hdmi 1.3 question

[paulfromtulsa]

what are the benefits of getting a receiver that has hdmi 1.3? i was in the the market for a good receiver to go with my blu ray player. i was going to get the yamaha rx-v1700 but im confused now becasue os seeing things on hdmi 1.3 recievers can someone please help

[HDTV1080P]

If you want DTS HD and True Dolby you will need a receiver with HDMI 1.3 support.

[jorg]

hdmi 1.3 incresses your posiable pic depth and doubles the amount of data able to be sent

[slckofit]

take a look at this thread.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=789994

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by slckofit

take a look at this thread.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=789994

Many HDTV players will need HDMI 1.3 since not all HDTV players will support decoding of the HD audio formats like DTS-HD unless the HDTV player has a built in fully functioning DTS-HD decoder. If future HDTV players have a fully functioning DTS-HD decoder built in then yes you can use a HDMI 1.1 or HDMI 1.2 connections or 8 analog outputs for up to 8 channels of DTS-HD audio.
Current BLU-RAY players play back DTS-HD as DTS and Dolby Digital Plus and Dolby TrueHD as Dolby Digital. Unless a new HDTV player is released with special decoding in most cases one is going to need 1.3 HDMI BLU-RAY player and 1.3 HDMI receiver to take advantage of the advanced 7.1 surround formats. Keeping everything digital to the receiver would be better quality and it would not matter which device had the decoder built in,. I would rather have the decoding done in the receiver since there is no reason to have both a player and reciever doing the decoding of 7.1 audio streams. You can keep the price of the BLU-RAY players lower by not placing a decoder in the player. Also you would want the decoding in the receiver in case cable or satellite every went to 1080P with 7.1 surround sound.

http://www.dts.com/dts-hd/dtshd-master-audio-with-existing-receiver.php

[paulfromtulsa]

im still kinda confused. first are there any hdmi 1.3 receivers even out yet? second my samsung bd1000 does or doesn't have a decoder in it? also if i get the yamaha rx-v1700 which is a 7.1 reciever. will i get true 7.1 sound ? also are blu ray movies coming out in 7.1 if not will it only play like a 5.1 or 6.1 format? bascially will all 7 speakers play if the movie is recoreded in 5.1? sorry about all the questions in a home audio newbie

[Amon37]

Originally Posted by paulfromtulsa

im still kinda confused. first are there any hdmi 1.3 receivers even out yet?

One high-priced Denon is coming soon, other than that not really.

Originally Posted by paulfromtulsa

second my samsung bd1000 does or doesn't have a decoder in it?

I don't know that.

Originally Posted by paulfromtulsa

also if i get the yamaha rx-v1700 which is a 7.1 reciever. will i get true 7.1 sound ?

No you will get DTS6.1 at the most and it will just simulate the 7th speaker

Originally Posted by paulfromtulsa

also are blu ray movies coming out in 7.1 if not will it only play like a 5.1 or 6.1 format? bascially will all 7 speakers play if the movie is recoreded in 5.1?

Yes some movies have 7.1 LPCM. They also have 5.1 DD or 5.1/6.1 DTS. Yes it will play out of all 7 speakers even if it's only 5.1 or 6.1

Originally Posted by paulfromtulsa

sorry about all the questions in a home audio newbie

Don't worry I am too but have learned a hell of a lot from this site.

[paulfromtulsa]

so basically if i have that yamaha rx-v1700 7.1 and i watch a movie that is recorded in 5.1 all seven of my speakers will play? im not talking about all channel mode but surround mode. iwill it just simulate that extra 2 speakers or what? if it simulates is there a option on the receiver to do that or is it automatic?

[Amon37]

Originally Posted by paulfromtulsa

so basically if i have that yamaha rx-v1700 7.1 and i watch a movie that is recorded in 5.1 all seven of my speakers will play? im not talking about all channel mode but surround mode. iwill it just simulate that extra 2 speakers or what? if it simulates is there a option on the receiver to do that or is it automatic?

Yes it will just simulate the sound of the surround speakers of a normal 5.1 setup to your Back surround speakers. This happens automatically.

[Amon37]

How do you have the BD player hooked up?

[paulfromtulsa]

right now i have it hooked up via fiber optic cable cause my onkyo reciever has no hdmi. but i am going to buy that yamaha that does have hdmi. a question i do have is that yamaha receiver has 2 hdmi inputs and 1 output. so does that mean i can run 1 hdmi from my bluray to the receiver and 1 hdmi from my hd dvr box to the reciever and then 1 hdmi for the receiver to the tv? and then will i have no need for the fiber optic cable? will the hdmi do the sound and picture is what im asking. thanks for the help

[theknub]

Originally Posted by paulfromtulsa

right now i have it hooked up via fiber optic cable cause my onkyo reciever has no hdmi. but i am going to buy that yamaha that does have hdmi. a question i do have is that yamaha receiver has 2 hdmi inputs and 1 output. so does that mean i can run 1 hdmi from my bluray to the receiver and 1 hdmi from my hd dvr box to the reciever and then 1 hdmi for the receiver to the tv? and then will i have no need for the fiber optic cable? will the hdmi do the sound and picture is what im asking. thanks for the help

yes, that will be the exact run. no more switching video inputs on the TV! let the receiver do the work

