Pinocchio Aspect Ratio - Blu-ray Forum

CptGreedle · 10-20-2008, 06:23 PM

On the Sleeping Beauty Blu-ray, there is a trailer for Pinocchio, which we heard was just announced with details on the release for March.
However, the trailer is in a 4:3 ratio, aka 1.33. I thought this was just a trailer they threw on from the DVD, but then I start to think...
Wide screen movies were made to compete against television. To get a better experience in the theater, and hence worth spending the money to see a movie out, the screens and movies were made in a wider aspect ratio. Eventually they got a little crazy with cinema-scope, and some other wider formats, but usually modern films are made at 2.39:1 or 1.85:1. I realized that Pinocchio was released in 1940, making it almost 70 years old, and that is old enough for the OAR to NOT be wide screen.
I did a little sleuthing and found that Pinocchio was originally released in 1.37:1 aspect ratio, just slightly wider than the standard 4:3 TV.
So now I think the trailer WAS in HD... since it was very high quality despite the aspect ratio.
I guess what I am asking is, is this really going to be a 1.37:1, non-wide screen release? Or is it possible I am mistaken or something?

I will still get this, but I can see the complaining starting already. "Why isn't this HD? What happened to the wide screen? What's with the black boxes? Is my TV broken?" etc.etc.etc...

a-mac2848 · 10-20-2008, 06:25 PM

pinocchio from everything i have seen will be 4:3 1080p.

The old TDTESS is also 4:3 and is due out in Dec.

Blu-News · 10-20-2008, 06:27 PM

Pinocchio Blu-ray will also feature DisneyView, which takes up the whole screen via frames replacing the black bars.

bajor27 · 10-20-2008, 06:27 PM

Yep. Pinocchio is not widescreen and Disney thankfully was convinced many years ago that collectors want films in their OARs

CptGreedle · 10-20-2008, 06:30 PM

I am glad they are not going to morph it then to make it wide screen.
I just fear the complaints and confusion that will arise.
As for the Disney View, that is a great idea. I hope you can customize it, or at least chose from different panels to use. I like the idea of having something there to show people it is suppose to be in this aspect. Plus having something like the wood carving filigree used in the film would be nice.

SpikesBluBlooded · 10-20-2008, 06:55 PM

No matter what, you're going to see the film exactly as it was intended, in the Original Aspect Ratio. Like many other films that are not 1:85:1, there will be bars (more specifically, pillars) to fill in the missing screen area, just in this case they will be vertical instead of horizontal. You won't be missing anything, nor will you be experiencing the film in any way other than it was intended. In the end, that should be what we all aim for: a true theater experience at home. I for one can deal with the pillar issue...

monkeyjb1988 · 10-20-2008, 09:50 PM

Thank god it's being released at 1.37. The fight for films to be brought on DVD in their widescreen forms would've been a waste if film companies started releasing fullscreen films like Pinocchio in a fake widescreen. I'm glad Disney is making the right choice.

Deadset · 10-20-2008, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Blu-News

Pinocchio Blu-ray will also feature DisneyView, which takes up the whole screen via frames replacing the black bars.

That's good, It'll be interesting to see what they use for frames around the movie.

CheapChildren · 10-20-2008, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Deads3t

That's good, It'll be interesting to see what they use for frames around the movie.

Can't imagine it will be less distracting than black bars, haha.

MAPdead · 10-20-2008, 11:01 PM

I am looking forward to this release, I didn't pick up Sleeping Beauty ehh I don't know why I might just rent just to see how it looks.

richterbon23 · 10-21-2008, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by MAPdead

I am looking forward to this release, I didn't pick up Sleeping Beauty ehh I don't know why I might just rent just to see how it looks.

do yourself a favor and get it.... it is unreal

Sith · 10-21-2008, 01:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CptGreedle

On the Sleeping Beauty Blu-ray, there is a trailer for Pinocchio, which we heard was just announced with details on the release for March.
However, the trailer is in a 4:3 ratio, aka 1.33. I thought this was just a trailer they threw on from the DVD, but then I start to think...
Wide screen movies were made to compete against television. To get a better experience in the theater, and hence worth spending the money to see a movie out, the screens and movies were made in a wider aspect ratio. Eventually they got a little crazy with cinema-scope, and some other wider formats, but usually modern films are made at 2.39:1 or 1.85:1. I realized that Pinocchio was released in 1940, making it almost 70 years old, and that is old enough for the OAR to NOT be wide screen.
I did a little sleuthing and found that Pinocchio was originally released in 1.37:1 aspect ratio, just slightly wider than the standard 4:3 TV.
So now I think the trailer WAS in HD... since it was very high quality despite the aspect ratio.
I guess what I am asking is, is this really going to be a 1.37:1, non-wide screen release? Or is it possible I am mistaken or something?

