what the sales man told me about hdmi cables

[blu_world]

he said when he used the cheap ps3 cable that came in the box,he could get 1080P picture but not uncompressed sound and only dolby surround sound.

bad cable?..or trying to trick me into thinking the expensive 120 doller energy is a good buy...also he gave me a discount for the sale price of 80 bucks for it later on...

the cable design was nice,one of those clothe covered ones..but still!...
i want to hear what you guys have to say about this shady sales guy.

[kevinbr100]

Originally Posted by blu_world

he said when he used the cheap ps3 cable that came in the box,he could get 1080P picture but not uncompressed sound and only dolby surround sound.

bad cable?..or trying to trick me into thinking the expensive 120 doller energy is a good buy...also he gave me a discount for the sale price of 80 bucks for it later on...

the cable design was nice,one of those clothe covered ones..but still!...
i want to hear what you guys have to say about this shady sales guy.

sales guy. doesnt that give u ur answer right there? and cables and adapters usually have some of the highest profit margins in the store.

[allstar780]

i think the common misconception is that sales people try to screw you... for the most part I think they're 1) just doing their job. and 2) fed propaganda from the bosses and companies

really I would use something other than the cable that comes in the box (i always do... even if the cable is only $10) but theres probably no need to.

[blushiz]

$1,000 HDMI cable or $1 HDMI cable. The cable has NO AFFECT. All HDMI cables are the same, and it's been scientifically proven by many people including an electrical engineer. Go look at some of the threads blu-ray.com has pinned in the HT category.

Buy your cables at monoprice.com for $3. Remember, everyone wants to f**k you and everyone wants your money.

Wise you are for asking first, young padawan.

[Original-6ix]

Originally Posted by blu_world

he said when he used the cheap ps3 cable that came in the box,he could get 1080P picture but not uncompressed sound and only dolby surround sound.

bad cable?..or trying to trick me into thinking the expensive 120 doller energy is a good buy...also he gave me a discount for the sale price of 80 bucks for it later on...

the cable design was nice,one of those clothe covered ones..but still!...
i want to hear what you guys have to say about this shady sales guy.

maybe im wrong but when did the ps3 come with an hdmi cable, if it does my bad but if it doesnt then your sales guy is a liar.

[SideEffect34]

Originally Posted by Original-6ix

maybe im wrong but when did the ps3 come with an hdmi cable, if it does my bad but if it doesnt then your sales guy is a liar.

It doesn't. PS3 sells them separately like just for the PS3.

Anyways, when I got my TV back in August, the sales man said the same exact thing to me and my dad. My dad ended up buying the more expensive one.

[Maximus]

When it comes to any digital cable, always go with the cheaper one. It makes no difference.

I would rather spend £2.50 twice if one breaks than £50 on a Monster cable.

Hell I just bought a generic brand HDMI cable for my £2000 receiver, it cost me £1.99!

[ObiTrentKenobi]

1. the ps3 doesn't come with an HDMI cable... he was probably telling you about the component cables...


2. the real misconception is that "digital is digital". Sorry, that's not true.



Are all graphics cards the same? NO! they're hardware built on digital technology and outputs, just like HDMI.

Are all mp3 files the same? NO! they're digital files, but with different compressions, different qualities.

Are all dvd players the same? NO! they're hardware with different components, built on digital outputs and technology, just like HDMI.

HDTV's are digital, are they all the same? NO! they have many factors. Cables also have multiple factors to their build quality.

Build quality makes a huge difference when you're talking about cables. not even all HDMI cables can do 1080p! some can only do 720p. That tells you something also... i was an electronics salesman for 3 years, not any longer though, so i'm not trying to sell you anything

The salesman wanted to give you the best EXPERIENCE IN HD you can get! I did the same thing, I would tell customers "you have an HDTV, why use a lower grade cable? This HDMI cable is the best experience you will have in Picture AND Sound". Why spend 3-10$ on a cable to put on your 1000$+ tv?

some brands of cables aren't marked up very much actually compared to the store brands or lower name brands (namely monster), there's really little profit to the store. If he wanted to make some real money on you, he would've sold you a store brand, or rca or something like that.

Sales people know that if you don't get the best experience, you'll come back to whine about it and say "why doesn't it do what it's suppose to?". And they'll have to say "well, because you didn't purchase the -insert accessory here- like we recommended". that's ONE of the absolute most annoying things to a salesman in electronics.

[Maximus]

Do you by any chance work for Monster?

Seriously, all those examples of digital aren't valid. We're not talking about the source, that's the difference between buying a cheapo Blu-ray player and a Pioneer, obviously the Pio would be better quality. I don't think many people would dispute that.

