no Japanese audio on Batman: Gotham Knight | Yes it IS there |

[jd213]

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF...tal/bluray.php

"Alternate German and Spanish audio is included as well, but the Japanese 5.1 track promised on the back cover is nowhere to be found. Not sure if that was left off of all editions of the film or just the Blu-ray release, but nevertheless it’s completely absent. A real bummer, I actually was genuinely curious what it sounded like. "

After not including lossless audio, this is just adding insult to injury...

I imagine a lot of Batman fans won't mind since the English dub features the same guy who did Batman in the old animated series, but I prefer my anime in the original Japanese so I definitely won't be getting the US release (though I wasn't planning on getting it anyways because there's no lossless audio). Already have the Japanese release on pre-order, but I'll be selling it if it doesn't have lossless either.

[ryoohki]

Well it was announced without loseless so there's nothing to do here. The Japanese track was supposed to be in, but that is made by Warner, it's english and it's made for Batman Fan, not anime fan witch is very different market.

[jd213]

Yeah, but why would they have had us thinking it would be included all this time then? If they didn't care about anime fans they never would have included the Japanese track or listed it on the back cover in the first place.

[lgans316]

Originally Posted by jd213

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF...tal/bluray.php

"Alternate German and Spanish audio is included as well, but the Japanese 5.1 track promised on the back cover is nowhere to be found. Not sure if that was left off of all editions of the film or just the Blu-ray release, but nevertheless it’s completely absent. A real bummer, I actually was genuinely curious what it sounded like. "

After not including lossless audio, this is just adding insult to injury...

I imagine a lot of Batman fans won't mind since the English dub features the same guy who did Batman in the old animated series, but I prefer my anime in the original Japanese so I definitely won't be getting the US release (though I wasn't planning on getting it anyways because there's no lossless audio). Already have the Japanese release on pre-order, but I'll be selling it if it doesn't have lossless either.

Same with Prison Break (U.S), V for Vendetta (U.S) and Sweeney Todd (U.K / H.K). Japanese audio/subs listed on the package but missing in the actual BD.

[WickyWoo]

I imagine a lot of Batman fans won't mind since the English dub features the same guy who did Batman in the old animated series, but I prefer my anime in the original Japanese so I definitely won't be getting the US release (though I wasn't planning on getting it anyways because there's no lossless audio). Already have the Japanese release on pre-order, but I'll be selling it if it doesn't have lossless either.

This is not anime. This is a work for hire job that was written by Americans, in English, and then turned over to Japanese studios to board and direct. The original intended language is English

Japanese is eliminated to stop imports of cheaper US releases

[jd213]

Whatever. It was still recorded in Japanese first and dubbed in English second, and will still sound as awkward in English as any other dub.

[Cplhicks]

Originally Posted by lgans316

Same with Prison Break (U.S), V for Vendetta (U.S) and Sweeney Todd (U.K / H.K). Japanese audio/subs listed on the package but missing in the actual BD.

They have subs listed on there, but they're not on there? Bummer, my wife would've liked to have the Japanese subs...

[Giyomu]

V for Vendetta has japanese subs for sure, I saw it with my wife too

[WickyWoo]

Whatever. It was still recorded in Japanese first and dubbed in English second, and will still sound as awkward in English as any other dub.

Where is your evidence of that?

I am 100% against dubbing in any form, and I'm very doubtful that this was recorded in Japanese first. It was written in English by Americans for an american company. Just like Transformers, GI Joe, or even the original Batman TAS. The only difference is that the Japanese directors were allowed to direct and board the features. The same thing happened with Animatrix, except that they were also allowed to write them.

Vampire Hunter D:Bloodlust was produced in English, as was the Highlander Search for Vengence.

[u_nick]

Yeah, I think Wicky is right. It's an American Prject using Jpanese artists and directors. I dont remember any part of the project ever talking about originally recording in Japanese. It was always English first.

[Sky_Captain]

DOH!! I was looking forward to the Japanese soundtrack, more out of curiousnes than anything else. Thanks a bunch, Warner! Are their artwork dept run by complete airheads?

