Exactly. thats what i want! Obviously its more expensive that the 805 but Denon has better components and build quality IMO. you get what you pay for....
Last edited by Pelican170; 11-11-2008 at 04:30 PM.
Nah... Doby will be along shortly to show you that the 805 uses better components than that Denon.
To the OP, I think you have to jump up to the 5000 series Denon recievers to rival the 805.
no, not talking about just the DAC... Denon and Marantz have the edge over Onkyo. Ive had many issues with Onkyo's that your just not changing my mind. besides i think the sound they create is better...
Exactly. thats what i want! Obviously its more expensive that the 805 but Denon has better components and build quality IMO. you get what you pay for....
For $1000 more than the 805, it had better eat the 805's lunch and then demand seconds!
I've had both Onkyo and Denon in the past, albeit older models...
I currently have a Denon and wont be changing for quite some time. I found Denon better suited me sound wise so stuck with them. I did like the Onkyo just the Denon suited me better.
I think it comes down to the pairing of speakers to certain receivers and the sound that most appeals to you. It helps to be able to get the receiver you're contemplating home to try on your own speakers.
Personally i find Denon 2308 closer to Yamaha 3800 recievers,For sound (my last reciever was a Denon 7.1)
I've said this before Denon was my second choice,For me Marantz isn't even close to Yammy or Denon.( thats out of my own experience and personal opinion)
What Ive heard is Yamaha and Denon are exellent for music and crazy awesome for movies and onkyo is just good for movies, But not so good for music .
I've read on other forums about boomy bass and lack of highs or something like that while play music (Is this True?)
See i wouldn't know.I never owned a Onyko and i don't know this first hand.
But from what i read it seems Onyko owners are very happy with there products
Iam really glad i grabbed a Yamaha,No complaints here with Music And Movies.I don't know how the cheaper Yamaha models sound but the 3800(now the 3900 with 2 HDMI outs) are really impressive.My system has never sounded so good
What Ive heard is Yamaha and Denon are exellent for music and crazy awesome for movies and onkyo is just good for movies, But not so good for music .
I've read on other forums about boomy bass and lack of highs or something like that while play music (Is this True?)
Not sure where you've heard this, but I picked the Onkyo specifically because of its price to performance ratio and specifically where music is concerned. If I was looking to continue using mutli-channel analog inputs I would have gone with a Denon, probably the 4308CI as I can't afford the 5308CI, but because I'm using the PS3 for PCM and a Pioneer Elite DV-48AV for Super Audio CD, CD and DVD-Audio I found the performance of the Onkyo with DSD Direct and Pure Audio mode was most excellent and couldn't find anything sonically about the Denon that made me want to spend the extra money.
At the same price point the only reason I would have picked the Denon is because of the name. I did my testing using an Oppo 980H for transport of SACD and DVD-Audio, using DSD where SACD was concerned.
I don't know where the Onkyo owners are who find the Onkyo is lacking for music, I don't know where the professional reviews are that show the Onkyo is lacking for music (in fact they state the opposite) and I don't see anyone else with this opinion that states they've done comparisons with high resolution music.
Since I've a great deal to relate on the video side, space precludes much commentary on the Onkyo's sonic abilities. Suffice it to say, they were without audible flaw: The SR875 produced clean, loud, dynamic, and reliably excellent sound for everything I sent its way. Music tracks, such as Lang Lang playing Rachmaninoff's Piano Concerto No. 3 on a Telarc SACD recorded live at "The Proms," demonstrated the Onkyo's amplification with a big, big sound that boasted arresting dynamic range -- a sound that remained superbly defined and sweet even at real concert levels.
Overall, the receiver was musically satisfying, with a character similar to the TX-SR602, but with audibly more heft and solidity to the sonic signature, likely due to the more substantial power supply under the TX-SR805’s hood. The result of the heavier power supply gave added three dimensional depth, beyond what the 602 was capable of, breathing a little more life into the dynamic range of the reproduction. I found the TX-SR805’s sound to be natural, relative to the price point; it was smooth with minimal electronic etching and a good level of detail and control.
In comparison to the reference Rotel, the differences tended towards effects at the audible frequency extremes. The Onkyo did not sound quite as detailed or have as much spatial depth, and upper treble output was not as open or airy. Generally, words such as openness and air are qualitative audiophile speak for accurate reproduction into the ultrasonic range that, while inaudible, interacts with audible frequencies, indirectly adding to the naturalness of the playback. The TX-SR805 also did not sling surround effects about the room quite as quickly as I am used to. When considering such comparison, realize that the price difference is a factor of two between these pieces of hardware; such a price disparity indicates that they should not be considered direct competitors. Sonically, the TX-SR805 will compare favorably with or better than other price competitive receivers.
