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Blu-ray Knight
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Blu-ray Knight
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While it is nice to see Kino not presenting The Country Girl full screen, 1.66:1 isn't right. The Boxoffice magazine review from December 1954 says it was shown at 1.85:1.
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Blu-ray Knight
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Grace Kelly presenting the awards for Best Documentary Short Subject and Best Documentary Feature at the 1955 Oscars [go to 14:29 in the video]:
Grace Kelly winning the Best Actress award at the 1955 Oscars (presented by William Holden): George Seaton winning the Best Screenplay award at the 1955 Oscars (presented by Audrey Hepburn) [go to 3:06 in the video]: |
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I literally just bought this...
With a 1954 release date, while it's possibly KL just got it wrong, it's also possible that it was one of those early widescreen movies where it could've worked at multiple ARs (usually 1.37, 1.66, and 1.85). There was one movie that either KL or Imprint dropped where you could literally see the marks on the element where the projectionist could line up the matte wherever they wanted it, and I believe it was from 1954. Also, this was the movie where Grace Kelly beat Judy Garland's role in A Star Is Born for Best Actress. Garland had just delivered Joey Luft, and a television crew was in her hospital room with cameras and wires to broadcast her anticipated acceptance speech. When Kelly won instead, the camera crew began packing up before Kelly could even reach the stage. Groucho Marx then sent Garland a telegram after the ceremony that said "Dear Judy, this is the biggest robbery since Brink's". Nonetheless, it's great to have this movie on Blu-ray, even if it is missing the documentary from the Imprint disc. Now if only WB could finally give us High Society, we'd be set. |
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Thanks given by: | Afriendofours (08-09-2024) |
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Blu-ray Baron
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The Hollywood Collection documentaries are all officially on YouTube, so which release to go for is down to preference over aspect ratio or region coding.
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Really excited about this one! William Holden is my favorite actor, so I'm trying to watch all of this movies and this one seems right up my alley.
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Blu-ray Knight
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Hopefully when Warner Archive gets around to releasing High Society (or any one of her other MGM/Warner Bros movies) on blu-ray, they include MGM's 1956 "The Wedding In Monaco" featurette as an extra.
Poster: ![]() An advertisement for it that appeared in Boxoffice magazine (May 5, 1956) and Motion Picture Exhibitor (May 9, 1956): ![]() https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/vi...fice-may051956 https://archive.org/details/motionpi...e/n53/mode/2up |
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May 2024
Los Angeles, CA
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You're absolutely right about the aspect ratios. The OAR for films from the 1950s are tricky to determine sometimes (especially between 53-54), and unfortunately you can't always trust that printed material is correct. Sometimes you have to use your eyes to make the call. I worked on this film, and believe it or not, we originally framed it for 1.85! However, when we reviewed it, everything just looked wrong. The shots felt crowded and tight, as if the film had been zoomed in. When it was reframed for 1.66 the shots looked properly composed. In the 50s, people probably saw it in different aspect ratios depending on the theater's screen shape/size. Nevertheless, the film has never looked this good and thank you to Kino for giving it the release it deserves! |
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Is the current DVD of the Country Girl, from Paramount (in the USA that is) in the wrong aspect ratio??
I have the KL blu pre ordered, as I am a major fan of Grace's and Bill Holden's. I admit I was unaware there was something wrong with the dvd presentation, all this time? Apart from the AR, it's got so many specks on the print, almost unwatchable. I was thinking of keeping it, for a backup, but it looks so distracting and if presented in the wrong AR then its certianly a tosser. |
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My wife and I watched Kino's release of "The Country Girl" last evening. I can't believe I've never seen this film until now. From a blind-buy perspective, I felt I couldn't go wrong with Bing, Grace and Holden. I wasn't disappointed. It was fascinating to see both Bing and Grace portraying characters that they wouldn't normally tackle. Holden was very good as well - but the character, Dodd, is in his wheelhouse.
I'm not an expert on reviewing blu-ray transfers, but Kino's release of "The Country Girl" looks VERY nice and clean. Only a few times does the overall crispness subside slightly. And only for a few seconds. I'm not an authority of the history of the film's 1.37:1 (negative?) to 1.85:1 (intended?) aspect ratio. But this is definitely presented in 1.66:1. I had not seen the film prior, so the 1.66:1 did not detract from my viewing pleasure. I've not had a chance to listen to the commentary yet. |
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Nov 2013
Northwest Arkansas
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Just watched Kino's release of this and it looked and sounded fantastic. The framing didn't bother me at all but in the past I have only seen and owned the Paramount VHS from the 1990s. Still, a worthwhile release for fans of the film and its cast.
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Blu-ray Samurai
Jun 2012
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When determining the correct aspect ratio intended by the creative team behind the camera, you must go by studio policy at the time of production. You cannot go by release date.
Paramount converted to 100% widescreen production in March 1953 and this title went before the cameras in February 1954. These articles will answer your questions. https://web.archive.org/web/20190207...-of-widescreen https://web.archive.org/web/20190207...-documentation |
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Northwest Arkansas
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Here's a lengthy explanation for using the 1.66.1 AR from Charlotte Barker, the Director of Film Preservation and Restoration at Paramount who oversaw the decision: link. For those without Linkedin, here's the text.
[Show spoiler] From my perspective, her reasoning makes sense. Having seen both the 1.37 and 1.66 versions, it's clear this was one of those films with flex framing meant to accommodate theaters that both had and had not made the changeover to widescreen, which is proven by one of the documents she shared (see below). Additionally, I can easily see how some shots look overly cramped in 1.85. ![]() Last edited by noirjunkie; 11-13-2024 at 02:16 AM. |
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Blu-ray Samurai
Jun 2012
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We've run into this exact same issue on occasion, especially with films that were photographed in the second half of 1953. Two that come to mind: GOG and THE GLASS WEB. GOG was recommended for exhibition in 1:85 but 1:66 worked best, and GLASS WEB was recommended for 2:1 but 1:85 was correct. You have to pay VERY close attention to the composition and camera movement. |
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