format without Regional code (choice of studio) and nothing beyond AACS (worthless protection)? No way.

Blu-Runner · 01-05-2008, 09:15 PM

Ants are just trying to stir up a storm. Some are still in belief that both Disney AND Fox are leaving Blu-ray...

JTK · 01-05-2008, 09:16 PM

I first saw this BS at www.formatwarcentral.com yesterday.

They couldn't be more wrong if they tried.

stockstar1138 · 01-05-2008, 09:17 PM

almost forgot point #4.

4. A Fox exec said back in Dec. that he knew at CES it would be obvious there was really only one format.

Now why would you say something like that if you have thoughts of leaving??? Because the HD DVD fanboys are saying Fox was really having thoughts of leaving because of BD+ and replication issues.

johnnyd1 · 01-05-2008, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Downhere

I disagree with everyone, .

Look at the bright side.

You now have a Toshiba doorstop !

Sonny · 01-05-2008, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Downhere

I disagree with everyone, I think there were some really intense things going on behind the scenes that we will never be privy to. It has just been one big chess game really. The rumor's about Fox don't really surprise me. No one has to believe the rumors, but there has been more than meets the eye regarding this format war.

The rumors dont surprise anyone they've been coming since day one. I know you like to be optimist but FOX never had any intentions of switching sides. Link...LOL! You shouldn't need one.

Slapper · 01-05-2008, 09:22 PM

I call BS as well. Wasn't it the Fox guy that called Paramount out for taking the money and didn't he also accuse Microsoft (the 800lb gorilla) of pulling the strings and funding the "buy-out" of Para/Dreamworks for the HD-DVD camp?

I think HD-DVD proponents are just desperately trying to hold onto something, even if that something never existed. "If only we had Fox go HD-DVD, then Warner would have followed and then everyone else would follow after them. If only..."

If only I could shit gold nuggets and my ear wax was made of super glue then I could build a house of gold.

Sorry.

blindcat87 · 01-05-2008, 09:23 PM

I am no insider, but I bet I can sum up exactly what happened here. I may be wrong, but I think I have something here.

My guess is that Toshiba and whoever else they asked to go along with the deal, MS, Uni, etc asked for a meeting. Fox accepted the offer of a meeting and listened to their case. This, of course, meant to certain people that Fox was obviously going to accept the deal, after all, they accepted the meeting. Basically, because they were polite and acted like a real corporation that wants to make the right decision by not ignoring any side of an issue, they had to be planning on dumping BD, right?

Add to the other reasons that this is not really feasible, that Fox likely knew as much about the good chances of a deal with WB as Lion's Gate and others did. Even ignoring all other factors, completely valid as all of those reasons are, I don't think any corporation would like to put themselves in the position of making an obsolete decision just days after the changes that make it obsolete happen. What major corporation would possibly want to find themselves in that position at CES? Huh, Mr. Gates, do you have any idea who, or are you too busy rewriting your keynote?

Chris

Downhere · 01-05-2008, 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnyd1

Look at the bright side.

You now have a Toshiba doorstop !

No, not really. I have a great upconverter and it will still play my existing HD DVD's. I'm not getting rid of my collection. The only movies I will switch to Blu-ray are my unopened copies of the Harry Potter series.

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The rumors dont surprise anyone they've been coming since day one. I know you like to be optimist but FOX never had any intentions of switching sides. Link...LOL! You shouldn't need one.

While I truly don't think Fox ever intended to switch sides, I think this notion of the BDA companies being perfect little angels is flawed. Behind the scenes there must have been a great deal of back and forth going on. Like I said, there has probably been things going on behind the scenes that we will never be privy to.

GarettP · 01-05-2008, 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnyd1

Look at the bright side.

You now have a Toshiba doorstop !

Or an upscaling DVD Player!

BluFett · 01-05-2008, 09:25 PM

I call BS too.

gandley · 01-05-2008, 09:28 PM

Let Fox put the record straight. truth is we dont know. It could be a half truth.

Wait for fox to come clean.

Seretur · 01-05-2008, 09:28 PM

Oh, I also think the Fox leaving rumor was BS.

But I also think that the MPEG-2 press release is bollocks. There's captures of Man on Fire already on AVS (hey, it's safe to go there again!) that show it's an AVC encode, despite the press release.

Noone in their right mind would choose MPEG-2 for authoring at this stage.

Downhere · 01-05-2008, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Seretur

Noone in their right mind would choose MPEG-2 for authoring at this stage.

The Simpsons Movie is MPEG-2.

01-05-2008, 09:06 PM	#1
stockstar1138 Banned Member since:Apr 2007	Fox Never Intended to Leave There is some major FUD going around the Internet that Fox was leaving the BDA and going HD DVD along with Warner, but big money from the BDA changed the whole picture. Fox WAS offered money from the HD DVD group and HD DVD was turned down. Who really were the ones using $ to try and buy a victory???? This is nonsense and it is not true or even logical. Here are some reasons why. 1. Fox likes security. I'm sorry, but even IF BD+ is kind of cracked (never seen proof it is) Blu-ray still offers region coding, which Fox uses, which HD DVD doesn't. They have been the most conservative studio in regards to secuirty in this war, so why should we believe for one second that they magicaly go to becoming one of the most liberal. Money would make some sense, but in that case HD DVD has no reason to be mad at us IF we gave WB and Fox money to stay with us (we didn't). 2. We have trusted insiders. Lets face it, we knew this (WB) was coming, because of them. They never hinted once of a Fox issue or that Fox was thinking about leaving. 3. Look at their new releases. MPEG-2!!! MPEG-2 and HD DVD don't mix very well, I have a really hard time believing if they intended on going HD DVD that they would have been working on MPEG-2 transfers this whole time.

