Greek subtitles on Region B Blu-ray discs? Why only from Sony?

[spyrmak]

i would like inform you


that companies involved in blu ray disc production do not put greek subtitles in their blu ray's


only sony pictures does


fox has only one with greek subs
(fantastic four2: silver surfer)



no greek subtitles: no blu ray rentals!!!


only buying and only internet orders or imports.


that's a pitty. why do they have french or spanish or german?


why not greek?

[MarkGubarenko]

yeah. and why not russian )))

[WickyWoo]

Because a different distributor owns the title in those areas

[w_tanoto]

depends which country it is. I am always looking for french track. DIsney releases small number of french track in UK, but you can get it from US or France. If you buy it from greece, i'm sure greek subs will be included

[Anthony P]

w_tanoto I think he is saying he is buying them from outside of Greece and would like Greek subs.

[spyrmak]

i buy from a store that brings them from abroad...


imports...


and they do not have greek subs. if they had you would be able to find them in every video store and you wouldn't need to buy all the discs you want to watch. you would rent.


there is also a petition for greek subs in BR

http://www.petitiononline.com/grsubs/petition-sign.html

(the petition is fr greek subs in br and hd dvd but i am jst interested in blu)

(i hope it is not decision of the companies not to put greek subs any more in their movies and that it is only for now- maybe they are still waiting for the blu market to grow...)

but with no subtitles... no rentals. i never bought a dvd because i was renting them

with blu it is different (at least for now)

sony pictures does put greek subs and that's why the big stores that sell- rent br are full of them.

[Wreck]

Originally Posted by spyrmak

that's a pitty. why do they have french or spanish or german why not greek?

Cause more people speak spanish french and german.

[DS1975]

Originally Posted by spyrmak

i buy from a store that brings them from abroad...


imports...


and they do not have greek subs. if they had you would be able to find them in every video store and you wouldn't need to buy all the discs you want to watch. you would rent.


there is also a petition for greek subs in BR

http://www.petitiononline.com/grsubs/petition-sign.html

(the petition is fr greek subs in br and hd dvd but i am jst interested in blu)

(i hope it is not decision of the companies not to put greek subs any more in their movies and that it is only for now- maybe they are still waiting for the blu market to grow...)

but with no subtitles... no rentals. i never bought a dvd because i was renting them

with blu it is different (at least for now)

sony pictures does put greek subs and that's why the big stores that sell- rent br are full of them.

Come on, there are hundreds of languages around the World! Now if they all want their language represented on every Disc then we need bigger cover art!
Seriously that's something for the Greek Distributors to ask - I'm sure nobody here will know the right answer to that question!

[WickyWoo]

Your petition is useless. It willbe ignored

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/petition/internet.asp

The companies making Blu-ray right now do not have rights to the films in Greece, therefore no matter how much you beg, you're not getting your subtitles. You have to nag whoever puts them out in greece to start making Blus.

[Kristin Simard]

Frankly, I think Greek and Russian subtitles should be available on all major releases, along with EN FR ES IT DE. Perhaps some of the E. Indian and Chinese languages, too. And Arabic. Why not?

[WickyWoo]

Frankly, I think Greek and Russian subtitles should be available on all major releases, along with EN FR ES IT DE. Perhaps some of the E. Indian and Chinese languages, too. And Arabic. Why not?

Because if they don't own the rights in those countries, they're not going to support it there.

[Kristin Simard]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

Because if they don't own the rights in those countries, they're not going to support it there.

Listen, they really need to re-think the licensing and legalities to keep up with the new technology. For the first time there is a home video technology that can truly be universal and they let little pieces of paper and lawyers interfere with that.

[w_tanoto]

Originally Posted by BigBLUballz

Cause more people speak spanish french and german.

I'm one of them (who can do french).. Can't do greek (but can read greek script)

[Kristin Simard]

IMO

The studios are still using a 20th century marketing paradigm for a 21st century technology. They need to step up to the 21st century and allow for universal applications of BD technology.

It does not take much space on a disc to put in subtitles. Also, subtitles are one thing that could be downloaded into the home server, allowing subtitles in any language to be applied to BD movies.

