HD DVD: 5 stages of grieving a dying format

[buckshot]

I was noticing a trend with hd dvd supporters since I bought my ps3 and started looking at various forums (of which I only post on this one). I'm no psychiatrist but I see a similarity between their arguments and the five stages of grief. These are not direct quotes, but merely a summary of what I routinely see and hear.

1: denial

Well the problems with hd dvd playback are no worse than blu ray.

Blu-ray may have the most studio support, but universal is the best studio ever. Because they're on our side.

The lower bitrate, inadequate storage capacity and ease of damage mean nothing....because....uummm.....we have universal.

Blu-ray is selling more because of those coupons and those stupid ps3's. That's cheating. What? The 5 hd dvd u get with a player purchase? I don't know what you are talking about.

2: anger

I would have a refference here but there are to many. Just look at any post that brings truth into the discussion about hidef formats, and u will run into a lot of anger

3: Bargaining

Dual format releases. Could warner bros. Dabbling in the idea be funded by an unnamed hd dvd supporter with shadow funding and a history of shady dealings?

Can't both formats coexist? Just make every studio neutral. Come on. Pleeeeeaaase.

4: Depression (still to come)

''why did I waste so much time, money, online bullying (avs), and karma defending this?'' as they throw their xbox add ons off a building.

5: acceptance (still to come)

Buying a ps3 or the probable xbox blu-ray add on that will eventually come out.

[Blu_Ray_UK2007]

Nice post, seems to be true.
We all seem to mention the "hippys" of the format war.. who think both formats can co-exist peacefully

[k20king]

lol

[The Don]

they never try to prove that HD-DVD is better....they instead try to prove that BD is just as bad as HD-DVD or that HD-DVD is just as good as BD...

we have facts as to why BD is vastly superior.....

they have Universal....

[Forresttheman]

Originally Posted by Blu_Ray_UK2007

Nice post, seems to be true.
We all seem to mention the "hippys" of the format war.. who think both formats can co-exist peacefully

who thinks they can co-exist?

[Jonalan34]

Good thing I am not one of them whose are going through these stage. He is correct because I have seen some of them complaining or make comments. All I did was rolleyes, .

Simiple thing are that we cannot get what we want at all time. And all they want to think which is impossible and wishful thinking, as desperate.

All I care that we are early adopters and we made our own choices, accept it and live it.

Why would they want to prove BD is bad? That is silly, we are in early stage and we are early adopters and BD are still good and better. It dont matter which side I am on and I am neutral. Of course, you know which one is winner format that I am on side in the distance future.

There will be no peace between these two camps. It cannot be co-exist peacefully. Because there are many sides, fake neutral as cover it up because they are desperated, HD DVD supporter, true neutral format which dont care about it and will make better choice than buy standalone in early war, for example gaming consoles and add-on, and true neutral would get standalone on winner format only, which I am one of them, and Blu-ray supportors which have a bit larger audience than HD DVD side.

Both does better than DVD, but only one format will come out top in few years or soon. It wont be long before war end between both formats because time is moving faster than you can imagine.

Enjoy your High Definition movies, I am look forward to watch Blu-ray movies later this month when I get Playstation 3.

May the peace be with your mind while there is conflicts and chaos and rants between both camps.

Thanks for welcome and be peaceful with me on this forums and be helpful on some blu-ray player decision and another things. I appericate it so much. Look forward to share my experience with playstation 3 with ya guys this summer.

[dakota81]

There are many other things that could easily fit in there:

-the pron industry decides the victor (and many still believe there's no pron on blu-ray...)
-Once Wal*Mart and their Chinese players arrive, the war will be over in HD-DVD's favor
-There are no must have blu-ray exclusives (yet the top 5 movies from 2006 are *all* blu-ray exclusives)
-SD is good enough for FOX & Disney titles
-People only support blu-ray to justify the outrageous amount they spent on their PS3
-Support from Studio Canal is more important than support from FOX, Disney, Sony, and Lionsgate put together
-No content is better than supporting a corporation like Sony

[marzetta7]

Originally Posted by Blu_Ray_UK2007

Nice post, seems to be true.
We all seem to mention the "hippys" of the format war.. who think both formats can co-exist peacefully

Hahaha.

