Original soundtracks

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by view-it-blu

So what your telling us is you will be happy with 5.1 tracks on LotR trilogy, Rush Hour 2 & AP 3 instead of the DTS ES 6.1 tracks offered on DVD? WHAT?!

What did G. Lucas say "Sound is 1/2 the movie." Not just for movies we like but ALL movies.

You do know that they were originally 5.1/5.1 EX theatrically?

The 6.1 is a processed effect. Pretty much any 7.1 receiver can do the exact same thing these days to any 5.1 track.

KEEP THE ORIGINAL SOUNDTRACK!

[view-it-blu]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

You do know that they were originally 5.1/5.1 EX theatrically?

The 6.1 is a processed effect. Pretty much any 7.1 receiver can do the exact same thing these days to any 5.1 track.

KEEP THE ORIGINAL SOUNDTRACK!

I know that they were 6 channels subs don't get any special love in real theater set-up.

I will take DTS over DD any day of the week.

Receivers can fake matrix but not discrete.

I think original tracts are very important, but when watching Terminator do you listen to the original stereo or the processed 5.1 track?

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by view-it-blu

I will take DTS over DD any day of the week.

Your loss(y), especially since DD @640kbps is more than enough.

Receivers can fake matrix but not discrete.

Seeing as the original soundtracks were 5.1 all they do is feed it through a matrix decoder. So much for "discrete"

I think original tracts are very important, but when watching Terminator do you listen to the original stereo or the processed 5.1 track?

Terminator was mono. I appreciate having the option of either.

[Lyle_JP]

I'm glad view-it-blu brought up Terminator. For the most part, I actually appreciate and enjoy most good 5.1 remixes, even of mono material, so long as some attempt was made to preserve the original sound design while expanding the number of channels and depth. But I don't like 5.1 remixes that sound nothing like the original film. The Terminator's 5.1 mix is an atrocity in this department. Every sound effect is woefully out of place, and some old familiar sounds are dropped completely. I have the same complaints about the 5.1 abomination on Jaws and the mix Lowry did for Thunderball. Dropping music way out of the mix while making sound effects much louder is a more subtle example of screwing a sound mix over (OHMSS and Star Wars Ep IV are both guilty here). Also, stripping out directional dialog in favor of anchoring everything in the center pisses me off more than any of the others listed above (they had better never try doing that with Logan's Run). Of course, expanding dialog into every channel for no good reason is no better (Disney Enhanced Home Theater mixes, I'm looking at you).

Basically, if you're going to remix to expand the sound design, don't forget how the film was supposed to sound. And if you do, at least provide the original soundtrack!

[nycomet]

Originally Posted by Lyle_JP

I'm glad view-it-blu brought up Terminator. For the most part, I actually appreciate and enjoy most good 5.1 remixes, even of mono material, so long as some attempt was made to preserve the original sound design while expanding the number of channels and depth. But I don't like 5.1 remixes that sound nothing like the original film. The Terminator's 5.1 mix is an atrocity in this department. Every sound effect is woefully out of place, and some old familiar sounds are dropped completely. I have the same complaints about the 5.1 abomination on Jaws and the mix Lowry did for Thunderball. Dropping music way out of the mix while making sound effects much louder is a more subtle example of screwing a sound mix over (OHMSS and Star Wars Ep IV are both guilty here). Also, stripping out directional dialog in favor of anchoring everything in the center pisses me off more than any of the others listed above (they had better never try doing that with Logan's Run). Of course, expanding dialog into every channel for no good reason is no better (Disney Enhanced Home Theater mixes, I'm looking at you).

Basically, if you're going to remix to expand the sound design, don't forget how the film was supposed to sound. And if you do, at least provide the original soundtrack!

Just wait until the restored GODFATHER trilogy comes out. The entire soundtrack has been remixed. What will it sound like?

[view-it-blu]

Originally Posted by Lyle_JP

I'm glad view-it-blu brought up Terminator. For the most part, I actually appreciate and enjoy most good 5.1 remixes, even of mono material, so long as some attempt was made to preserve the original sound design while expanding the number of channels and depth. But I don't like 5.1 remixes that sound nothing like the original film. The Terminator's 5.1 mix is an atrocity in this department. Every sound effect is woefully out of place, and some old familiar sounds are dropped completely. I have the same complaints about the 5.1 abomination on Jaws and the mix Lowry did for Thunderball. Dropping music way out of the mix while making sound effects much louder is a more subtle example of screwing a sound mix over (OHMSS and Star Wars Ep IV are both guilty here). Also, stripping out directional dialog in favor of anchoring everything in the center pisses me off more than any of the others listed above (they had better never try doing that with Logan's Run). Of course, expanding dialog into every channel for no good reason is no better (Disney Enhanced Home Theater mixes, I'm looking at you).

Basically, if you're going to remix to expand the sound design, don't forget how the film was supposed to sound. And if you do, at least provide the original soundtrack!

The soundtrack for this film is original from 70mm prints which could handle 6 channel audio.

[HumanMedia]

Originally Posted by view-it-blu

The soundtrack for this film is original from 70mm prints which could handle 6 channel audio.

Yes but for the Star Wars EP IV DVD releases the audio was mixed right down, much lower than in the film. (Superman also)

[Lyle_JP]

Originally Posted by view-it-blu

The soundtrack for this film is original from 70mm prints which could handle 6 channel audio.

The DVD is not an accurate recreation of the film's original sound mix in any way, shape, or form. The 5.1 DVD remix did horrible things with the music. What's funny is that Lucas had no trouble making a decent 5.1 mix for it back in 1997. I have the laserdisc of the first Ep IV Special Edition, and the 5.1 AC-3 track is nearly perfect in every way.