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01-05-2008, 09:10 PM	#3
Sonny Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Aug 2007 Home Theater Gallery:8 Blu-ray reviews:6 Trading Score:1	of course they never even thought of leaving Blu-ray, this is just the usual HDDVD BLL $HT

01-05-2008, 09:11 PM	#4
Go Blu Special Member Member since:Feb 2007	Allot of Denial going on...Perhaps we can suggest some good counceling for them.

01-05-2008, 09:13 PM	#6
Downhere Power Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Central Florida Blu-ray collection:444 Blu-ray reviews: 2 Trading Score:8	I disagree with everyone, I think there were some really intense things going on behind the scenes that we will never be privy to. It has just been one big chess game really. The rumor's about Fox don't really surprise me. No one has to believe the rumors, but there has been more than meets the eye regarding this format war.

01-05-2008, 09:13 PM	#7
Elandyll Blu-ray Knight Member since:Aug 2007 Location:MD Blu-ray collection:188 Trading Score:1	For anyone whose been following this "war", it was BS all along. The very reason Fox paused their releases back in May was for fear of lack of security. BD+ was designed to appease those kind of fears (probably not solely for Fox, of course). So, going to a format without Regional code (choice of studio) and nothing beyond AACS (worthless protection)? No way.

01-05-2008, 09:15 PM	#8
Blu-Runner Expert Member Member since:Aug 2007 4K collection:85 Blu-ray collection:203 DVD collection:3 Trading Score:16	Ants are just trying to stir up a storm. Some are still in belief that both Disney AND Fox are leaving Blu-ray...

01-05-2008, 09:16 PM	#9
JTK Blu-ray Knight Member since:Jan 2006 Location:www.blurayoasis.com	I first saw this BS at www.formatwarcentral.com yesterday. They couldn't be more wrong if they tried.

01-05-2008, 09:17 PM	#10
stockstar1138 Banned Member since:Apr 2007	almost forgot point #4. 4. A Fox exec said back in Dec. that he knew at CES it would be obvious there was really only one format. Now why would you say something like that if you have thoughts of leaving??? Because the HD DVD fanboys are saying Fox was really having thoughts of leaving because of BD+ and replication issues.

01-05-2008, 09:22 PM	#13
Slapper Special Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:I live in a pineapple under the sea... Blu-ray collection:277	I call BS as well. Wasn't it the Fox guy that called Paramount out for taking the money and didn't he also accuse Microsoft (the 800lb gorilla) of pulling the strings and funding the "buy-out" of Para/Dreamworks for the HD-DVD camp? I think HD-DVD proponents are just desperately trying to hold onto something, even if that something never existed. "If only we had Fox go HD-DVD, then Warner would have followed and then everyone else would follow after them. If only..." If only I could shit gold nuggets and my ear wax was made of super glue then I could build a house of gold. Sorry.

01-05-2008, 09:23 PM	#14
blindcat87 Expert Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Southern NM	I am no insider, but I bet I can sum up exactly what happened here. I may be wrong, but I think I have something here. My guess is that Toshiba and whoever else they asked to go along with the deal, MS, Uni, etc asked for a meeting. Fox accepted the offer of a meeting and listened to their case. This, of course, meant to certain people that Fox was obviously going to accept the deal, after all, they accepted the meeting. Basically, because they were polite and acted like a real corporation that wants to make the right decision by not ignoring any side of an issue, they had to be planning on dumping BD, right? Add to the other reasons that this is not really feasible, that Fox likely knew as much about the good chances of a deal with WB as Lion's Gate and others did. Even ignoring all other factors, completely valid as all of those reasons are, I don't think any corporation would like to put themselves in the position of making an obsolete decision just days after the changes that make it obsolete happen. What major corporation would possibly want to find themselves in that position at CES? Huh, Mr. Gates, do you have any idea who, or are you too busy rewriting your keynote? Chris

01-05-2008, 09:25 PM	#17
BluFett Member Member since:Dec 2007	I call BS too.

01-05-2008, 09:28 PM	#18
gandley Special Member Member since:Feb 2007 Location:The Drowning Pool	Let Fox put the record straight. truth is we dont know. It could be a half truth. Wait for fox to come clean.

01-05-2008, 09:28 PM	#19
Seretur Special Member Member since:Jul 2007 Location:An Island in the Adriatic Blu-ray collection:521 Blu-ray reviews:5 Trading Score:2	Oh, I also think the Fox leaving rumor was BS. But I also think that the MPEG-2 press release is bollocks. There's captures of Man on Fire already on AVS (hey, it's safe to go there again!) that show it's an AVC encode, despite the press release. Noone in their right mind would choose MPEG-2 for authoring at this stage.

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