[buckshot]

Originally Posted by Jonalan34

Good thing I am not one of them whose are going through these stage. He is correct because I have seen some of them complaining or make comments. All I did was rolleyes, .

Simiple thing are that we cannot get what we want at all time. And all they want to think which is impossible and wishful thinking, as desperate.

All I care that we are early adopters and we made our own choices, accept it and live it.

Why would they want to prove BD is bad? That is silly, we are in early stage and we are early adopters and BD are still good and better. It dont matter which side I am on and I am neutral. Of course, you know which one is winner format that I am on side in the distance future.

There will be no peace between these two camps. It cannot be co-exist peacefully. Because there are many sides, fake neutral as cover it up because they are desperated, HD DVD supporter, true neutral format which dont care about it and will make better choice than buy standalone in early war, for example gaming consoles and add-on, and true neutral would get standalone on winner format only, which I am one of them, and Blu-ray supportors which have a bit larger audience than HD DVD side.

Both does better than DVD, but only one format will come out top in few years or soon. It wont be long before war end between both formats because time is moving faster than you can imagine.

Enjoy your High Definition movies, I am look forward to watch Blu-ray movies later this month when I get Playstation 3.

May the peace be with your mind while there is conflicts and chaos and rants between both camps.

Thanks for welcome and be peaceful with me on this forums and be helpful on some blu-ray player decision and another things. I appericate it so much. Look forward to share my experience with playstation 3 with ya guys this summer.

wow. that was a very civil greeting. hello and welcome.

another thing I forgot to put under the denial phase was something I addressed in another thread which lead me to write out this whole thread.

the coupons mean very little if anything to overrall bluray sales. I have not seen any of the couponed (new word?) bd's in the list of top blu-ray sellers. I may be wrong. but I wouldn't say it if I thought I was wrong.

[calgarymarc]

I agree and don't believe the coupons have much (if any) significance in determining the overall statistics between Blu-ray and HD-DVD movie sales. I am a Canadian, and there was no coupon booklet included with the purchase of the PS3 - Day 1 purchase.

If you take a look at my BD collection (link below), all discs were purchased with cash (or credit, hehe ) and it's growing strong.

Current tally is 85 Blu-ray discs for me, and growing weekly.

Everyday is a new day in the life of Blu-ray! Constant support (by whatever means necessary) will determine the outcome of this outrageous format war.

Viva Blu-ray!

[buckshot]

Originally Posted by calgarymarc

I agree and don't believe the coupons have much (if any) significance in determining the overall statistics between Blu-ray and HD-DVD movie sales. I am a Canadian, and there was no coupon booklet included with the purchase of the PS3 - Day 1 purchase.

If you take a look at my BD collection (link below), all discs were purchased with cash (or credit, hehe ) and it's growing strong.

Current tally is 85 Blu-ray discs for me, and growing weekly.

Everyday is a new day in the life of Blu-ray! Constant support (by whatever means necessary) will determine the outcome of this outrageous format war.

Viva Blu-ray!

I had a devious thought after I posted my last response. with this fierce buyathons and loyalty buying going on who really wins in this war?

amazon.com
best buy
frys

just an epiphany I had.

[GTP]

My stages went something like this.

1 I bought an HD-A1 5 days before launch, managed to buy a couple of movies before launch.
Only to find the player had to sync several times on my pj before actually being able to watch the movie.
Every time I pushed stop or menu....yep more re-syncing.
Was asked on both players after inserting an sd dvd....which version of do I want to view?
HD or SD?


Then the freezing and player lock up started in and I started to feel a bit silly about buying it.

The fan bois said...despite 42% reporting problems with their players...that I was just one of the unlucky minority....get another ..there cheap.
So I got another...this time an RCA version with an upgraded firmware from the original twin HD-A1 version.
Only to have the same exact thing happen again.

