Why the theatrical version! - Blu-ray Forum

C6 Z06 · 12-06-2006, 03:52 PM

Just wondering why the backers of BR would put the short version(theatrical) of the film out instead of the extended cut. The only 2 I have so far are Kingdom of Heaven and Stargate. I want to buy many others and help the format surpass HD-DVD, but I will not buy the short version. Titles like T2, Tears of The Sun, Enemy of The State, The Punisher, Gone in 60 Seconds. With the capacity of BR and for promotion of the format, why not put out the best(IMHO) first? Maybe just another way of getting fools like me to buy it twice..................again!!

theknub · 12-06-2006, 04:01 PM

extended versions are fine and dandy, but they aren't necessairly the best.

take the extended version of gladiator. there really wasn't anything added by the new scenes. yeah, a few extra pieces of dialog, but that was about it. to be honest, i was disapointed. i expected some extra battle or something, but nothing. so, why didn't they? well, maybe hoping for a double dip as well as knowing that some of these titles extended didn't offer much or anything over the original (we're not talking about LOTR here

)

JTK · 12-06-2006, 04:05 PM

The so-called extended cuts of most, if not all of the movies the OP named really were negligible differences, at best.

In any event, I'm sure it's setting up the inevitable post format war double dip.

That's just how these things work.

C6 Z06 · 12-06-2006, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theknub

extended versions are fine and dandy, but they aren't necessairly the best.

take the extended version of gladiator. there really wasn't anything added by the new scenes. yeah, a few extra pieces of dialog, but that was about it. to be honest, i was disapointed. i expected some extra battle or something, but nothing. so, why didn't they? well, maybe hoping for a double dip as well as knowing that some of these titles extended didn't offer much or anything over the original (we're not talking about LOTR here

)

Yes, I would be very disappointed if LOTR was released non-extended. I guess I just feel like I am getting "more" for my $'s in the extended version.

JTK · 12-06-2006, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by C6 Z06

Yes, I would be very disappointed if LOTR was released non-extended. I guess I just feel like I am getting "more" for my $'s in the extended version.

On those? Definitely!

Josh · 12-06-2006, 04:11 PM

There can be a huge difference between "Extended Cuts" and "Director's Cuts". Sometimes, as with Lord of the Rings, they are one in the same. Other times, as with Black Hawk Down, they are completely different. For BHD, the "extended cut" was nothing more than a marketing ploy. The Theatrical version of the film should be considered the Director's Cut in this case. For Kingdom of Heaven, Fox brutally cut the film before release, and the Director's Cut - or how the director intended the film to look like - is what you now see on Blu-ray.

Make no mistake, there will be plenty of double-dipping if you are diehard about extras. The real question is if you can wait the estimated 3 years until they re-release (maybe even longer) or if you can just be happy with what is out there now. As for T2, how can you not own that disc?

dobyblue · 12-06-2006, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by theknub

extended versions are fine and dandy, but they aren't necessairly the best.
take the extended version of gladiator. there really wasn't anything added by the new scenes. yeah, a few extra pieces of dialog, but that was about it. to be honest, i was disapointed. i expected some extra battle or something, but nothing. so, why didn't they? well, maybe hoping for a double dip as well as knowing that some of these titles extended didn't offer much or anything over the original (we're not talking about LOTR here

)

Word! They also removed the DTS:ES 6.1 track for the Extended Cut which was an easy decision for me to make not to repurchase it.
Gladiator has one of the top ten DTS tracks available on DVD-Video.

FourToedStatue · 12-06-2006, 04:32 PM

I wish Lionsgate had gone with the unrated extended versions of Punisher and Saw.

C6 Z06 · 12-06-2006, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dobyblue

Word! They also removed the DTS:ES 6.1 track for the Extended Cut which was an easy decision for me to make not to repurchase it.
Gladiator has one of the top ten DTS tracks available on DVD-Video.

Yes, repurchase being the key word. How many times have I already repurchased the same move over and over!

WriteSimply · 12-06-2006, 05:59 PM

I have just one thing to say.

Longer doesn't mean better.

fuad

dialog_gvf · 12-06-2006, 11:25 PM

LOTR x3, Aliens, The Abyss, and Terminator 2 are all films where the extended edition is really the definitive version of the film.

With LOTR is important. With The Abyss the movie makes no sense without it.

But, slapping on a few minutes to call it a special edition isn't what the idea is all about. It's about giving the director the opportunity to present his movie without the usual limitations and pressures imposed by studios and theater owners wanting, to cram as many shows as possible into a day, or to fall under some arbitrary count of swear words or breasts to get a certain rating.

I means nothing if the director didn't give approval.

