Projector Advice

[Cuttersky]

Hey everyone I think I have brain overload from trying to research projectors. There are not many stores here that have decent HT setups to go view (And the chain places like Modia are always just trying to get you to open your wallet without really addressing your needs) So I am looking to my fellow enthusiasts for advice or direction. In your opinion what are the better or best 1080p projectors for around a $2500 price range. I will have a 110" screen, up to 25' of throw room and a room with some ambient light. Any and all advice is welcome. TY all!!

[Oddiophile]

For around $2500 I would look at the Epson 6500UB & Panasonic AE3000.

AVSforum.com has a B stock sale going on JVC RS2 that I believe are around $2500 but you will have to email or call them to know for sure. They are not making the price public.

Also CEDIA is next month and all the new front projectors will be unveiled and released 4Th quarter. That is when you will be able to get the new crop of projectors and close out pricing on the current models.

[ryoohki]

Yeah Cedia is in 1 month. Even tought i have a AE3000 and i'am very happy with it, i can't wait to see the new crop of hardware!

[Oddiophile]

Originally Posted by ryoohki

Yeah Cedia is in 1 month. Even tought i have a AE3000 and i'am very happy with it, i can't wait to see the new crop of hardware!

Me either, the leaked info on the three new JVC projectors has me salivating.
80,000:1 native contrast with 1000 Lumens, rumored increase to 500:1+ ANSI contrast, frame interpolation, and rumored lens memory like the AE3000. I keep telling myself, your happy with your RS10, Your happy with your RS10, Your happy with your RS10...

[Cuttersky]

Originally Posted by Oddiophile

For around $2500 I would look at the Epson 6500UB & Panasonic AE3000.

AVSforum.com has a B stock sale going on JVC RS2 that I believe are around $2500 but you will have to email or call them to know for sure. They are not making the price public.

Also CEDIA is next month and all the new front projectors will be unveiled and released 4Th quarter. That is when you will be able to get the new crop of projectors and close out pricing on the current models.

I called AVscienc about the B stock sale on the JVC RS2 and on the price!!! I had to give my info to be put down for the next bunch they are getting in this week (did not commit to buy yet) Kind of nervous on what a B stock is... If it is a unit that had a issue and they fixed it who backs the 2 year warranty? Do we get a letter that says what was wrong and fixed? Ect ect... Anyone ever bought a B stock before?

[Another_Dude]

Panny PT-AE3000U



What was the question again?

[Oddiophile]

Originally Posted by Cuttersky

I called AVscienc about the B stock sale on the JVC RS2 and on the price!!! I had to give my info to be put down for the next bunch they are getting in this week (did not commit to buy yet) Kind of nervous on what a B stock is... If it is a unit that had a issue and they fixed it who backs the 2 year warranty? Do we get a letter that says what was wrong and fixed? Ect ect... Anyone ever bought a B stock before?

"B" stock can be anything from an open box, but unused. Dealer demo, customer return, minor cosmetic damage, trade show demo being resold. There typically like new condition products being resold with a manufacturer warranty. If the units are coming from JVC I doubt they will come with anything that will say why it was a B stock. The manufacturer (in this case JVC) should fully back the 2 year warranty.

[Cuttersky]

Originally Posted by Oddiophile

"B" stock can be anything from an open box, but unused. Dealer demo, customer return, minor cosmetic damage, trade show demo being resold. There typically like new condition products being resold with a manufacturer warranty. If the units are coming from JVC I doubt they will come with anything that will say why it was a B stock. The manufacturer (in this case JVC) should fully back the 2 year warranty.

I called back and they said the warranty is the same warranty as if the unit was bought brand new in box. The reviews on this projector are pretty good. This projector will out perfom any $2500 projector out there??

[Oddiophile]

Originally Posted by Cuttersky

I called back and they said the warranty is the same warranty as if the unit was bought brand new in box. The reviews on this projector are pretty good. This projector will out perfom any $2500 projector out there??

Here is a good review on the RS2
http://www.projectorreviews.com/jvc/dla-rs2/

Epson 6500UB
http://www.projectorreviews.com/epso...00ub/index.php

& Panasonic AE3000U
http://www.projectorreviews.com/pana...000u/index.php

Note the RS2 was originally an $8000 projector.


One negative to the RS2 is brightness, the RS2 only has 600 lumens rated at the D65 standard. That should be OK for a 110" screen but it's not going to be super bright. The Epson & Panny would be much brighter, but you then you would be at LCD and dynamic iris's.

There are no perfect products out there, finding the right one is finding the one that has the flaws that YOU can live with.

Both LCD and JVC's DILA have there strengths and weaknesses.
LCD's have a visible pixel structure people have dubbed "SDE" (Screen door Effect). If you sit too close to an LCD you will see the pixel structure that looks like your looking threw a screen door. LCDs also have to have an open light path and are susceptible to dust blobs.

