PS3 question - Blu-ray Forum

Nati man · 01-12-2007, 02:36 PM

I should probably know this but does the PS3 act as an upconversion player when you play DVD's? I just never saw that in the spec sheet. Thanks in advance for your answers.

DavePS3 · 01-12-2007, 02:52 PM

It sure doesn't. I tried it and also checked with tech support. I suppose that's why it's cheaper than a standalone Blu-Ray player.

theknub · 01-12-2007, 03:27 PM

there is supposed to be a firmware update coming out in march that will allow this. of course, that is just rumor until it happens

Iceman_II · 01-12-2007, 04:02 PM

Thats why I keep my old sony DVD player around, it does upsample... you can get a progressive scanning, HDMI outputting, upsampling Sony DVD for less than $100

DavePS3 · 01-12-2007, 04:47 PM

I'm not so sure upconversion can be done with a simple firmware upgrade. I always thought it was a chip... but maybe not. Hope not!

GooMan · 01-12-2007, 04:56 PM

I don't know how "simple" the update would be, but there is no reason why the PS3 processing power can't be used to upconvert, it just needs the instructions to do it.

Single chips that perform specific tasks are cheaper to mass produce than general purposes chips that are able to do several things, and they often can be configured to be more effeceint for the single task they are designed to do.

theknub · 01-12-2007, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavePS3

I'm not so sure upconversion can be done with a simple firmware upgrade. I always thought it was a chip... but maybe not. Hope not!

my understanding is that sony has already announced that it is on the docket ti implement. it would be a software based utility.

i remember that when computer DVD players first came out, the best way to watch movies was with a hardware based decoder which i had. eventually, software decoding became commonplace and now hardware decoding is difficult to find. using some form of logic here, i would think some software program can be written to do exactly this.

also, i would assume the ps3 would have some dedicated scaler built in anyway.

Nati man · 01-12-2007, 05:36 PM

Thanks for the info everyone!

Spankey · 01-12-2007, 06:32 PM

Again, I can't find the thread, but Penton-Man at AVS said there certainly was a scaler in the PS3. Why it hasn't been activated is unknown at this point. Honestly, I don't think I've watched one DVD since getting into Blu-ray. It's a nice feature but not one that has any value towards critical viewing for me.

Maximus · 01-12-2007, 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sltmag

Again, I can't find the thread, but Penton-Man at AVS said there certainly was a scaler in the PS3. Why it hasn't been activated is unknown at this point. Honestly, I don't think I've watched one DVD since getting into Blu-ray. It's a nice feature but not one that has any value towards critical viewing for me.

It is in the first insider thread. He said that Sony want to restrict use of the scaler so developers don't take the easy way out and make a 720p game and use the scaler to push it up to 1080p. Instead they would rather the devs get into the habit of maxing out the available hardware to get games running at 1080p60.

phranctoast · 01-12-2007, 07:23 PM

I would take the upscaled game if it meant no slowdown.

blitz6speed · 01-12-2007, 07:29 PM

Exactly. A lot of 360 games are not even 720p (tony hawk 8, call of duty 3, project gotham racing 3 and a lot more) run even less then 720p (in the 500's) and then use the internal scaler to go to 720p, so you're getting fake HD gaming. PS3 doesnt want programmers getting lazy and not using the hardware to its potential by doing half ass jobs, so they dont let them use the scaler to get away with duping the public.

phranctoast · 01-12-2007, 07:37 PM

I know its an early game, but some of the videos for lair seem to suck. If they get their shit together im sure they could make a good 1080/60.

01-12-2007, 02:36 PM	#1
Nati man Member Member since:Jun 2006 Location:Cincinnati, OH	PS3 question I should probably know this but does the PS3 act as an upconversion player when you play DVD's? I just never saw that in the spec sheet. Thanks in advance for your answers.

01-12-2007, 02:52 PM	#2
DavePS3 Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Toronto Home Theater Gallery:56 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:1	ps3 upconversion It sure doesn't. I tried it and also checked with tech support. I suppose that's why it's cheaper than a standalone Blu-Ray player.

01-12-2007, 04:47 PM	#5
DavePS3 Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Toronto Home Theater Gallery:56 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:1	upconversion I'm not so sure upconversion can be done with a simple firmware upgrade. I always thought it was a chip... but maybe not. Hope not!

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01-12-2007, 03:27 PM	#3
theknub Blu-ray Guru Member since:May 2006	there is supposed to be a firmware update coming out in march that will allow this. of course, that is just rumor until it happens

01-12-2007, 04:02 PM	#4
Iceman_II Expert Member Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Ft. Worth Home Theater Gallery:2 Blu-ray collection:308 Blu-ray reviews: 4	Thats why I keep my old sony DVD player around, it does upsample... you can get a progressive scanning, HDMI outputting, upsampling Sony DVD for less than $100

01-12-2007, 04:56 PM	#6
GooMan Active Member Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray collection:410 DVD collection:390	I don't know how "simple" the update would be, but there is no reason why the PS3 processing power can't be used to upconvert, it just needs the instructions to do it. Single chips that perform specific tasks are cheaper to mass produce than general purposes chips that are able to do several things, and they often can be configured to be more effeceint for the single task they are designed to do.

01-12-2007, 05:36 PM	#8
Nati man Member Member since:Jun 2006 Location:Cincinnati, OH	Thanks for the info everyone!

01-12-2007, 06:32 PM	#9
Spankey Power Member Member since:Oct 2006	Again, I can't find the thread, but Penton-Man at AVS said there certainly was a scaler in the PS3. Why it hasn't been activated is unknown at this point. Honestly, I don't think I've watched one DVD since getting into Blu-ray. It's a nice feature but not one that has any value towards critical viewing for me.

01-12-2007, 07:23 PM	#11
phranctoast Power Member Member since:Aug 2006 Location:Long Island, NY;psn:phranctoast Blu-ray collection:78	I would take the upscaled game if it meant no slowdown.

01-12-2007, 07:29 PM	#12
blitz6speed Blu-ray Guru Member since:Oct 2006 Location:Anaheim Hills, CA Trading Score:8	Exactly. A lot of 360 games are not even 720p (tony hawk 8, call of duty 3, project gotham racing 3 and a lot more) run even less then 720p (in the 500's) and then use the internal scaler to go to 720p, so you're getting fake HD gaming. PS3 doesnt want programmers getting lazy and not using the hardware to its potential by doing half ass jobs, so they dont let them use the scaler to get away with duping the public.

01-12-2007, 07:37 PM	#13
phranctoast Power Member Member since:Aug 2006 Location:Long Island, NY;psn:phranctoast Blu-ray collection:78	I know its an early game, but some of the videos for lair seem to suck. If they get their shit together im sure they could make a good 1080/60.

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