Need opinions on this Subwoofer

[BR7]

I have been looking hard at the Bravus 8D - Dual 8". I was wondering if anyone has this ?If so could you give me your two cents on it.

If people know of a better one for around the same price,I would be open to suggestions.


Thanks

[Big Daddy]

Originally Posted by BR7

I have been looking hard at the Bravus 8D - Dual 8". I was wondering if anyone has this ?If so could you give me your two cents on it.

If people know of a better one for around the same price,I would be open to suggestions.

Thanks

I don't have personal experience with the subwoofer. However, Aperion is a great company and has first class customer service.

[Driver_King]

I'm going to have to bounce in here and say that that sub is extremely expensive for an 8", even if it is a dual 8". If you want output for cheap, look at the A2-300. There are plenty of other options too. The A2-300 also has a matte-gloss finish that looks 100% better than the regular finish and may blend with your decor better. (even though it is quite beastly in size)

[ozzman]

For the price in my opinion you can do better in the size of the speaker and lower in the HZ (just my personal view)

[BR7]

All your advise is appreciated.I see I have more to research to do


Thanks

[Blu-Dog]

Originally Posted by BR7

I have been looking hard at the Bravus 8D - Dual 8". I was wondering if anyone has this ?If so could you give me your two cents on it.

If people know of a better one for around the same price,I would be open to suggestions.


Thanks

It's probably a nice unit, but with dual 8" drivers, in a sealed box, a 150 watt BASH amp sounds kind of anemic.

[Big Daddy]

The sub mentioned by Driver King is a good one. Here are some other options for you.

VTF-1 or VTF-2 by Hsu Research:
http://www.hsuresearch.com/subwoofers.html

Cadence:
http://www.cadencestore.com/ProductC...idCategory=137

Definitive Technology Pro Sub 1000 or Pro Sub 800:
http://www.definitivetech.com/Produc...=ProSub%201000
http://www.definitivetech.com/Produc...d=ProSub%20800

Many Different Subwoofers at Parts Express, Some designed by Dr. Hsu:
http://www.parts-express.com/wizards...TOKEN=55685550

[BR7]

Thanks for the help,Big Daddy.I am slowly learning whats good and what isn't.


@Driver_King

60lbs!!! Holy cow
I see I have a big decision to make

[Driver_King]

That's nothing compared to their largest sub at 435 lbs. All you need to do is drag the huge box in to where you need it, flip it on its side, pull it out, set it up and enjoy.

[dobyblue]

eD's prices and performance are hard to beat - I would emphatically recommend whichever one of their subs fits in your budget.

[hagar852]

Well if you want to wait 5 weeks for a sub then get the a2-300. Mind you their customer service has much to be desired.

Now here is another thing to consider. Just because the specs say it goes to 20hz or whatever for other subs doesn't mean it sounds good doing it. There is a large difference between specs and performance.

Look at it this way.. You can buy the 8D and if you don't like it you can send it back. They pay for the shipping both ways. A co-worker of mine ordered the a2-300 got disgusted with the customer service he received and then opted for the 8D.

I have the S8 the older line of subs and yes it doesn't hit 20hz, but it produces clean, tight, and powerful base even though mine only has 100 watt amp. The 8D has more power and is much smaller than the a2-300, and I might mention the finish on the Aperion speakers is amazing. You will find it very difficult to buy a sub with its finish and performance for $500. I might also add it has a BASH amplifier in it.

I challenge anyone in this forum to find better service than what Aperion offers. Yes as you can tell I own these speakers so I know first hand how this company operates. Also I might add if you call them they may have an A-stock 8D for a lower price.

Either way you have nothing to lose in trying the 8D first, and if it isn't what you want you can send it back.. Then order whatever other sub which you will have to pay shipping for I might add.

If you didn't like the a2-300 you will have to pay for the shipping back to them and at 72lbs that won't be cheap. So to me it makes more sense to at least try the 8D risk free and actually hear it for yourself rather than take the advice of people who have never heard one. I myself have not heard an 8D either but I will be next week when I go over my co-workers house to check it out. I am sure it will be better than my S8 which does shake the walls in my house.

So the choice is up to you..