[jd213]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

Where is your evidence of that?

This interview here:

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF...iew/conroy.php

"In the past, we’ve always treated the shows like a radio play – we recorded the lines and then the animation took place. This time, the artwork came first, and that made the process interesting. Sometimes the artists put extra mouth flaps in, or they made the cadence different from the way I’d usually deliver a line. So we had to work within those parameters and try to time the acting to fill the space."

The animation was done first and the lip flaps were done with the Japanese dialogue in mind.

I am 100% against dubbing in any form, and I'm very doubtful that this was recorded in Japanese first. It was written in English by Americans for an american company. Just like Transformers, GI Joe, or even the original Batman TAS. The only difference is that the Japanese directors were allowed to direct and board the features.

I'm afraid that's not the only difference. As indicated in the above interview, the voice recording for Gotham Knight was done after the animation, not before like the above cartoons and traditional Western animation. Thus we get an awkward dub with the English voice actors recording alone in a booth instead of a pre-recorded session like for Western animation, or a group session like what's done in Japan.

Vampire Hunter D:Bloodlust was produced in English, as was the Highlander Search for Vengence.

VHD was written in Japanese and then translated into English since they wanted the dialogue in English for the theatrical release in Japan. Its animation was also done before the voice recording like any other anime, I remember people complaining it sounded as bad as a dub despite English being the "original" language for it. Never seen the Highlander anime, heard it wasn't very good.

[lgans316]

Originally Posted by Giyomu

V for Vendetta has japanese subs for sure, I saw it with my wife too

Will check and revert back if the U.S version of V features Japanese subs.

[WickyWoo]

I'm afraid that's not the only difference. As indicated in the above interview, the voice recording for Gotham Knight was done after the animation, not before like the above cartoons and traditional Western animation. Thus we get an awkward dub with the English voice actors recording alone in a booth instead of a pre-recorded session like for Western animation, or a group session like what's done in Japan.

That's standard Japanese process. The only anime that I can think of that was ever pre-recorded was Akira.

The flaps were still designed for English

VHD was written in Japanese and then translated into English since they wanted the dialogue in English for the theatrical release in Japan. Its animation was also done before the voice recording like any other anime, I remember people complaining it sounded as bad as a dub despite English being the "original" language for it. Never seen the Highlander anime, heard it wasn't very good.

The target language was still English. The point stands, and yes the Highlander animated movie was poor

I saw Gotham Knight today. It's....OK. What bothered me more than anything was that Conroy voices Bruce young, so he doesn't sound like he does in TAS.

Awkward English dubbing is 9 times out of 10 the result of using poor, bargain basement actors who are not trained for voice work, bad scripting (on either side of the ocean), bad direction, and/or a rushjob.

This is not dubbed, you're supposed to watch it in English. This movie is designed for English just as much as any Japanese movie is designed for Japanese.

[jd213]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

The flaps were still designed for English

Sure they were. That's why there were extra flaps and the timing was off.

[WickyWoo]

Sure they were. That's why there were extra flaps and the timing was off.

I suggest you watch anime more closely. This frequently happens with the Japanese tracks as well. Happens all the time in fact.

I know Seiyuu do make appearences in Akihabara from time to time, I suggest you ask them if it's ever happened to them. It sure has happened to the half dozen or so I've met

Tell you what, I'll ask the Madhouse guys when I see them next month, since they did one of the sequences, they'll be able to provide a definitive answer

[jd213]

Whatever the reason, it's still going to sound like a dub since the English voice recording was done in a booth after the animation was done, and the actors still had to work around the animation instead of the animation working around them.

I'll stick to the Japanese track once the Blu-ray comes out over here.

[iownu]

That's why I love buying here in Japan The REAL shit.

[alexakajeff]

Originally Posted by jd213

Yeah, but why would they have had us thinking it would be included all this time then? If they didn't care about anime fans they never would have included the Japanese track or listed it on the back cover in the first place.

truee

[Deciazulado]

The Japanese audio and subtitles are on the disc.