The only plus to owning an hd dvd player was that you could pop real popcorn in the time it took to load and play a movie....so no need to nuke it

Fanbois....nope you and the others that bought from 2-4 defective players can't vote again in the defective player poll.
Try another or wait for the firmware that will make your player perfect like ours are.

2 Screw that noise....sold all 24 titles and will never look back.

BD has been a breath of fresh air in comparrison....and it only took me two irratating steps to figure out that hd dvd was a pretender...and there is only one contender.

As far as the hippies go....lets send Cartman to their dual format loving communes.

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by Jonalan34

There will be no peace between these two camps. It cannot be co-exist peacefully. Because there are many sides, fake neutral as cover it up because they are desperated, HD DVD supporter, true neutral format which dont care about it and will make better choice than buy standalone in early war, for example gaming consoles and add-on, and true neutral would get standalone on winner format only, which I am one of them, and Blu-ray supportors which have a bit larger audience than HD DVD side.

Great post.

True neutrality is difficult. When faced with a Warner or Paramount title purchase what would someone do to stay truelly neutral? Flip a coin?

Some would choose HD DVD because of better audio on Warner, and VC-1 on Paramount. Others would choose the format giving less trouble during playback (Blu-ray generally has far fewer playback complaints than HD DVD).

Gary

[Jonalan34]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

Great post.

True neutrality is difficult. When faced with a Warner or Paramount title purchase what would someone do to stay truelly neutral? Flip a coin?

Some would choose HD DVD because of better audio on Warner, and VC-1 on Paramount. Others would choose the format giving less trouble during playback (Blu-ray generally has far fewer playback complaints than HD DVD).

Gary

Yes, it is so true that it is too difficult to be neutral when faced double dipped same title on both side. Some people like me, when have player or add-on, they would get HD DVD but not buy all of them, only few of them in order to play it smart.

But when you have PS3 and Xbox 360 add-on, which can become more difficult to decide whichever I would buy format on this title.

For example, Planet Earth, I was lean toward HD DVD verison but now I change mind and want it on Blu-ray instead right now. Because I am going have Playstation 3 soon. It is like coin filp in my own mind, but always plan ahead of time and you will see outcome result based on decision since being true neutral intend to change mind back and forward between two formats. Just follow the heart and it will lead and my hand will grab it and that is final decision. I believe I could have Planet Earth on Blu-ray, first Warner Bros title on Blu-ray by July. Blood Diamond will earn it to my Blu-ray collection. Matrix will earn it to both format.

So far I had no compliant or issues with my HD DVD, which some hardcore fan have issue, but I am start try to balance it out and slow down HD DVD, I haven't got alot of HD DVD last few months. Only few future titles like Dante's Peak, Matrix Ulitmate because I cannot wait and I ll double dip Matrix. I would double dip some paramount titles and Warner Bros for Blu-ray only. Blu-ray is very long list for me to caught up into my collection that I want to make purchase this year. Because my collections are off balance, and Blu-ray got to caught up to reach 70 or 75 to make it balance in my collection.

If I get Blu-ray from Warner Bros or Paramount, there will be no double dip for HD DVD. I do not plan to do double dip my collection from Warner Bros and Paramount that I have on HD DVD until later this year.

Decision is not always easy, but in the end, either good choice or bad choice, I earned it to enjoy watch movies in High Definition.

My advice, if you have it on Blu-ray, you do not have to worry about double dip it.

For Blu-ray people, just be happy what you have and you don't have to get HD DVD, unless you are true neutral and just want experience hd as early adopter like me.

People who buy standalone on HD DVD, it put them in burden on cost because if it fails, they waste money on standalone. Reason I do same way Mircosoft did with Xbox 360, keep HD DVD seperate from Xbox 360 and I use add-on because it is better safe than sorry. Mircosoft do not want to put in Xbox 360, because if HD DVD lose battle and the cost put huge burden on Mirosoft for puting HD DVD into xbox 360 machine. They want to play it safe by keep current format, DVD until there is winner of format. I know that Mircosoft have different direction of their own goal, but it can changes. They always keep door open for Blu-ray add-on. But I don't think I would get it since I would have Playstation 3, better than nothing.