Multi-channel Analog performance (Porcupine Tree DVD-Audio)
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Using “In Absentia’, I was able to have a listen to the Onkyo’s multi-channel analog capabilities which did not disappoint. Far too many midrange a/v receivers sound flat and somewhat sterile, which is particularly noticeable with dedicated music material where there are no flashing lights from a TV to distract the careful listener. The TX-SR805 presented an enveloping sense of three dimensional acoustic space with a seamless coherency to the sound field. The sonic character of the Onkyo would best be described as smooth, full, and present when playing this recording. Exposed vocals retained a natural character while the myriad of layered harmonies was rendered richly but with nuances and detail remaining unobscured. Throughout listening to this recording using the TX-SR805, I founded added dimension and shape provided to Richard Barbieri’s subtle, intricate synthesizer performances. I also noticed some nice percussion character with drums that had a richness of timbre while metals came across as very natural, not overly bright.
Acoustic guitars during ‘Trains’ were presented by the TX-SR805 with a lot of spatial depth out of the front channels. The three dimensional characteristics were enveloping; the TX-SR805 added depth but avoided pulling the instruments too far behind the listener, which can become annoying when overdone.
During my initial evaluation of Onkyo's TX-NR905, a variety of two-channel and surround sound material was auditioned, including MP3 files, Redbook CDs, multi-channel audio discs and various concert and movie DVDs. The Onkyo proved to be extremely competent during stereo playback, and equally excelled with multi-channel material. Sans any of the equalization or room correction capabilities, the TX-NR905 performance was textbook, equivalent to other high-quality two-channel components that I have recently used. Whether I was cranking my favorite tracks off singer-bassist Me'Shell NdegéOcello’s Peace Beyond Passion (Maverick) or enjoying the self-titled DVD-Audio version of Toy Matinee (DTS Entertainment), the TX-NR905 rendered each track accurately, exhibiting excellent low-level detail, extremely linear frequency response and authoritative dynamic range.
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Although not without its shortcomings, and complex by nature of its flexibility, Onkyo still sets a new benchmark for quality and performance, challenging most audio/video receivers anywhere close to its price point.
I found this but i personally already new Yamaha and Denon were close for sound(well thats with my ears )This gentleman compares the Yamaha 3800 to Denon's 4806ci http://www.ultimateavmag.com/avrecei...00/index2.html
About music with Onkyo .
I read a couple of people complaining about it on a Canadian forum.
Like i said ,I didn't know if it was true or not ,that's why i through it out as a Question.
Like i said Before it seems everyone is happy with there Onkyo recievers.
Personally I've never had Onkyo or even gave it a listen too,So personally i can't rate it and give Onkyo my personal opinion
Yeah,Your right .
I never see them which is to bad Because i never got to audition them when purchasing a reciever,But on the other hand i can't complain what i came out with
I'm always hearing on this forum Onkyo is Better for theater and Yamaha is Better for Music.
Where do you think this comment come from?
I've read this comment on this forum more then i would like.What's up with that?
I would like to think Onkyo is great for both music and movies like Yamaha Is?
The only real issue I have with Onkyo is there archaic FW update procedure compared to Denon's.
If it weren't for some tech savvy types on AVS I would be stuck with a buggy DSP for dts-HDMA and forever in the Main Loader 1.00 SOL club.
Thankfully, with the help of those at AVS, I now have an early 805 that has the most current DSP, MainLoader and Main FW as the last ones that were rolling off the line.
The newer 1.08 FW significantly reduced audio lock time on channel changing and FF or REW DVDs and BDs.
I never experienced a dts BOMB because my primary BD player, the PS3, decodes everything internally, but I don't plan on using the PS3 forever as my main unit so I should be good to go with the DSP update.
I am still amazed at the quality of the 805 for a sub $1k receiver. Personally if I could get a new 805 for $600, I would not even look at anything else. Even the newer 806 has been cost cut compared to the 805. The 805 is the best bang for buck on the market, but it won't be there much longer.
I'm always hearing on this forum Onkyo is Better for theater and Yamaha is Better for Music.
Where do you think this comment come from?
I've read this comment on this forum more then i would like.What's up with that?
I would like to think Onkyo is great for both music and movies like Yamaha Is?
How can a unit excel for movie soundtrack reproduction and be poor for music reproduction? The DACs don't differentiate between movie soundtrack 1s and 0s and music 1s and 0s. I would take some of those comments with a grain of salt and throw them in the same camp as the 'airy, warmth, fullness' claims.
Now there are different sound modes... so IMHO, the Onkyo 805 can excel for both. All you need to know is the Onkyo has a beefy power supply and highly regarded DACs and DSPs.
How can a unit excel for movie soundtrack reproduction and be poor for music reproduction? The DACs don't differentiate between movie soundtrack 1s and 0s and music 1s and 0s. I would take some of those comments with a grain of salt and throw them in the same camp as the 'airy, warmth, fullness' claims.
Now there are different sound modes... so IMHO, the Onkyo 805 can excel for both. All you need to know is the Onkyo has a beefy power supply and highly regarded DACs and DSPs.
Yup, my Onkyo sounds great with my Energy RC-30's, RC-10's for music and movies. It isn't biased
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