new here need some help with audio question

[djdon]

hey guys.. i jus got a lcd tv with a yamaha hrt 6130 receiver/surround
http://www.yamaha.com/yec/products/p...l?CNTID=567483

thats the link for the receiver.. now my quesiton is .. I want my ps3 to get surround sound.. when i watch blue ray movies and play games.. i have the ps3 hdmi to the tv and a optical to the receiver.. but when iwatch movie i dont always get the surround sound.. can someone please help me how should i set up the audio for ps3? thankx

[JJ]

Originally Posted by djdon

hey guys.. i jus got a lcd tv with a yamaha hrt 6130 receiver/surround
http://www.yamaha.com/yec/products/p...l?CNTID=567483

thats the link for the receiver.. now my quesiton is .. I want my ps3 to get surround sound.. when i watch blue ray movies and play games.. i have the ps3 hdmi to the tv and a optical to the receiver.. but when iwatch movie i dont always get the surround sound.. can someone please help me how should i set up the audio for ps3? thankx

No, no - PS3 HDMI to Receiver, Receiver HDMI to TV.

[djdon]

hdmi to receiver?? why is that.. hdmi for the video dough.. wahts the difference if i put it receiver firs tthen tv or from ps3 stright to tv

[Johk]

With his receiver, he cannot get audio via HDMI...

Keep it the way it is, be sure that you select optical for the audio out and bitstream insteam of pcm on the audio options of the ps3.

When you watch a movie, select a dolby or dts soundtrack and not the pcm if you want surround sound. If you select pcm you will only get 2ch via optical.

BTW, You won't get lossless sound with that receiver.

OR,

Return the 6130, and get the 6160. Plug it the way JJxiv1215 said and you will have lossless sound and access to all soundtracks (PCM, DTS HD MA, Dolby TrueHD).

The second option would be the best one!

[Johk]

Originally Posted by djdon

hdmi to receiver?? why is that.. hdmi for the video dough.. wahts the difference if i put it receiver firs tthen tv or from ps3 stright to tv

HDMI is for both audio and video however not all receivers with HDMI connectivity can use the audio part...

[RUR]

Originally Posted by Johk

With his receiver, he cannot get audio via HDMI...

That's odd... Is it not HDMI 1.1 or better? If it is, he should be able to send PS3-decoded TrueHD/DTS MA or raw PCM via HDMI to the AVR, no?

[djdon]

Oh no wonder on my iron man i dont get Surround.. because it says ENGLISH DOLBY SURROUND TRUE HD.. that sucks.. they should make the movie with OTHER surround options too and looseless sound is GOOD or BAD?

[Johk]

Originally Posted by RUR

That's odd... Is it not HDMI 1.1 or better? If it is, he should be able to send PS3-decoded TrueHD/DTS MA or raw PCM via HDMI to the AVR, no?

The 6130 has HDMI switching with 1080p video pass-through, from the manual

Audio signals input at the HDMI jack are not output from any speaker terminals but output from the connected video
monitor.
To enjoy the sound from speakers connected to this unit,
–make an analog or digital connection besides the HDMI connection (see page 16).
–mute the volume of the connected video monitor.

[D1-2005]

Originally Posted by djdon

Oh no wonder on my iron man i dont get Surround.. because it says ENGLISH DOLBY SURROUND TRUE HD.. that sucks.. they should make the movie with OTHER surround options too and looseless sound is GOOD or BAD?

Lossless would be the best, and all lossless codecs have the dd and dts core. Your movies probably had the pcm selected which on your system would only give you 2 channels. Also make sure dd and dts are selected under your audio options on the ps3.

[djdon]

o ok.. i have it selected at DD but the thing is the movie only comes with DD TRUE HD which my receiver cant support i guess.. is there anyway to chose liek other DTS or make it sound liek that.. even if the movie doesnt give that option? right now all my 5 spears sound the same.. same thing coming from all 5 speaker the voice and sound

[Driver_King]

Do you have the PS3 set to bitstream and what post-processing do you use on your receiver?