Gary

C6 Z06 · 12-07-2006, 02:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WriteSimply

I have just one thing to say.

Longer doesn't mean better.

fuad

My wife would agree............................................. ...but my girlfriend would not!!!

C6 Z06 · 12-07-2006, 02:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

LOTR x3, Aliens, The Abyss, and Terminator 2 are all films where the extended edition is really the definitive version of the film.

With LOTR is important. With The Abyss the movie makes no sense without it.

But, slapping on a few minutes to call it a special edition isn't what the idea is all about. It's about giving the director the opportunity to present his movie without the usual limitations and pressures imposed by studios and theater owners wanting, to cram as many shows as possible into a day, or to fall under some arbitrary count of swear words or breasts to get a certain rating.

I means nothing if the director didn't give approval.

Gary

I agree with your pick of titles where extended version is needed or works.

Zvi · 12-07-2006, 03:53 AM

I think T2 was because at the time they didn't have 50gb discs in mas production.
But, in general question is why they're not releasing major hits. I do consider T2 and T5thE major hits, but the way those were released on SL discs with problems sux0rz. I am sure T2 is coming in yet another extreme edition on BD 50, but not so sure about T5thE.

MFS3Kiryu · 12-07-2006, 04:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theknub

extended versions are fine and dandy, but they aren't necessairly the best.

take the extended version of gladiator. there really wasn't anything added by the new scenes. yeah, a few extra pieces of dialog, but that was about it. to be honest, i was disapointed. i expected some extra battle or something, but nothing. so, why didn't they? well, maybe hoping for a double dip as well as knowing that some of these titles extended didn't offer much or anything over the original (we're not talking about LOTR here

)

At least Ridley had the guts to tell you that in the intro. He said the extended cut was not his version of the movie, just some extra scenes the studio thought you'd want to pay to see.

However, for something like Kingdom of Heaven, which in the introduction calls the definitive director's cut of the film, it's important.

Also, for T2, I'm glad it's just the theatrical. I don't know of James Cameron decided to put back the cut scenes, but I really feel they screw with the pacing of the movie. Especially when they reset Arnold's chip, the extended parts of them trashing the office and the extra bits with Miles' family. The Kyle scene is alright.

For Aliens, LoTR, and a few others, its a must have though.

takezo · 12-07-2006, 07:39 AM

Sometimes scenes get cut out because it interupts the paceing of the movie or it just realy does not have much of a reason to be included in the final cut. Most scenes are deleted for a reason.

Extended cuts are usually found for movies that were limited by overall time restraints. So they just removed the little bits and peices that least impacted the story. The director's cut includes these scenes to get the true director's vision for the movie. Note that lots of scenes are still left on the cutting floor even on extended versions.

Other times expecially for horror movies, there are sceens that could change the rating the producers were aiming for. Extended unrated horror movies include sceens that would have changed the rating for the show which would have excluded a particular audience from wacthing it in the theatre.

Just look at Star Wars. Lucas Arts is scoring money on the Original Trillogy which is now void of all enhanced special effects from the special edition Trillogy. It just goes to show that newer is not always better. Extra sceens is not always better.

Blackraven · 12-07-2006, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WriteSimply

I have just one thing to say.

Longer doesn't mean better.

fuad

Of course their are always a few exceptions to the rule

It may apply for a few titles while may be counter-productive with the rest. Others are just the same whether it may be shorter or longer versions.

As for LOTR trilogy, LONGER IS ALWAYS BEST !!!

Knight-Errant · 12-07-2006, 02:12 PM

James Cameron does stand by the theatrical cut of T2 as mentioned in the commentary track.

Josh · 12-07-2006, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Knight-Errant

James Cameron does stand by the theatrical cut of T2 as mentioned in the commentary track.

Interesting. I don't feel so bad picking it up then

Zvi · 12-07-2006, 03:35 PM

Doesn't matter what J.C. stands for, especially after ha made Titanic

. IMHO extended version was better. Especially scenes with T1000 heat effects, when he was changing shapes and colors involuntarily

Didn't care much for other scenes, but switching T800 from readonly to readwrite mode was necessary too.

12-06-2006, 03:52 PM	#1
C6 Z06 Special Member Member since:Dec 2006 Location:Virginia 4K collection:427 Blu-ray collection:1695 Trading Score:18	Why the theatrical version! Just wondering why the backers of BR would put the short version(theatrical) of the film out instead of the extended cut. The only 2 I have so far are Kingdom of Heaven and Stargate. I want to buy many others and help the format surpass HD-DVD, but I will not buy the short version. Titles like T2, Tears of The Sun, Enemy of The State, The Punisher, Gone in 60 Seconds. With the capacity of BR and for promotion of the format, why not put out the best(IMHO) first? Maybe just another way of getting fools like me to buy it twice..................again!!