Hagar852

[Driver_King]

Originally Posted by hagar852

Well if you want to wait 5 weeks for a sub then get the a2-300. Mind you their customer service has much to be desired.

That's not true at all

Now here is another thing to consider. Just because the specs say it goes to 20hz or whatever for other subs doesn't mean it sounds good doing it. There is a large difference between specs and performance.

Obviously, you've never seen their spec charts and results.

Look at it this way.. You can buy the 8D and if you don't like it you can send it back. They pay for the shipping both ways. A co-worker of mine ordered the a2-300 got disgusted with the customer service he received and then opted for the 8D.

Did he ever even get it? What was wrong? Why didn't he like it? Why would he decide to get a much smaller sub at a more expensive price?

I have the S8 the older line of subs and yes it doesn't hit 20hz, but it produces clean, tight, and powerful base even though mine only has 100 watt amp. The 8D has more power and is much smaller than the a2-300, and I might mention the finish on the Aperion speakers is amazing. You will find it very difficult to buy a sub with its finish and performance for $500. I might also add it has a BASH amplifier in it.

It seems that you're suggesting that the A2-300 has very little power and sub-par performance based on your comments. This is far from the truth.

I challenge anyone in this forum to find better service than what Aperion offers. Yes as you can tell I own these speakers so I know first hand how this company operates. Also I might add if you call them they may have an A-stock 8D for a lower price.

eD's customer service (Chris S. at least) was probably the main reason I decided to go with them. I really want to know why you think their live support, telephone support, and e-mail support just isn't good enough.

Either way you have nothing to lose in trying the 8D first, and if it isn't what you want you can send it back.. Then order whatever other sub which you will have to pay shipping for I might add.

You expect eD to pay for shipping both ways out of their pocket? If the Aperion sub was less than half its price, it may just be worth it. Maybe all that extra money you pay to get an 8" sub goes for the shipping both ways.

If you didn't like the a2-300 you will have to pay for the shipping back to them and at 72lbs that won't be cheap. So to me it makes more sense to at least try the 8D risk free and actually hear it for yourself rather than take the advice of people who have never heard one. I myself have not heard an 8D either but I will be next week when I go over my co-workers house to check it out. I am sure it will be better than my S8 which does shake the walls in my house.

I don't know of anybody who has ordered an A2-300 and returned it because they didn't like it so free return shipping shouldn't be a reason to look at a sub. If you go with the Aperion just because it has free return shipping, something just isn't right. Sure, try the Aperion and the eD at the same time and tell me which one is better. Maybe that free return shipping on the Aperion will come in handy.

So the choice is up to you..

Hagar852

Responses bolded.

[hagar852]

I meant it had more power than my S8 and not the a2-300 sorry for the confusion on that.

Their customer service from what I could tell needs some improvement when it takes 2 days for a response, so my co-worker was left in the dark on his question for 2 days and decided to cancel his order. Being that I am the one that recommended him the a2-300, I felt as though I had mislead him on the company his was purchasing from.

And he waited 5 weeks for his sub to be built, and once he got no answer on the status of it he then decided to cancel it. So yes, you would have to wait 5 weeks for your sub to be built. Not to mention you are charged before the box is built.

Are you implying the ED is a better built sub? They are not even made out of the same materials. That is why the Aperion is more money it being made out of better grade materials. It also has an on board equalizer with a remote. Try to find any sub for $500 built with these features.

My whole point is not to say which was better or not even though I was forced to do so now, but to say that why can't someone try a product first before being told that it is inferior due to price and value. I am not specifically talking about ED or Aperion here. I am talking about that you see the same suggestions over and over.

I recently was looking at getting a new sub myself and was looking at SVS and HSU. I was leaning toward getting a SVS PSB-10NSD sub to go along with my other speakers. But I was able to get a deal on an Aperion S12 sub cheaper than the a2-300 from Aperion. So now I await the S12 to replace my S8. So I must say it was nicec to see some suggestions in this thread other than the usual around here.

I just can't agree with dismissing one product and saying it is better value when no one has experience with it.

[Driver_King]

If he contacted them on Friday or any weekend day, then that makes sense. Especially e-mail wise. Their live chat and phone support is much better. I didn't say anything about the materials used or anything either.

