Downloads and Discs - Mutual Solution - Blu-ray Forum

stockstar1138 · 08-05-2008, 01:54 PM

Just like many of you, I want the very best quality out of my blu-ray discs, this means high bitrates, loseless audio and no dnr.

It occured to me that the quality of my picture was being compromised, by the quality of my sound and vice versa. Some of my blu-rays use up a lot of space having 2-3 loseless or uncompressed tracks on them. Thats got to be cutting into my PQ. Those uncompressed tracks also use up some of the bitrate also affecting my PQ. The same goes with extras.

Now I realize its probably too late to use this idea in the blu-ray spec, so I guess this is mostly about next-gen formats.

What if every player had a reasonably large, easily changable HDD and each player was required to have access to an online store.

On this store there were audio tracks for download. Before you even got the movie (or while you are out getting it), you can go on this store and download the audio track you desire. That means if I only speak English, I don't have to waste space on the disc with 13 other languages.

Now when I pop my movie into the player, it activates the audio file on my HDD. The file is only allowed to play when the movie is in the player. The soundless disc starts playing with the absolute highest bitrate and highest quality possible, while my player streams the HD audio from my player to my receiver. If I want to watch extras for this movie, space isn't having to be wasted on the disc either, i can just go to this online store and download what I want to watch, so my disc isnt full of crap I don't want to watch.

This way the disc isn't having to waste bitrates and space on audio and extras and can fully focus it on PQ, while a HD download of audio provides me with high resolution audio. You could litterly achieve a higher bitrate and more space than your disc could utilize.

I could also see this being an effective tool against piracy, as maybe the studios could put typical security on the disc plus another code to get the audio file to play from the HDD. That way if you were able to pirate the disc you would need to break two codes or not have any sound.

Only con is it might not be as easy to bring a movie over to a friends house, but as early adopters we should know that from this gen.

Sorry if this was a dumb idea and a waste of your time.

ClaytonMG · 08-05-2008, 04:20 PM

I don't think the idea of downloading audio/subtitle tracks is that bad of an idea. I just think the average joe consumer wouldn't get it.

dpomp · 08-05-2008, 04:25 PM

I agree take all the extra languages off!!

(yes i read your post but that's the only part i agree w/)
i wouldn't want to download my audio i want it all on 1 disc just no other languages.

(i could see different language subtitles though)

nward · 08-05-2008, 04:30 PM

there really is no need to take the audio tracks off of the disc. Maybe companies should just start to use the up to 500gb discs that pioneer keeps coming out with to enhance their pictures and make it so they have absolutely no limitations.

stockstar1138 · 08-05-2008, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nward

there really is no need to take the audio tracks off of the disc. Maybe companies should just start to use the up to 500gb discs that pioneer keeps coming out with to enhance their pictures and make it so they have absolutely no limitations.

they would still have bitrate limitations wouldn't they???

arush5268d · 08-05-2008, 04:51 PM

You'd definately need a good broad band connection for this. You're talking about downloading hundreds of megabytes of data. And then your player would have to simultaneously read the audio off the HDD and read the optical media, do all the decoding ad processing....

Seems a bit complicated to me.

Personally i don't see why region 1 disks need to have French on them. Just keep English! Kthnx

stockstar1138 · 08-05-2008, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arush5268d

You'd definately need a good broad band connection for this. You're talking about downloading hundreds of megabytes of data. And then your player would have to simultaneously read the audio off the HDD and read the optical media, do all the decoding ad processing....

Seems a bit complicated to me.

Personally i don't see why region 1 disks need to have French on them. Just keep English! Kthnx

cause isn't canada in region 1? and they speak french in quebec.

Blu Kreme · 08-05-2008, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arush5268d

You'd definately need a good broad band connection for this. You're talking about downloading hundreds of megabytes of data. And then your player would have to simultaneously read the audio off the HDD and read the optical media, do all the decoding ad processing....

Seems a bit complicated to me.

Personally i don't see why region 1 disks need to have French on them. Just keep English! Kthnx

Why does everything in America - where we speak English - now have Spanish options? What about French, German, Italian, Swahili, so on so forth. Why just Spanish? Why not just English?

As for movies, I don't mind the extra audio as long as there is an English track.

DrasticPlastic · 08-05-2008, 05:56 PM

I say leave the languages and audio tracks on the disc and make the extras downloadable as nobody really watches those anyway.

ClaytonMG · 08-05-2008, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stockstar1138

they would still have bitrate limitations wouldn't they???

Exactly! And it'd still be 1080p. But people see the 500gb thing and freak out saying "it'll be like looking out the window." No, the 50mbps cap is still there and so is 1080p. In order to get the "window effect" you'd need to up the resolution and bitrate. But people really aren't getting that.

As for the Spanish thing, that's because people here also speak Spanish. And some discs are region free so other countries need their audio tracks as well.