I will still get this, but I can see the complaining starting already. "Why isn't this HD? What happened to the wide screen? What's with the black boxes? Is my TV broken?" etc.etc.etc...

It was in HD, but i believe i hit the select button on the ps3 and it said it was
mpeg2 during the previews..

ryoohki · 10-21-2008, 01:22 AM

2.35:1 black bar complainers
1.33:1 black bar complainers

HDTV is a not a win win situation

Sith · 10-21-2008, 01:44 AM

don't forget the original reason for widescreen t.v.'s was so we could watch
movies the WAY they were made.....But not ALL movies were made that way..

Ferris · 10-21-2008, 01:10 PM

Thank goodness for Disney's respect for O.A.R.

SBrooks1 · 10-21-2008, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by FriedEggs

Thank goodness for Disney's respect for O.A.R.

Amen

CptGreedle · 10-21-2008, 02:05 PM

Hey, I'm not complaining! Just making sure it was really an HD preview (since it looks like it but was not widescreen).
I am ALWAYS for OAR, I have been since widescreen DVDs started coming out!
Losing image, be it horizontally or vertically, is always a bad thing.
I just suspect people will still complain, but I hope not.
Pinocchio is one of my favorite films, and I am thrilled, again, that Disney is doing it right.
Sleeping Beauty is AMAZING! The quality in the sound is astounding! I have already seen it twice and want to show it to everyone! One of my close friends watched it with us last time, and she was almost in tears over how amazing it was. She is so use to the low quality sound pan and scan DVD. The one with the loud high pitched hiss. When she saw and heard it like this, she was just flabbergasted.

GO DISNEY!

Ernest Rister · 10-21-2008, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by FriedEggs

Thank goodness for Disney's respect for O.A.R.

Thank goodness for film critics, film historians, and animation fans raising holy hell in 1987 when the Disney company -- for the 50th anniversary of Snow White -- released Snow White to theaters in 1.85:1, with the top and bottom of the 1.37:1 frame chopped off.

Starting with the re-release of Fantasia in 1990, Disney has respected the original intent of their artists for theatrical re-releases of classic titles. It should be noted that it has been touch and go with them for myriad titles on home video ever since. Scores of 80's and 90's live action titles have come to video in MAR, and some of these are heartbreaking. The Journey of Natty Gann - one of the finest live-action Disney films of the 80's, was shot in scope to befit the depression-era adventure of a broke teenage girl trying to make across the country to reunite with her father. It is only available on home video in 1.33:1. The list goes on and on.

So yes, the modern Disney company gives respect to their high-profile titles, its how they treat their below-the-radar titles that still ruffles some feathers.

jkwest · 10-21-2008, 03:45 PM

do we have any shots of these "DisneyView" bars? I wonder if they are going to put red curtains on the side to make it look like a theater...

Ernest Rister · 10-22-2008, 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jkwest

do we have any shots of these "DisneyView" bars? I wonder if they are going to put red curtains on the side to make it look like a theater...

Don't be too quick to believe what you read on message boards...

10-20-2008, 06:23 PM	#1
CptGreedle Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Sworn super-hero now services Atlanta (and suburbs). Blu-ray collection:128 Blu-ray reviews:5	Pinocchio Aspect Ratio On the Sleeping Beauty Blu-ray, there is a trailer for Pinocchio, which we heard was just announced with details on the release for March. However, the trailer is in a 4:3 ratio, aka 1.33. I thought this was just a trailer they threw on from the DVD, but then I start to think... Wide screen movies were made to compete against television. To get a better experience in the theater, and hence worth spending the money to see a movie out, the screens and movies were made in a wider aspect ratio. Eventually they got a little crazy with cinema-scope, and some other wider formats, but usually modern films are made at 2.39:1 or 1.85:1. I realized that Pinocchio was released in 1940, making it almost 70 years old, and that is old enough for the OAR to NOT be wide screen. I did a little sleuthing and found that Pinocchio was originally released in 1.37:1 aspect ratio, just slightly wider than the standard 4:3 TV. So now I think the trailer WAS in HD... since it was very high quality despite the aspect ratio. I guess what I am asking is, is this really going to be a 1.37:1, non-wide screen release? Or is it possible I am mistaken or something? I will still get this, but I can see the complaining starting already. "Why isn't this HD? What happened to the wide screen? What's with the black boxes? Is my TV broken?" etc.etc.etc...

