Where's the 7.1 audio? - Blu-ray Forum

staravella · 07-21-2008, 02:27 AM

I'm new to Blu-Ray and the new Audio codecs. The few movies I've rented all state 5.1 audio via the various codecs options. Are there any 7.1 surround movies out there? If so they seem to be scarce. Does anyone know if that will change?

Heart&Soul · 07-21-2008, 02:31 AM

The majority of films are in 5.1.

staravella · 07-21-2008, 02:35 AM

I have a capable 5.1 reciever. It doesn't seem worth upgrading to 7.1.

mustang-gt-2002 · 07-21-2008, 02:36 AM

the golden compass is 7.1 DTS-HD master audio, delta farce is 7.1 arownd 15 Blu-ray's are 7.1

Gremal · 07-21-2008, 02:38 AM

There are a handful of 7.1 titles, including some outstanding films like Oldboy and Pan's Labyrinth. More should be coming out in the future.

JasonR · 07-21-2008, 02:39 AM

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/searc...&action=search

staravella · 07-21-2008, 02:40 AM

That's good news. I picked up an Onkyo 805 for $525 and am going to order the Panisonic BD50. I hope that 7.1 audio for Blu-Ray doesn't go the way of 7.1 on DVD.

mustang-gt-2002 · 07-21-2008, 02:44 AM

go to www.blu-raystats.com/stats.php

it will give you all the stuff you are looking for. helped me.

phloyd · 07-21-2008, 03:57 AM

This should directly link the list:

http://www.blu-raystats.com/Stats/St...itle&Audio=7.1

Yojimbo68 · 07-21-2008, 04:08 AM

Off the top of my head, I know the recent "Rambo" has 7.1 audio as does the new release "The Bank Job".

musicman1999 · 07-21-2008, 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staravella

That's good news. I picked up an Onkyo 805 for $525 and am going to order the Panisonic BD50. I hope that 7.1 audio for Blu-Ray doesn't go the way of 7.1 on DVD.

There are no 7.1 dvd.

bill

sycorax82 · 07-21-2008, 01:50 PM

7.1 is definitely overkill for my requirements. I would definitely have a problem with speaker placement, which I don't atm.

Beta Man · 07-21-2008, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Where's the 7.1 audio?

it's all around you

5.1 done properly is usually sufficient though.... If you haven't upgraded, it may be better to wait until prices come down.... they always do on electronics, although speakers retain their value, so possibly upgrade your surrounds etc. and save the other ones for future 7.1 use?

kpkelley · 07-21-2008, 04:05 PM

Some previous posts:

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Originally Posted by ClaytonMG
The DTS-HD MA 7.1 tracks weren't even true 7.1 tracks though. They were the same effect that you'd get if you used some reciever processing modes like THX and others. But it does suck that they're not using DTS-HD MA. Just because WB can't even use Dolby TrueHD properly.

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Originally Posted by ClaytonMG
But I do think when Disney starts doing the whole 7.1 thing, it'll actually be remixed entirely for home theaters.

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Originally Posted by Kris Deering
Universal hasn't released a single 7.1 disc yet, so I wouldn't worry about that. Mi Casa has a thing for 7.1 and that is who New Line and Lionsgate have been using. Honestly, if you just apply PLIIx to an incoming 5.1 signal, you'll get the same result. Movies aren't being mastered in 7.1 so all Mi Casa is doing is applying some post processing to derive the channels.

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Originally Posted by FilmMixer
Actually, Mi Casa is creating discrete 7.1 masters from the original 5.1 mix stems, and not by applying post processing.

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Originally Posted by Alan Gordon
As far as how it works, I don't particularly know (too technical for my understanding), but if I had to guess, I'd say they take the original elements (which they used to make the 5.1 mixes) and then remix them into a 7.1 version of it... making a DEDICATED 7.1 mix (compared to a "matrixed" version done via one's receiver).