What we are saying is that the transmission is digital, so the signal is either on or off. You get a picture or you don't, there are no varying degrees of quality like there was for component or VGA which are legacy analogue methods.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/03/a...ter-cable-and/

Expensive cable is pretty much all a con trick, especially in a digital age.

[SatinKzo]

Originally Posted by ObiTrentKenobi

1. the ps3 doesn't come with an HDMI cable... he was probably telling you about the component cables...


2. the real misconception is that "digital is digital". Sorry, that's not true.



Are all graphics cards the same? NO! they're hardware built on digital technology and outputs, just like HDMI.

Are all mp3 files the same? NO! they're digital files, but with different compressions, different qualities.

Are all dvd players the same? NO! they're hardware with different components, built on digital outputs and technology, just like HDMI.

HDTV's are digital, are they all the same? NO! they have many factors. Cables also have multiple factors to their build quality.

Build quality makes a huge difference when you're talking about cables. not even all HDMI cables can do 1080p! some can only do 720p. That tells you something also... i was an electronics salesman for 3 years, not any longer though, so i'm not trying to sell you anything

The salesman wanted to give you the best EXPERIENCE IN HD you can get! I did the same thing, I would tell customers "you have an HDTV, why use a lower grade cable? This HDMI cable is the best experience you will have in Picture AND Sound". Why spend 3-10$ on a cable to put on your 1000$+ tv?

some brands of cables aren't marked up very much actually compared to the store brands or lower name brands (namely monster), there's really little profit to the store. If he wanted to make some real money on you, he would've sold you a store brand, or rca or something like that.

Sales people know that if you don't get the best experience, you'll come back to whine about it and say "why doesn't it do what it's suppose to?". And they'll have to say "well, because you didn't purchase the -insert accessory here- like we recommended". that's ONE of the absolute most annoying things to a salesman in electronics.

There is so much flawed with your examples and your reasoning that I can only HOPE you are being sarcastic. If not, I am sad for you and sad for your past customers.

[DetroitSportsFan]

Originally Posted by ObiTrentKenobi

i was an electronics salesman for 3 years, not any longer though, so i'm not trying to sell you anything

Are you sure?

[Brain Sturgeon]

There's really only one factor that you need to look for when buying an HDMI cable:

Recently, HDMI Licensing, LLC announced that cables would be tested as Standard or High-Speed cables.

• Standard (or “category 1”) cables have been tested to perform at speeds of 75Mhz, which is the equivalent of a 1080i signal.

• High Speed (or “category 2”) cables have been tested to perform at speeds of 340Mhz, which is the highest bandwidth currently available over an HDMI cable and can successfully handle 1080p signals including those at increased color depths and/or increased refresh rates. High-Speed cables are also able to accommodate higher resolution displays, such as WQXGA cinema monitors (resolution of 2560 x 1600).

So any high speed spec HDMI cable (frequently called HDMI 1.3 cable) will work for all common applications. When running short lengths, pretty much any cable spec'd as high speed, regardless of how cheap, will work. If you're going to run long lengths (>25'), you might want to consider getting a higher build cost cable, such as Blue Jeans Cable Belden Series-1 Bonded-Pair Cable or Monoprice's 22 AWG cable.

But for God's sake, do not spend an arm and a leg getting any of Monster/Best Buy's/etc severely overpriced cables. Do yourself a huge favor and check out either www.monoprice.com or www.bluejeanscable.com . I have used many of their HDMI cables, and I have also used some of Monster's cables that I was suckered into buying before I learned a thing or two. All of them work just fine, despite the huge difference in price tag.

[Jacobisthe]

Originally Posted by blu_world

he said when he used the cheap ps3 cable that came in the box,he could get 1080P picture but not uncompressed sound and only dolby surround sound.

bad cable?..or trying to trick me into thinking the expensive 120 doller energy is a good buy...also he gave me a discount for the sale price of 80 bucks for it later on...

the cable design was nice,one of those clothe covered ones..but still!...
i want to hear what you guys have to say about this shady sales guy.

Well if his cable wasn't 1.3 than it doesn't support uncompressed audio (wikipedia support for that was added in 1.3 but it may be wrong), so he might not have been lying to you, and it is his job to sell the products in the store.

[My_Two_Cents]

Originally Posted by ObiTrentKenobi

HDTV's are digital, are they all the same? NO! they have many factors. Cables also have multiple factors to their build quality.