There is no reason why zone coding should continue any further into 21st century BD technology. They just need to rethink this.

This is coming from a woman who understands several languages and actually prefers not reading subtitles (which are usually a condensed approximation at best). That is, in translation subtitles something is always lost from the original language.

[Anthony P]

It is not a matter of marketing. Let me put it this way if I came to your home and decided "you don't really use your lawnmower or shovel or hammer or...., so I will just take it because and use it" would that make sense? Different companies paid to have the rights for something. They are the "customer", they will release when they do, if the other company says "who cares, I will add Language N (be it subs or dubs) in essence they are stealing from their neighbour. These agreements happen for different reasons, sometimes it is area, sometimes it is languages, sometimes it is features (like Criterion) sometimes it is formats. The thing is at the end of the day you have to respect the contract you signed be it 21, 20, 30 or 10 century.

These exist because sometimes a studio is too small and can’t afford to have someone full time doing dubs for the three movies they release every year for that small market (like Greek). Other times it is because a movie is too big and the main studio decides it does not want to risk the full budget (Like Bruce almighty which was Universal in the US/Canada but Disney in Europe)

[Kristin Simard]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

It is not a matter of marketing. Let me put it this way if I came to your home and decided "you don't really use your lawnmower or shovel or hammer or...., so I will just take it because and use it" would that make sense? Different companies paid to have the rights for something. They are the "customer", they will release when they do, if the other company says "who cares, I will add Language N (be it subs or dubs) in essence they are stealing from their neighbour. These agreements happen for different reasons, sometimes it is area, sometimes it is languages, sometimes it is features (like Criterion) sometimes it is formats. The thing is at the end of the day you have to respect the contract you signed be it 21, 20, 30 or 10 century.

These exist because sometimes a studio is too small and can’t afford to have someone full time doing dubs for the three movies they release every year for that small market (like Greek). Other times it is because a movie is too big and the main studio decides it does not want to risk the full budget (Like Bruce almighty which was Universal in the US/Canada but Disney in Europe)

You say it's not a matter of marketing then you outline a marketing structure defining it with the word "customer".

I see what you are saying, but some companies in the free market system have done well with distributing DVDs region free. Ruscico for example. Their discs are not licensed for sale within the former USSR, but there is no technological or software barrier to stop anyone from buying a disc in western Europe then taking it into the former USSR and playing it on any machine there. This should be the right of the owner of the disc.

Reading this forum, if it reflects the market demand in any way, it looks like the consumer is wanting region-free discs. There are numerous threads asking which zone is a BD release, or is it zone free.

There was a technological reason for the NTSC/PAL barrier, but not so for regions. There must have been a clean slate at one time, or else they would still be using the old DVD zone structure for Blu-rays.

I will continue to applaud, encourage and support any company that continues to release Blu-ray discs and players "all-zone" or "multi-region".

[Anthony P]

You say it's not a matter of marketing then you outline a marketing structure defining it with the word "customer".

you want to call it marketing then so be it. But the issue4 you miss is that if X made the movie and they don't have a (continuing with the above example) Greek version of the movie because Y made the translation and has the Greek version how do you want X to put it on their movie in the first place?

There was a technological reason for the NTSC/PAL barrier, but not so for regions. There must have been a clean slate at one time, or else they would still be using the old DVD zone structure for Blu-rays.

why did you need PAL, NTSC or SECAM or any of the other TV standards in the first place? why was there only one B&W standard in the world (which is why when you feed the wrong format to a display you get a B&W image) but all of a sudden with the advent of colour you needed several different ones? It was just as much a political reason as RC.

Their discs are not licensed for sale within the former USSR, but there is no technological or software barrier to stop anyone from buying a disc in western Europe then taking it into the former USSR and playing it on any machine there.

and the same is here. His issue is that there is no barrier from him importing them. The issue is that he has decided that he did not want the Languages on those disks but he wanted his own.

PS. spyrmak I hope all is well where you are- for those that don't know most of Greece was hit yesterday by a major snow storm and cold weather.