~Alan

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Originally Posted by ClaytonMG
So it's a perminant matrixed version?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Gordon
As I said, I'm not an expert on the technical issues (and hopefully someone can speak up who is), BUT not exactly.

From my understanding, matrixing 5.1 soundtracks to 7.1 (like our receivers do) is done by simply (willy-nilly like) spreading SOME of the sound around to our rear speakers. By doing DISCRETE mixes, the audio is laid out... hopefully with a plan, and not "willy-nilly" like "matrixing" the 5.1 soundtracks to 7.1 like our receivers do.

As I said, if anyone knows more than I do about this, PLEASE speak up!

~Alan

FilmMixer Posts

Roland1919 · 07-22-2008, 03:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beta Man

it's all around you

5.1 done properly is usually sufficient though.... If you haven't upgraded, it may be better to wait until prices come down.... they always do on electronics, although speakers retain their value, so possibly upgrade your surrounds etc. and save the other ones for future 7.1 use?

7.1 is for people who are just flat out bored with their money...I listed to the demo's - crap I say, a poor sell. 5.1 is excellent to my ears...nuff said...

Stephan.klose · 07-22-2008, 11:40 AM

I am gonna rent 2 speakers from work to check out if 7.1 is worth the extra money. I just have a few movies among my 180+ titles that are 7.1 but I sure wanna know. So I will take some medium priced speakers before I commit to spending $1000 on some Vienna Acoustics speakers to add to my system

Honestly I think though that currently it's not worth the extra money. There are just too few movies out there.

"Rambo" supposedly sounds great in 7.1 though..

Ranger-R · 07-22-2008, 11:53 AM

Check out The Eye, not the best movie, but the soundtrack is amazing. 7.1

PS3_Kiwi · 07-22-2008, 12:08 PM

I recently upgraded my system, so it seemed a good time to "future proof" myself by getting a 7.1 receiver and a Paradigm 7 speaker set-up with my JBL subwoofer which I will upgrade later.

There are not many BD releases in 7.1, but I can report that 3:10 To Yuma and Rambo sound fantastic. I also have Pan's Labyrinth and Rush Hour 3 which IMO are not quite as good as the other two titles, but are still a step up from 5.1.

Lionsgate and New Line have embraced the 7.1 format, so hopefully others will follow later.

Penny · 07-22-2008, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staravella

That's good news. I picked up an Onkyo 805 for $525 and am going to order the Panisonic BD50. I hope that 7.1 audio for Blu-Ray doesn't go the way of 7.1 on DVD.

Why on earth would you waste your money on the 50 now that the 30's bottom is about to drop out and you have the capabilities of decoding everything on the planet? Unless the 2.0 is somehow attractive to you I don't see why you'd need it.

staravella · 07-22-2008, 09:17 PM

I have no BluRay at all at this time and want to get a 2.0 player. What makes that most ironic is I'm not really interested in BD live or Pic-in-Pic. I just hate the thought that a year or so from now the $50 players will have those features and my pricey (early adoption) player won't.

07-21-2008, 02:27 AM	#1
staravella Junior Member Member since:Jul 2008	Where's the 7.1 audio? I'm new to Blu-Ray and the new Audio codecs. The few movies I've rented all state 5.1 audio via the various codecs options. Are there any 7.1 surround movies out there? If so they seem to be scarce. Does anyone know if that will change? Last edited by staravella; 07-21-2008 at 02:32 AM.

07-21-2008, 02:39 AM	#6
JasonR Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Nov 2007 Trading Score:12	7.1 Titles https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/searc...&action=search

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07-21-2008, 02:31 AM	#2
Heart&Soul Senior Member Member since:Dec 2007 Location:Oregon 4K collection:167 Blu-ray collection:725 Blu-ray reviews:50	The majority of films are in 5.1.

07-21-2008, 02:35 AM	#3
staravella Junior Member Member since:Jul 2008	I have a capable 5.1 reciever. It doesn't seem worth upgrading to 7.1.