Build quality makes a huge difference when you're talking about cables. not even all HDMI cables can do 1080p! some can only do 720p. That tells you something also... i was an electronics salesman for 3 years, not any longer though, so i'm not trying to sell you anything

The salesman wanted to give you the best EXPERIENCE IN HD you can get! I did the same thing, I would tell customers "you have an HDTV, why use a lower grade cable? This HDMI cable is the best experience you will have in Picture AND Sound". Why spend 3-10$ on a cable to put on your 1000$+ tv?

Sorry, your arguments don't hold any water around here. Some cables only do 720p? Shown me one being sold today that only does this, and don't try to feed me the Monster BS chart that claims this, because it is WRONG. ALL of the Monster cables are capable of sending a 1080p signal. Your only valid point is that build quality matters. Yes it does, and the build quality of Monoprice cables has been proven time-and-again to be top-notch. I would also argue thet the build quality of the (still overpriced) Sony PS3 cable is also top notch, but will provide no better or worse picture than a $3 Monoprice cable or a $200 Monster cable. If you wish to spend your $$ on overpriced cables, go right ahead, but stop trying to convince people around here that it must be done "in order to fully enjoy your HD experience", because that is just plain BS.

[My_Two_Cents]

Originally Posted by Jacobisthe

Well if his cable wasn't 1.3 than it doesn't support uncompressed audio (wikipedia support for that was added in 1.3 but it may be wrong), so he might not have been lying to you, and it is his job to sell the products in the store.

HDMI versions (e.g. 1.3a) mean nothing on a cable. All category 2 cables are capable of passing the full audio and video signals available today. You'd be hard-pressed to find ANY non-category 2 HDMI cables being sold today. The guy was spreading BS, either because he didn't know any better or because he was trying to upsell more expensive products.

[Brain Sturgeon]

Originally Posted by Jacobisthe

Well if his cable wasn't 1.3 than it doesn't support uncompressed audio (wikipedia support for that was added in 1.3 but it may be wrong), so he might not have been lying to you, and it is his job to sell the products in the store.

Nope. Multichannel LPCM has been supported in the HDMI spec since 1.0, so there is no HDMI spec that does not include support for multichannel uncompressed audio.

From the wiki site:

HDMI 1.0
Released December 9, 2002.[12]
A single cable digital audio/video connector interface with a maximum TMDS bandwidth of 4.9 Gbit/s. Supports up to 3.96 Gbit/s of video bandwidth (1080p60 Hz or UXGA) and 8 channel LPCM/192 kHz/24-bit audio.

However, the HDMI specs are for the hardware (e.g. BD players, receivers, prepros, displays, etc) and not for the cables. That's why calling the cables "1.3 spec" is confusing. Either way, any "HDMI 1.3 spec cable" or "Category 2 High Speed HDMI cable" will support 1080p and multichannel LPCM. Truthfully speaking, at short lengths (<6 feet or so), almost any HDMI cable will do the job in common applications. At longer lengths, a better quality cable will probably be needed.

[Hammie]

Actually, the statement where not all HDMI cables are the same is sort of accurate. HDMI cables come in two different categories. You want a Category 2 HDMI cable. These have been tested to exceed the 1080p standard (I think if memory serves me this early in the morning, it will support up to 1600 or 2450p). Category 1 cables have only been tested and certified to support 720p ans 1080i.

So, buying a 1.3 cable does not guarantee that it is a category 2 cable. It neeeds to be labeled "Category 2" or "High Speed." If it is not labled this way, you may have a "standard" HDMI cable and may give you a number of possible issues.

[guitarist155]

here we go again lol when it comes to analog there is a huge difference with cables, when it comes to hdmi and digital, not so much, over long runs you can get misinterpreted data the error correction will then have to guess at things like color, contrast, etc which can result in a slightly differed picture or snow. now what most people don't understand is there is a big difference in cheap and inexpensive cables and just because it costs alot won't make it better, bestbuy pays around $5-8 for the $100 monster cables. so they are not even expensive cables don't let the price fool you, places like monoprice and bjc use top company cabling, the same stuff i use in pro recording studios i have never seen a pro studio using all monster. we use gepco, beldin, mogami, cannere, but not monster. that being said i use a monster guitar cable as they have a killer you break it we replace it warranty and it's an unbalanced analog connection

[gearyt]

Originally Posted by blu_world

.i want to hear what you guys have to say about this shady sales guy.

[gearyt]

Originally Posted by SatinKzo

There is so much flawed with your examples and your reasoning that I can only HOPE you are being sarcastic. If not, I am sad for you and sad for your past customers.

WOW.. talk about the mis-informed....