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12-06-2006, 04:01 PM	#2
theknub Blu-ray Guru Member since:May 2006	extended versions are fine and dandy, but they aren't necessairly the best. take the extended version of gladiator. there really wasn't anything added by the new scenes. yeah, a few extra pieces of dialog, but that was about it. to be honest, i was disapointed. i expected some extra battle or something, but nothing. so, why didn't they? well, maybe hoping for a double dip as well as knowing that some of these titles extended didn't offer much or anything over the original (we're not talking about LOTR here )

12-06-2006, 04:05 PM	#3
JTK Blu-ray Knight Member since:Jan 2006 Location:www.blurayoasis.com	The so-called extended cuts of most, if not all of the movies the OP named really were negligible differences, at best. In any event, I'm sure it's setting up the inevitable post format war double dip. That's just how these things work.

12-06-2006, 04:11 PM	#6
Josh Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Sep 2006 Home Theater Gallery:50 4K collection:37 Blu-ray collection:407 Digital collection:1 Blu-ray reviews: 15 Trading Score:34	There can be a huge difference between "Extended Cuts" and "Director's Cuts". Sometimes, as with Lord of the Rings, they are one in the same. Other times, as with Black Hawk Down, they are completely different. For BHD, the "extended cut" was nothing more than a marketing ploy. The Theatrical version of the film should be considered the Director's Cut in this case. For Kingdom of Heaven, Fox brutally cut the film before release, and the Director's Cut - or how the director intended the film to look like - is what you now see on Blu-ray. Make no mistake, there will be plenty of double-dipping if you are diehard about extras. The real question is if you can wait the estimated 3 years until they re-release (maybe even longer) or if you can just be happy with what is out there now. As for T2, how can you not own that disc?

12-06-2006, 04:32 PM	#8
FourToedStatue Active Member Member since:Sep 2006	I wish Lionsgate had gone with the unrated extended versions of Punisher and Saw.

12-06-2006, 05:59 PM	#10
WriteSimply Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Sep 2006 Location:Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia	I have just one thing to say. Longer doesn't mean better. fuad

12-06-2006, 11:25 PM	#11
dialog_gvf Moderator Member since:Nov 2006 Location:Toronto Blu-ray collection:320	LOTR x3, Aliens, The Abyss, and Terminator 2 are all films where the extended edition is really the definitive version of the film. With LOTR is important. With The Abyss the movie makes no sense without it. But, slapping on a few minutes to call it a special edition isn't what the idea is all about. It's about giving the director the opportunity to present his movie without the usual limitations and pressures imposed by studios and theater owners wanting, to cram as many shows as possible into a day, or to fall under some arbitrary count of swear words or breasts to get a certain rating. I means nothing if the director didn't give approval. Gary

12-07-2006, 03:53 AM	#14
Zvi Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jul 2006 Blu-ray collection:121	I think T2 was because at the time they didn't have 50gb discs in mas production. But, in general question is why they're not releasing major hits. I do consider T2 and T5thE major hits, but the way those were released on SL discs with problems sux0rz. I am sure T2 is coming in yet another extreme edition on BD 50, but not so sure about T5thE.

12-07-2006, 07:39 AM	#16
takezo Active Member Member since:Aug 2006	Sometimes scenes get cut out because it interupts the paceing of the movie or it just realy does not have much of a reason to be included in the final cut. Most scenes are deleted for a reason. Extended cuts are usually found for movies that were limited by overall time restraints. So they just removed the little bits and peices that least impacted the story. The director's cut includes these scenes to get the true director's vision for the movie. Note that lots of scenes are still left on the cutting floor even on extended versions. Other times expecially for horror movies, there are sceens that could change the rating the producers were aiming for. Extended unrated horror movies include sceens that would have changed the rating for the show which would have excluded a particular audience from wacthing it in the theatre. Just look at Star Wars. Lucas Arts is scoring money on the Original Trillogy which is now void of all enhanced special effects from the special edition Trillogy. It just goes to show that newer is not always better. Extra sceens is not always better.

12-07-2006, 02:12 PM	#18
Knight-Errant Power Member Member since:Aug 2005 Location:Sheffield, UK	James Cameron does stand by the theatrical cut of T2 as mentioned in the commentary track.

12-07-2006, 03:35 PM	#20
Zvi Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jul 2006 Blu-ray collection:121	Doesn't matter what J.C. stands for, especially after ha made Titanic . IMHO extended version was better. Especially scenes with T1000 heat effects, when he was changing shapes and colors involuntarily Didn't care much for other scenes, but switching T800 from readonly to readwrite mode was necessary too.

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