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10-20-2008, 06:25 PM	#2
a-mac2848 Banned Member since:Feb 2008	pinocchio from everything i have seen will be 4:3 1080p. The old TDTESS is also 4:3 and is due out in Dec.

10-20-2008, 06:27 PM	#3
Blu-News Special Member Member since:Apr 2008 Blu-ray collection:371 Trading Score:232	Pinocchio Blu-ray will also feature DisneyView, which takes up the whole screen via frames replacing the black bars.

10-20-2008, 06:27 PM	#4
bajor27 Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Nov 2007 Location:BC, Canada Blu-ray collection:1031 DVD collection:2 Trading Score:5	Yep. Pinocchio is not widescreen and Disney thankfully was convinced many years ago that collectors want films in their OARs

10-20-2008, 06:30 PM	#5
CptGreedle Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Sworn super-hero now services Atlanta (and suburbs). Blu-ray collection:128 Blu-ray reviews:5	I am glad they are not going to morph it then to make it wide screen. I just fear the complaints and confusion that will arise. As for the Disney View, that is a great idea. I hope you can customize it, or at least chose from different panels to use. I like the idea of having something there to show people it is suppose to be in this aspect. Plus having something like the wood carving filigree used in the film would be nice.

10-20-2008, 06:55 PM	#6
SpikesBluBlooded Special Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Orlando, FL Blu-ray collection:719 Trading Score:1	No matter what, you're going to see the film exactly as it was intended, in the Original Aspect Ratio. Like many other films that are not 1:85:1, there will be bars (more specifically, pillars) to fill in the missing screen area, just in this case they will be vertical instead of horizontal. You won't be missing anything, nor will you be experiencing the film in any way other than it was intended. In the end, that should be what we all aim for: a true theater experience at home. I for one can deal with the pillar issue...

10-20-2008, 09:50 PM	#7
monkeyjb1988 Expert Member Member since:Aug 2008 Blu-ray collection:188 Digital collection:11 Blu-ray reviews: 16	Thank god it's being released at 1.37. The fight for films to be brought on DVD in their widescreen forms would've been a waste if film companies started releasing fullscreen films like Pinocchio in a fake widescreen. I'm glad Disney is making the right choice.

10-20-2008, 11:01 PM	#10
MAPdead Power Member Member since:Jun 2008 Location:North Carolina 4K collection:918 Blu-ray collection:2683 Blu-ray reviews:23	I am looking forward to this release, I didn't pick up Sleeping Beauty ehh I don't know why I might just rent just to see how it looks.

10-21-2008, 01:22 AM	#13
ryoohki Blu-ray Samurai Member since:May 2007 Home Theater Gallery:6 Blu-ray collection:6 Blu-ray reviews:8 Trading Score:5	2.35:1 black bar complainers 1.33:1 black bar complainers HDTV is a not a win win situation

10-21-2008, 01:44 AM	#14
Sith Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Dec 2007 Location:Seal Beach, CA Blu-ray collection:168	don't forget the original reason for widescreen t.v.'s was so we could watch movies the WAY they were made.....But not ALL movies were made that way..

10-21-2008, 01:10 PM	#15
Ferris Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Tampa Bay Area Blu-ray collection:79 Trading Score:1	Thank goodness for Disney's respect for O.A.R.

10-21-2008, 02:05 PM	#17
CptGreedle Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Sworn super-hero now services Atlanta (and suburbs). Blu-ray collection:128 Blu-ray reviews:5	Hey, I'm not complaining! Just making sure it was really an HD preview (since it looks like it but was not widescreen). I am ALWAYS for OAR, I have been since widescreen DVDs started coming out! Losing image, be it horizontally or vertically, is always a bad thing. I just suspect people will still complain, but I hope not. Pinocchio is one of my favorite films, and I am thrilled, again, that Disney is doing it right. Sleeping Beauty is AMAZING! The quality in the sound is astounding! I have already seen it twice and want to show it to everyone! One of my close friends watched it with us last time, and she was almost in tears over how amazing it was. She is so use to the low quality sound pan and scan DVD. The one with the loud high pitched hiss. When she saw and heard it like this, she was just flabbergasted. GO DISNEY!

10-21-2008, 03:45 PM	#19
jkwest Off-Topic King Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Northern California PSN Id: jkwest5 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:20	do we have any shots of these "DisneyView" bars? I wonder if they are going to put red curtains on the side to make it look like a theater...

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