LCoS (or DILA as JVC calls it) has a better pixel fill ratio then LCD so there is no SDE. Also the light path is sealed on LCoS so there is no dust blob problem.

It's hard to say if DILA looks better then LCD, but it does look different. I had a Sony LCD front projector with 10,000:1 dynamic contrast with a iris before the JVC. The picture looked good but I could be the pumping from the dynamic iris and brightness compression.

The JVC RS10 has as much as 33,000:1 contrast without a dynamic iris. So there is no pumping from an iris, brightness compression, or artifacts. The JVC is the most CRT like projector I have ever seen!!!

If I was in your shoes I would probably go with the AE3000 if I was going to do a 2:35 cinema scope screen. The pannys lens memory lets you easily zoom in and out of the screen at the push of a button, No expensive anamorphic lens required. If I was going to stick with a 16:9 screen then I would go with the JVC.

[Cuttersky]

Originally Posted by Oddiophile

Here is a good review on the RS2
http://www.projectorreviews.com/jvc/dla-rs2/

Epson 6500UB
http://www.projectorreviews.com/epso...00ub/index.php

& Panasonic AE3000U
http://www.projectorreviews.com/pana...000u/index.php

Note the RS2 was originally an $8000 projector.


One negative to the RS2 is brightness, the RS2 only has 600 lumens rated at the D65 standard. That should be OK for a 110" screen but it's not going to be super bright. The Epson & Panny would be much brighter, but you then you would be at LCD and dynamic iris's.

There are no perfect products out there, finding the right one is finding the one that has the flaws that YOU can live with.

Both LCD and JVC's DILA have there strengths and weaknesses.
LCD's have a visible pixel structure people have dubbed "SDE" (Screen door Effect). If you sit too close to an LCD you will see the pixel structure that looks like your looking threw a screen door. LCDs also have to have an open light path and are susceptible to dust blobs.

LCoS (or DILA as JVC calls it) has a better pixel fill ratio then LCD so there is no SDE. Also the light path is sealed on LCoS so there is no dust blob problem.

It's hard to say if DILA looks better then LCD, but it does look different. I had a Sony LCD front projector with 10,000:1 dynamic contrast with a iris before the JVC. The picture looked good but I could be the pumping from the dynamic iris and brightness compression.

The JVC RS10 has as much as 33,000:1 contrast without a dynamic iris. So there is no pumping from an iris, brightness compression, or artifacts. The JVC is the most CRT like projector I have ever seen!!!

If I was in your shoes I would probably go with the AE3000 if I was going to do a 2:35 cinema scope screen. The pannys lens memory lets you easily zoom in and out of the screen at the push of a button, No expensive anamorphic lens required. If I was going to stick with a 16:9 screen then I would go with the JVC.

Thanks for all the advice. Another question I have is with the JVC only having a lumens of 600 is that going to work in a room with ambient light? My room is not totally dark.

[Oddiophile]

Originally Posted by Cuttersky

Thanks for all the advice. Another question I have is with the JVC only having a lumens of 600 is that going to work in a room with ambient light? My room is not totally dark.

Typically when it comes to ambient light in the room, the brighter the better. You may want to consider going with a gray screen like the graywolf or Stewart FireHawk. Gray screens are good at rejecting ambient light and helping you get a better picture with light in the room.

If you can't get the room totally dark you will never see the full potential of the JVC's black levels. It's the blacks that make this projector so spectacular. The more light in the room the more it can/will wash out the picture.

[Oddiophile]

Here is a Panasonic AE3000 vs JVC RS2 thread that poped up today on the AVSforum that may help you.


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1170197

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by Another_Dude

Panny PT-AE3000U



What was the question again?

+1

Go for it. It beats the JVC on versatility (ambient light, lens memory, gaming mode). If you're a theatre puritan, and have a darkened theatre and equipment to match, then, and only then, does the JVC make more sense.

[murph1234]

Originally Posted by Oddiophile

Here is a good review on the RS2
http://www.projectorreviews.com/jvc/dla-rs2/

Epson 6500UB
http://www.projectorreviews.com/epso...00ub/index.php

& Panasonic AE3000U
http://www.projectorreviews.com/pana...000u/index.php

Note the RS2 was originally an $8000 projector.


One negative to the RS2 is brightness, the RS2 only has 600 lumens rated at the D65 standard. That should be OK for a 110" screen but it's not going to be super bright. The Epson & Panny would be much brighter, but you then you would be at LCD and dynamic iris's.

There are no perfect products out there, finding the right one is finding the one that has the flaws that YOU can live with.