[D1-2005]

TRUE HD has the dd in it. so your reciever can do the dd and dts part.

[Johk]

Originally Posted by djdon

Oh no wonder on my iron man i dont get Surround.. because it says ENGLISH DOLBY SURROUND TRUE HD.. that sucks.. they should make the movie with OTHER surround options too and looseless sound is GOOD or BAD?

Normally, there should be a lossy Dolby digital (even if it's not in the selection) that plays when you select the TrueHD track. So you definitely should be able to get surround sound in your current configuration (check your ps3 audio settings).

And lossless is GOOD! :P

Lossy tracks as Dolby digital and DTS (core) are limited respectively at 640 kbps and 1.5 mbps, which means that some information is loss in order to meet the limited bandwidth. DTS-HD MA and Dolby TrueHD tracks are lossless soundtracks meaning that they are identical to the master tracks with no information loss. They also allow 8 full range channels (the ".1" channel is a full range channel). The data rate depends on the tracks for example an eight-channel 24-bit/48 kHz runs on average at 4.7 Mbps (source)

LCPM soundtracks are uncompressed soundtrack which are identical to the master like the DTS-HD MA and Dolby TrueHD but they take more space since there is no compression. DTS-HD MA and Dolby TrueHD are uncompressed to pcm by the player and the receiver.

[djdon]

wow so much things about audio never heard or knew about b4.. i though surround soudn is just surround sound lol.. i appriciate all the help.. but i jus need one more help with someothing.. if someone can plz help me.. SO i go in my ps3 setting.. i go in BD settin and select the bitstream for audio.. and in audio settin i select optical .. Then i pu tthe iron man in .. i go in settin and seelct the DD TRUE HD 5.1 then i load the movie i press the triangle button and go in AUDIO option?? and when i press it it shows liek 1 ENGLISH 2 FRENCH 3 SPANIHS?? i select the 1ENGLISH is that all? or do i need more stuff becuase im not gettin surround.. all 5 spears playing exact same.. AUDIO/VOICE/effect coming from all 5 of them..

[Driver_King]

Originally Posted by djdon

or do i need more stuff becuase im not gettin surround.. all 5 spears playing exact same.. AUDIO/VOICE/effect coming from all 5 of them..

First off, what you're explaining is all channel stereo. That's not the goal of surround sound. There should be many parts in a movie that aren't going to have voices and the same "noises" coming from all of the speakers. Surround sound is supposed to place you in the action and make you feel like you're part of the movie.

[djdon]

yea and thats not happenign with the iron man movie.. some moveies yes I feel the that some part is liek action and stuff. but with iron man ALL speakers works the samee any clue why.. its only option is DD True HD

[Driver_King]

When you're playing the movie, press select to see what track is playing. Did you see my question about what post-processing mode your receiver is on?

[Johk]

Originally Posted by djdon

yea and thats not happenign with the iron man movie.. some moveies yes I feel the that some part is liek action and stuff. but with iron man ALL speakers works the samee any clue why.. its only option is DD True HD

You must have your receiver to something like "5 ch stereo". You need to put it at "Straight" (5 on your remote from the manual...)

[djdon]

yes ur right it says 5 CH stereo.. so if i put straight and bitsteam on ps3 option.. The Surround Sound should work fine righT>? even if ts DD True HD?
any other options in th ereciever i should look out for

[Johk]

Originally Posted by djdon

yes ur right it says 5 CH stereo.. so if i put straight and bitsteam on ps3 option.. The Surround Sound should work fine righT>? even if ts DD True HD?
any other options in th ereciever i should look out for

straight on the receiver and bitstream on the ps3 should work out!

You can try the sound field options for movies (spacious or dramatic) but for my taste I prefer to leave those alone

I hope it works out for you! And if you still can, consider the 6160 instead of the 6130, you won't be deceived by lossless sound!