07-21-2008, 02:36 AM	#4
mustang-gt-2002 Senior Member Member since:May 2008 Location:Madison, WI. Home Theater Gallery:33 Blu-ray collection:66	the golden compass is 7.1 DTS-HD master audio, delta farce is 7.1 arownd 15 Blu-ray's are 7.1

07-21-2008, 02:38 AM	#5
Gremal Blu-ray Samurai Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Feb 2007 Location:Daddyland Home Theater Gallery:49 Blu-ray collection:184	There are a handful of 7.1 titles, including some outstanding films like Oldboy and Pan's Labyrinth. More should be coming out in the future.

07-21-2008, 02:40 AM	#7
staravella Junior Member Member since:Jul 2008	That's good news. I picked up an Onkyo 805 for $525 and am going to order the Panisonic BD50. I hope that 7.1 audio for Blu-Ray doesn't go the way of 7.1 on DVD.

07-21-2008, 02:44 AM	#8
mustang-gt-2002 Senior Member Member since:May 2008 Location:Madison, WI. Home Theater Gallery:33 Blu-ray collection:66	go to www.blu-raystats.com/stats.php it will give you all the stuff you are looking for. helped me.

07-21-2008, 03:57 AM	#9
phloyd Blu-ray Guru Member since:Dec 2003 Location:California Trading Score:5	This should directly link the list: http://www.blu-raystats.com/Stats/St...itle&Audio=7.1

07-21-2008, 04:08 AM	#10
Yojimbo68 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jul 2008 4K collection:160 Blu-ray collection:1563 DVD collection:683 Digital collection:1328 iTunes collection:2 Blu-ray reviews: 8	Off the top of my head, I know the recent "Rambo" has 7.1 audio as does the new release "The Bank Job".

07-21-2008, 01:50 PM	#12
sycorax82 Junior Member Member since:Jul 2008	7.1 is definitely overkill for my requirements. I would definitely have a problem with speaker placement, which I don't atm.

07-22-2008, 11:40 AM	#16
Stephan.klose Senior Member Member since:Jun 2008 Location:Vienna Home Theater Gallery:1 Blu-ray collection:1567 Blu-ray reviews: 79	I am gonna rent 2 speakers from work to check out if 7.1 is worth the extra money. I just have a few movies among my 180+ titles that are 7.1 but I sure wanna know. So I will take some medium priced speakers before I commit to spending $1000 on some Vienna Acoustics speakers to add to my system Honestly I think though that currently it's not worth the extra money. There are just too few movies out there. "Rambo" supposedly sounds great in 7.1 though..

07-22-2008, 11:53 AM	#17
Ranger-R Power Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Washington Home Theater Gallery:5 Blu-ray collection:1808 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:80	Check out The Eye, not the best movie, but the soundtrack is amazing. 7.1

07-22-2008, 12:08 PM	#18
PS3_Kiwi Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Christchurch, New Zealand 4K collection:173 Blu-ray collection:173 iTunes collection:564 Trading Score:5	I recently upgraded my system, so it seemed a good time to "future proof" myself by getting a 7.1 receiver and a Paradigm 7 speaker set-up with my JBL subwoofer which I will upgrade later. There are not many BD releases in 7.1, but I can report that 3:10 To Yuma and Rambo sound fantastic. I also have Pan's Labyrinth and Rush Hour 3 which IMO are not quite as good as the other two titles, but are still a step up from 5.1. Lionsgate and New Line have embraced the 7.1 format, so hopefully others will follow later.

07-22-2008, 09:17 PM	#20
staravella Junior Member Member since:Jul 2008	I have no BluRay at all at this time and want to get a 2.0 player. What makes that most ironic is I'm not really interested in BD live or Pic-in-Pic. I just hate the thought that a year or so from now the $50 players will have those features and my pricey (early adoption) player won't.

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