Both LCD and JVC's DILA have there strengths and weaknesses.
LCD's have a visible pixel structure people have dubbed "SDE" (Screen door Effect). If you sit too close to an LCD you will see the pixel structure that looks like your looking threw a screen door. LCDs also have to have an open light path and are susceptible to dust blobs.

LCoS (or DILA as JVC calls it) has a better pixel fill ratio then LCD so there is no SDE. Also the light path is sealed on LCoS so there is no dust blob problem.

It's hard to say if DILA looks better then LCD, but it does look different. I had a Sony LCD front projector with 10,000:1 dynamic contrast with a iris before the JVC. The picture looked good but I could be the pumping from the dynamic iris and brightness compression.

The JVC RS10 has as much as 33,000:1 contrast without a dynamic iris. So there is no pumping from an iris, brightness compression, or artifacts. The JVC is the most CRT like projector I have ever seen!!!

If I was in your shoes I would probably go with the AE3000 if I was going to do a 2:35 cinema scope screen. The pannys lens memory lets you easily zoom in and out of the screen at the push of a button, No expensive anamorphic lens required. If I was going to stick with a 16:9 screen then I would go with the JVC.

Of memory from reading the reviews you are right in saying that the jvc is 600 lumens at d65 but that is actually brighter than the Epson and the panasonic when they are calibrated to D65 (i think they both measured around 450)

the panasonic and epson come in to their own when put in brightest mode. they are 2 x 3 times bright than the jvc but you sacrifice image quality. (which doesnt mater with sports and such)

so in a dark room and calibrated properly then the JVC all the way but if you have ambient light then go for one of the other options as suggested by everyone here


from http://www.projectorreviews.com/epso...erformance.php

"When doing the side-by-side images comparing the Epson Home Cinema 6500UB to the Panasonic PT-AE3000, I had to drop the Epson into low lamp mode, and it still appeared just a tad brighter than the Panasonic at full lamp power. That pretty much says it all.

In "best mode" Epson's calibrated 587 lumens makes it brighter than average for best mode performance, but it can't match the lumens of the Sony VPL-HW10 or the JVC RS1 in their best modes - both are around 800 lumens"

[Oddiophile]

Originally Posted by murph1234

In "best mode" Epson's calibrated 587 lumens makes it brighter than average for best mode performance, but it can't match the lumens of the Sony VPL-HW10 or the JVC RS1 in their best modes - both are around 800 lumens"

The RS1 is also a brighter projector then the RS2.

You get more on/off contrast on the RS2 compared to the RS1, but you sacrifice lumens for the increase in on/off.

A lot of RS2 owners have moved to the RS20 because of both the increase in contrast and lumens. That's not to say the RS2 is a dim projector, but most feel it doesn't have the lumens to drive BIG SCREENS!!!!!! The first gen JVC RS1/HD1 & RS2/HD100 are also notorious for the lamps dimming quickly. The 2nd gen HD350/RS10 & HD750/RS20's lamps do not dim as quickly but are only rated to 1500 hours, then it's another $400 for a new lamp.

[PurpleJesus74]

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1218012518974
I just ordered this projector from Best Buy,it has gotten really good reviews,and i got 3 years no interest,so i went for it.Now i need to get some room darkening blinds and find a good screen.You might take a look at it.

[Cuttersky]

So I have narrowed it down to two projectors on two different price points. 1) The Misti HC6500 (or 6800 if I want to wait alittle more) for around $2300 and 2) JVC HD350 for around $3800. The blacks on the JVC are just amazing!! And the Misti 6500 looked really nice also... I guess my question is ... Is the JVC that much better a projector for the extra 1500 buckaroos? Any thoughts on this?

[Oddiophile]

Originally Posted by Cuttersky

So I have narrowed it down to two projectors on two different price points. 1) The Misti HC6500 (or 6800 if I want to wait alittle more) for around $2300 and 2) JVC HD350 for around $3800. The blacks on the JVC are just amazing!! And the Misti 6500 looked really nice also... I guess my question is ... Is the JVC that much better a projector for the extra 1500 buckaroos? Any thoughts on this?

If you love watching dark movies like I do then YES, it's worth the money for JVC's industry leading black levels. I have the RS10 which is the same projector as the HD350 only the RS10 has gold trim and a couple of features the HD350 doesn't have.

Also if you can wait till November/December you may want to wait for the new models from JVC. They will have improved contrast, brightness, features, and 120hz frame interpolation. for about $500 more MSRP then the current models. If I were you I would wait unless you needed a projector now then the HD350/RS10

I almost want to sell my RS10 to upgrade to one of the new models.

[Cuttersky]

Finally made a decision ... Going with the Mitsh HC6800 ... Will be installed and set up on Thursday!! Might take Friday off to watch movies all Thursday night and Friday..

[ditch-digger]

awesome.......nothing comes close to the enjoyment of a projector in home theater...