PAL Upscaling

[wingnut0021]

I just have a small question (i hope ive posted it in the right area)

If you have 24p enabled on your player, why shouldnt it slow down PAL DVDs by 1 frame to eliminate that extra 4% speed up? Because thats what it is isnt it, its a 24 frame source sped to 25 frames and this causes a 4% speed up and a higher pitch in the sound.

To me that would create the ultimate NON blu ray experience.

PAL DVDs running at native 24p with no speedup or 3:2 pulldown, higher virtical resolution and the superior PAL colo"U"r system.


I dont mean to spark a NTSC vs PAL war here lol, cuz we all know HDTV owns them both lol.

[Mermen79]

Does PAL 50hz material work on the 120hz HDTV's? In the US, 50hz material (BD or DVD) will NOT work on 60hz HDTV's, sadly. In Europe, all HDTV's are universal.

[wingnut0021]

Well thats the thing, if its slowed down to 24p, isnt it then treated in the same way as blu ray at 24p. like, 24 x 5 = 120 right?

[Mobe1969]

Originally Posted by wingnut0021

I just have a small question (i hope ive posted it in the right area)

If you have 24p enabled on your player, why shouldnt it slow down PAL DVDs by 1 frame to eliminate that extra 4% speed up? Because thats what it is isnt it, its a 24 frame source sped to 25 frames and this causes a 4% speed up and a higher pitch in the sound.

To me that would create the ultimate NON blu ray experience.

PAL DVDs running at native 24p with no speedup or 3:2 pulldown, higher virtical resolution and the superior PAL colo"U"r system.


I dont mean to spark a NTSC vs PAL war here lol, cuz we all know HDTV owns them both lol.

I've often wondered about that myself. Just run it at 48Hz. But it would need to be something you can control. See, sometimes they actually pitch correct PAL transfers (do some digging on Fellowship of the Ring) - basically they shift the frequencies to compensate for the 4% speedup. So if you slow it down, then the frequencies are all out.

[WickyWoo]

It's easy to do with DVD NTSC-24p. With NTSC many DVDs are encoded at 24p and the player does the 3:2 pulldown . With PAL it takes a lot of computing power and care to accurately change the playback speed, it's a radically different process.

PAL speedup drives me insane, I have no idea how people can stand those chipmunked voices and the unnatural cadence of the film. Even when something is corrected, I can always tell that it's a 24-25fps conversion. They do pitch correct, but nowhere near often enough.

[Mermen79]

You can tell at that 4% change? I can't. It sounds nothing like chipmunks.

[WickyWoo]

You can tell at that 4% change? I can't. It sounds nothing like chipmunks.

I can't see how anyone can't hear it. Everyone's voice goes up like half an octave. Even with pitch correction, the pacing of every cut gets thrown off as well.

Like I said, I can tell even if it's been pitch corrected that something is 24-25fps just by looking at it

[Kilian]

That's a gross over-estimate! A 4% increase in pitch is less than a semi-tone's interval (c.6%), more like a quarter-tone.

Back to 24p: I thought the 24p output (meaning 1080/24p) from current BD players only applies to BD-video, not DVD.