The reason that I get Playstation 3 because of no standalone player are up to meet requirement of BD-Rom 1.1 and up. Playstation have abilites to update its firmware to keep it run in a long run.

Have a wonderful weekend! Bleep! It is only 25 days or 23 days away for me to grab PS3 and set it up and update it with firmware then watch first Blu-ray movie of my 24 Blu-ray movies in my collection, X-Men Last Stand.

[jubaiweaponx]

i have accepted my format and for all the hddvd zealots out there if BD is ignorance ,ignorance is bliss ,hell give me the( blu) pill and plug my ass back into the matrix,hahaha

[Spankey]

I knew when I decided to "go blu", that I was not making any kind of emotional decision. It was easy. Blu-ray had the better specs, studio and manufacturing support. Storage space was the key tech spec. Anyone involved in DVD as part of a true home theater hobby, saw the problems lack of storage space caused. Poor encoding due to low bit starvation. Half bit-rate audio tracks. Movies being split across two discs. With HD, I wanted none of it.

HD-DVD is already cutting corners in ways that it tood DVD years to discover. Low bit rate VC-1. Lack of HD extras. Rare lossless audio tracks.

The HD-DVD supporter is in this for some emotional reason, whether it be an irrational hatred of a consumer electronics company, the desire to see "the little guy" win, etc. Nothing to do with delivering the best home theater experience.

When and HD-DVD person goes "neutral", they are really saying that they do not have faith that HD-DVD will be the dominant format. The HD-DVD price argument no longer holds up as they have now bought a "more expensive" blu-ray player along with their HD-DVD player.

Blu-ray has delivered on almost evrything it promised. I love reading stories from HD-DVD converts who realize they bought into a bunch of BS, that had no basis in reality. They won't admit it, but the FUD worked on them.

[nobody]

Originally Posted by sltmag

The HD-DVD supporter is in this for some emotional reason, whether it be an irrational hatred of a consumer electronics company, the desire to see "the little guy" win, etc. Nothing to do with delivering the best home theater experience.

I so agree...

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by sltmag

I knew when I decided to "go blu", that I was not making any kind of emotional decision. It was easy. Blu-ray had the better specs, studio and manufacturing support.

Over two years ago I stated my criteria for choosing:

(1) Studio support
(2) CE support
(3) Computer uses

How could I have chosen HD DVD?

Originally Posted by sltmag

The HD-DVD supporter is in this for some emotional reason, whether it be an irrational hatred of a consumer electronics company, the desire to see "the little guy" win, etc. Nothing to do with delivering the best home theater experience.

Funny how an alliance of one of the biggest corporations on the planet (Microsoft) and one of the largest CE companies (Toshiba) is considered the "the little guy".

Gary

[Stuie]

Originally Posted by The Don

they never try to prove that HD-DVD is better....they instead try to prove that BD is just as bad as HD-DVD or that HD-DVD is just as good as BD...

we have facts as to why BD is vastly superior.....

they have Universal....

Very true my man.

[dadkins]

Originally Posted by sltmag

The HD-DVD supporter is in this for some emotional reason, whether it be an irrational hatred of a consumer electronics company...

.

Yep! See it all the time about Sony.
Sony whoops a$$!

Originally Posted by sltmag

Blu-ray has delivered on almost evrything it promised. I love reading stories from HD-DVD converts who realize they bought into a bunch of BS, that had no basis in reality. They won't admit it, but the FUD worked on them.

Yeppers! Blu-ray is intense!
Me, with this laptop, having a 1920x1200 screen(XBRITE) more or less point-blank... trust me!
The picture rocks!

Playback? I have had 1(one) issue that was fixed by me going to Sony Support and getting the BD Drive firmware update.

Blu-ray owns!