[Amon37]

Originally Posted by paulfromtulsa

right now i have it hooked up via fiber optic cable cause my onkyo reciever has no hdmi. but i am going to buy that yamaha that does have hdmi. a question i do have is that yamaha receiver has 2 hdmi inputs and 1 output. so does that mean i can run 1 hdmi from my bluray to the receiver and 1 hdmi from my hd dvr box to the reciever and then 1 hdmi for the receiver to the tv? and then will i have no need for the fiber optic cable? will the hdmi do the sound and picture is what im asking. thanks for the help

If you haven't bought a revciever with HDMI ports wait for the 1.3 receivers.

BTW which Onkyo do you have?

[paulfromtulsa]

right now i have the onkyo tx-ds787 its a 6.1 the reason im upgrading is because i want hdmi inputs and i wnat 7.1. why do you think i should wait for hdmi 1.3? also how long do you think until receivers will be released? what kind of cost do you think a good receiver will run?

[Amon37]

Originally Posted by paulfromtulsa

right now i have the onkyo tx-ds787 its a 6.1 the reason im upgrading is because i want hdmi inputs and i wnat 7.1. why do you think i should wait for hdmi 1.3? also how long do you think until receivers will be released? what kind of cost do you think a good receiver will run?

You should wait so that when use the HDMI it can decode not only LPCM but also Dolby True-HD and DTS-MA Tracks. Plus tghe other benefits mentioned by jorg.

I don't think it will be that long before they are released and I'll be you'll be able to find for the price of the yamaha or maybe a little more.

[paulfromtulsa]

Originally Posted by Amon37

You should wait so that when use the HDMI it can decode not only LPCM but also Dolby True-HD and DTS-MA Tracks. Plus tghe other benefits mentioned by jorg.

I don't think it will be that long before they are released and I'll be you'll be able to find for the price of the yamaha or maybe a little more.

so whenyou say the 1.3 receiver can decode dolby true hd and dts ma. does that just mean better sound? i understand that but how is the sound better in what sense?

[theknub]

paul,
a few months back we had a very detailed discussion in regards to hdmi 1.3

i have already seen some misinformation in here so rather than fight it and start the discussion all over, i will refer you here https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=3894

i would heavily recomend to explore all the links in that thread as there is a great explanation linked to AVS in the first post from JTK

[i want HD movies]

unless there is physical difference most 'good' receivers, including Denon the RX line from Yamaha etc. will get updates ot allow for HD decoding in the future. Denon for instance releases updates all the time when a 'new requirement' presents itself.

For instance there are updates to allow their older HDMI receivers, i.e. 38--, 48--, and 58-- series, to accept and pass through 1080p. These were limited to HDMI 1.0(or was it already called 1.1 then?) or 1080i on release. If this is the case with going from 1.1 to HDMI 1.2 I dont see much problem getting an update to allow for HDMI 1.3 on these types of machines.

Clearly this is no guarantee but it is very foreseeable. I would purchase the best receiver you can today due to some great deals in the near future when companies are jettisoning stock to make way for the 1.3 units.

Also as I have said in other posts DTS on a 4306 Denon will sound better than DTS HD on a Sony 1.3 receiver that has 20x the distortion!!! (.05% THD 20-20kHz on the Denon, .7%THD 1kHz on the Sony RGR1000(?)) That is 14x distortion but only on one test tone. I wonder what the rating is across the entire sound spectrum!!!!

The video part is undeniably higher POTENTIAL on 1.3, but most TV's are limited today to 12-16-bit processing at the max (i.e. the Pioneer Elite's and Sony XBR2's I believe) so that potential of higher bit rates for colors wont be realized by any TV any time soon. By the time you will be able to you will want a new receiver anyway.

[paulfromtulsa]

wow that sh*t is confusing. im more confused now more that ever hahahah. can someone put this in layman's terms. i understand sound from a hdmi 1.3 receiver will sound better cause it can decode all dts hd and dolby hd. but how is the sound better? less distortion? louder? clearer? what?

[theknub]

Originally Posted by paulfromtulsa

wow that sh*t is confusing. im more confused now more that ever hahahah. can someone put this in layman's terms. i understand sound from a hdmi 1.3 receiver will sound better cause it can decode all dts hd and dolby hd. but how is the sound better? less distortion? louder? clearer? what?

ok, a quick summation.

hdmi 1.3 isn't necessary at this point in time. with the way the audio is encoded, the player has to do the decoding internally. this is because there are certain mixing techniques used (like commentary tracks) that the player mixes on it's own. it may not be this way forever and we may have receivers that will be able to handle this, but all current software requires the player to do the decoding. the audio is then output in pcm 5.1 (uncompressed audio). so, any receiver that can accept hdmi will/should be able to accept and process the pcm track that is output from the player.