CptGreedle · 08-05-2008, 08:28 PM

So if you are in a location with.. say.. no internet... or limited at least.. you would have no sound at all?
I say they should keep the main soundtrack, in compressed lossless, and allow for you to download the subtitles and other languages at your own leisure. Subtitles take up little space so they could still put in a few basic languages.
Some extras would be too hard to download, and don't forget most people don't have high bandwidth so speed is an issue too.

To make it work, it would have to be optional with only the basics on the disc. That way those who can afford it and don't speak the language can still download it, and those who can not afford it can at least get the subtitles.

08-05-2008, 01:54 PM	#1
stockstar1138 Banned Member since:Apr 2007	Downloads and Discs - Mutual Solution Just like many of you, I want the very best quality out of my blu-ray discs, this means high bitrates, loseless audio and no dnr. It occured to me that the quality of my picture was being compromised, by the quality of my sound and vice versa. Some of my blu-rays use up a lot of space having 2-3 loseless or uncompressed tracks on them. Thats got to be cutting into my PQ. Those uncompressed tracks also use up some of the bitrate also affecting my PQ. The same goes with extras. Now I realize its probably too late to use this idea in the blu-ray spec, so I guess this is mostly about next-gen formats. What if every player had a reasonably large, easily changable HDD and each player was required to have access to an online store. On this store there were audio tracks for download. Before you even got the movie (or while you are out getting it), you can go on this store and download the audio track you desire. That means if I only speak English, I don't have to waste space on the disc with 13 other languages. Now when I pop my movie into the player, it activates the audio file on my HDD. The file is only allowed to play when the movie is in the player. The soundless disc starts playing with the absolute highest bitrate and highest quality possible, while my player streams the HD audio from my player to my receiver. If I want to watch extras for this movie, space isn't having to be wasted on the disc either, i can just go to this online store and download what I want to watch, so my disc isnt full of crap I don't want to watch. This way the disc isn't having to waste bitrates and space on audio and extras and can fully focus it on PQ, while a HD download of audio provides me with high resolution audio. You could litterly achieve a higher bitrate and more space than your disc could utilize. I could also see this being an effective tool against piracy, as maybe the studios could put typical security on the disc plus another code to get the audio file to play from the HDD. That way if you were able to pirate the disc you would need to break two codes or not have any sound. Only con is it might not be as easy to bring a movie over to a friends house, but as early adopters we should know that from this gen. Sorry if this was a dumb idea and a waste of your time.

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08-05-2008, 04:20 PM	#2
ClaytonMG Blu-ray Samurai Member since:May 2006 Location:New Brighton, MN Home Theater Gallery:16 4K collection:833 Blu-ray collection:2370 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:1	I don't think the idea of downloading audio/subtitle tracks is that bad of an idea. I just think the average joe consumer wouldn't get it.

08-05-2008, 04:25 PM	#3
dpomp ₯ Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Texas PSN: dpomp131 Blu-ray collection:231 Trading Score:19	I agree take all the extra languages off!! (yes i read your post but that's the only part i agree w/) i wouldn't want to download my audio i want it all on 1 disc just no other languages. (i could see different language subtitles though)

08-05-2008, 04:30 PM	#4
nward Active Member Member since:Aug 2008 Location:rochester ny Blu-ray collection:603 Trading Score:2	there really is no need to take the audio tracks off of the disc. Maybe companies should just start to use the up to 500gb discs that pioneer keeps coming out with to enhance their pictures and make it so they have absolutely no limitations.

08-05-2008, 04:51 PM	#6
arush5268d Banned Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Houston, TX Blu-ray collection:85	You'd definately need a good broad band connection for this. You're talking about downloading hundreds of megabytes of data. And then your player would have to simultaneously read the audio off the HDD and read the optical media, do all the decoding ad processing.... Seems a bit complicated to me. Personally i don't see why region 1 disks need to have French on them. Just keep English! Kthnx

08-05-2008, 05:56 PM	#9
DrasticPlastic Senior Member Member since:Dec 2007 Home Theater Gallery:6 Trading Score:2	I say leave the languages and audio tracks on the disc and make the extras downloadable as nobody really watches those anyway.

08-05-2008, 08:28 PM	#11
CptGreedle Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Sworn super-hero now services Atlanta (and suburbs). Blu-ray collection:128 Blu-ray reviews:5	So if you are in a location with.. say.. no internet... or limited at least.. you would have no sound at all? I say they should keep the main soundtrack, in compressed lossless, and allow for you to download the subtitles and other languages at your own leisure. Subtitles take up little space so they could still put in a few basic languages. Some extras would be too hard to download, and don't forget most people don't have high bandwidth so speed is an issue too. To make it work, it would have to be optional with only the basics on the disc. That way those who can afford it and don't speak the language can still download it, and those who can not afford it can at least get the subtitles.

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