[blu-ray-bob#1]

Here are the Facts First Hand:

1) ED Charges your CC when they started the build

2) Free Shipping Oneway

3) I was communicating using live chat and when I asked for a refund they stopped responding

4) I didnt a get responce from them till I told them I cancelled the transaction via my cc

5) I did a LIVE CHAT with Dave from Aperion on a Thursday night a 4:30 PM PST and he promissed me he would ship the next day and He did!

Thoughts not facts but my 2 cents

1) You get what you pay for!

2) ED may make an excellent product but they need to not charge before shipping

3) ED needs to keep some inventory on hand so thier is not a five week wait

4) The Aperion sub is $114 more and guess what it came before my ED was even out of final asambley!

5) My room is 24' Long x 15' wide with 8' Celings and the couch is 20' away from the sub and it shook the couch! That with the default setting and crossover set at 60 HZ.

6) The sound was clean, clear and tight! What more could you ask for!

What ever you decide weigh all the options as in the end its your money and you dont want live with something that you dont like.

I say if someone is willing to pay for shipping both ways go for it ! You will know right away if you made the right choice!

Blu-Ray-Bob#1

[hagar852]

And yes I have seen their charts and results and read reviews on their sub. What I read by a reviewer is that the measurements he took on the A2-300 is that it started rolling off at 31hz, so it may hit 18hz but not any where near the +/- 3db level. That level begins falling at 31hz and then again at 25hz per this review..

A2-300 Review

This is what I based my specs versus performance comment on. Not just for eD but other companies as well.

[Halcro 1]

They both the Aperion and ED seem like nice woofers Aperion has remote and a nicer finish , There is alot to say about that ... I find it extremely hard to believe a 500 dollar sub can play flat to 20hz..even in a corner My .02 I like the Aperion with the 2 12s that seems like a nice piece

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by hagar852

And yes I have seen their charts and results and read reviews on their sub. What I read by a reviewer is that the measurements he took on the A2-300 is that it started rolling off at 31hz, so it may hit 18hz but not any where near the +/- 3db level. That level begins falling at 31hz and then again at 25hz per this review..

A2-300 Review

Why is it you assume it's "not anywhere near" the +/- 3dB level when the reviewer doesn't state that AT ALL anywhere in the review?

I tracked the variations in the bass response. In my room, there were bass bumps at 80 and 63Hz (+2-3dB, compared to 100Hz), while the bass response fell off gradually and smoothly below that, down to 31.5Hz. The levels at 25 and 20Hz were noticeably lower, both to the meter and to my ears. It’s my feeling that the A2-300 would offer more extension in a bigger room.

[Driver_King]

Originally Posted by blu-ray-bob#1

Thoughts not facts but my 2 cents

1) You get what you pay for!

That doesn't make sense considering you've never even experienced the sub.

2) ED may make an excellent product but they need to not charge before shipping

Uh, yes they do. You think they're going to deal with people who do what you do without paying? That's a waste...

3) ED needs to keep some inventory on hand so thier is not a five week wait

They are still a small company and are working overtime just to get the current orders in. Please watch what you say.

4) The Aperion sub is $114 more and guess what it came before my ED was even out of final asambley!

Aperion is a huge company compared to eD and has machines doing all the work. eD isn't there yet. Where did you get $114 from when the A2-300 used to be $315 and now it is $350? That's $150 more for the Aperion with free shipping on both.

5) My room is 24' Long x 15' wide with 8' Celings and the couch is 20' away from the sub and it shook the couch! That with the default setting and crossover set at 60 HZ.

What does that have to do with the A2-300?

6) The sound was clean, clear and tight! What more could you ask for!

A lot actually.

What ever you decide weigh all the options as in the end its your money and you dont want live with something that you dont like.

What exactly is wrong with the physical sub?

I say if someone is willing to pay for shipping both ways go for it ! You will know right away if you made the right choice!

There are plenty of companies that have that option but that doesn't mean you made a good choice. I don't understand that logic at all.

Hagar, I highly doubt that the A2-300 simply drops off at 32hz. That is a pretty big accusation without any hard evidence (that guy was saying it would be better if it was in a larger room) and other evidence that would refute that. (eD's real charts)

[Driver_King]

Here's the hard evidence:



I hope you don't think they're lying.