Why most of the internet sites are pro HD-DVD???

[gianniss]

Hi guys, new to this forum and I love it. Sorry my english.
I'm from Argentina (currently living in Greece where Blu just take off). Giving that Blu-Ray offer more capacity storage and undoubtly is more future proof I'm very surprised: why so much love for HD-DVD and most important, why most of the sites on the web are so pro HD-DVD. I'm not talking of course about that site (wich I call "The Liar") but sites that I thought were very responsable like dvdtalk or dvdreview: check their last comments about the Fox delays, it is so wrong and irresponsably that really makes me wonder (and I was censored there just for telling them that I was unhappy with their comments and evidently there were on the HD-DVD side). Anyway thanks!!

[iceman]

Probably because a lot of the "reviewers", "bloggers" and "web sites" that are suspiciously biased towards HD-DVD are paid by Microsoft or Toshiba. Microsoft are well known for paying people to blog positively about their products, because people tend to trust "neutral" reviewers/bloggers/posters more than advertising.

[Scorxpion]

Because just simple they are biased totally to illusion of HD-DVD.They are totally completely blind and dont wanna see the truth of BD.YOu have been fired from their side because for a simple reason you are telling them the truth and they even dont want to listen or hear anything about how BD is wonderful.They are totally blind and they will keep on this way until HD-DVD declare that they lost the war.

[BTBuck1]

Because when you are at the TOP (Sony) people always wanna see you fall. They love the "Underdog"

The sad thing is, They are only hurting themselves rooting for the "underdog"

[Heavens Downfall]

Im rooting for the underdog... De la hoya though.

[thunderhawk]

Originally Posted by Heavens Downfall

Im rooting for the underdog... De la hoya though.

Everything is relative.

The HD DVD PRG likes to spread FUD, it's a tactic they learned from the Apple vs Microsoft war in the '80s.

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by gianniss

Hi guys, new to this forum and I love it. Sorry my english.
I'm from Argentina (currently living in Greece where Blu just take off). Giving that Blu-Ray offer more capacity storage and undoubtly is more future proof I'm very surprised: why so much love for HD-DVD and most important, why most of the sites on the web are so pro HD-DVD. I'm not talking of course about that site (wich I call "The Liar") but sites that I thought were very responsable like dvdtalk or dvdreview: check their last comments about the Fox delays, it is so wrong and irresponsably that really makes me wonder (and I was censored there just for telling them that I was unhappy with their comments and evidently there were on the HD-DVD side). Anyway thanks!!

Welcome to the forum!

There seems to be a general lack of journalism out there. Lots of strange conclusions based on incomplete facts or pure errors, or simply repeating planted nonsense (e.g. you can always count on a Rob Enderle article becoming the basis for a whole other set of articles elsewhere).

In the end what matters is who is selling more discs. And at this point Blu-ray is doing very, very well in North America, and looks like it is totally dominating elsewhere (e.g. UK, Europe, Japan and Australia). But, notice how this simple fact seems to continuously elude the posters and reporters?

Gary

[LeoneFan]

It's very simple, when an inferior product like HDDVD is beind hyped over the superior product someone is paying someone off. DVDtalk is the most obvious and they don't even hide it. Take that Josh Z. guy for example, the guy goes around the DVDtalk forum and AVS forum spreading his HDDVD garbage propaganda then he reviews Blu-ray discs. Ha!! I guess as long as they can keep their site running with the M$ money they don't care about their long term credibility.

[Gil T Pleasure]

Originally Posted by BTBuck1

Because when you are at the TOP (Sony) people always wanna see you fall.

So true. Also some people hate Sony so much so that they'd rather have an inferior product than let Sony win.

[dvda-sacd]

I like BD! I like CD! I love SACD and my Sony SACD player! Thank you, Sony!

[MrBogey]

A lot of sites hopped on HD DVD because it made it to market first and wowwed a few people. Sony has a bad history of pissing off internet geeks by trying out DRM schemes. As a result a lot of people initially backed HD DVD and are too stubborn to back off.

[LeoneFan]

Originally Posted by MrBogey

A lot of sites hopped on HD DVD because it made it to market first and wowwed a few people. Sony has a bad history of pissing off internet geeks by trying out DRM schemes. As a result a lot of people initially backed HD DVD and are too stubborn to back off.

Except they are hypocrites since M$ is a big backer of HDDVD.

[Chad Varnadore]

HD DVD doesn't have the industry support of BD, which means fewer studios and fewer manufacturers promoting their product in the real world where it actually matters. The online community is one of early adopters and pretty trivial in the bigger scheme of things. Since HD DVD didn't have as many pockets to dig into for advertising support, they've instead done the only other thing they could - target the online community where publicity is virtually free.

Late last year the HD DVD promotion group commissioned Weber Shandwick to compile a list of the most influential sites online, basically the home theater and movie related sites that recieved the most traffic I suspect. I know this because we were one of the sites named. And not long after one of our editors was contacted by the HD DVD promotion group to set up an interview. At which he basically spread the same HD DVD gospel that we had all been hearing for months, but the guy they sent out couldn't answer any of what I considered pretty basic questions that we asked. They were more friendly and should have been more common knowledge than the questions that Don Eklund of Sony was given in the WSR interview anyway.

A couple months later Sony also contacted us and I believe at least a few others, inviting us out to the studio to discuss BD with Mr. Eklund. It sounded much more open and educational than what the HD DVD promotion group cooked up, which basically was to send a personable salesperson to buddy up with us, where Sony was offering a direct one on one with the man in charge, someone that could actually answer the tough questions. Living on the other side of the continent, I couldn't work it out too easily, as much as I would have relished the opportunity. But I believe Bill Hunt and Peter Bracke both took Sony up on their offer and reported back on their sites. You could even see a change in Bracke's attitude toward BD immediately. Though, personally, I still think he's trying to play more to what he percieves to be the popular tune for the sake of growing his readership or at least not alienating them against him, while he's just getting started. Hunt has as good a handle on the industry as anyone, and I think he's got it figured out pretty well based on recent editorials.

[LeoneFan]

^^^

Not surprising. Whenever M$ is involved you know it's money over quality. They don't make better products, but they sure can buy some good reviews.

[iceman]

Originally Posted by Chad Varnadore

HD DVD doesn't have the industry support of BD, which means fewer studios and fewer manufacturers promoting their product in the real world where it actually matters. The online community is one of early adopters and pretty trivial in the bigger scheme of things. Since HD DVD didn't have as many pockets to dig into for advertising support, they've instead done the only other thing they could - target the online community where publicity is virtually free.

Late last year the HD DVD promotion group commissioned Weber Shandwick to compile a list of the most influential sites online, basically the home theater and movie related sites that recieved the most traffic I suspect. I know this because we were one of the sites named. And not long after one of our editors was contacted by the HD DVD promotion group to set up an interview. At which he basically spread the same HD DVD gospel that we had all been hearing for months, but the guy they sent out couldn't answer any of what I considered pretty basic questions that we asked. They were more friendly and should have been more common knowledge than the questions that Don Eklund of Sony was given in the WSR interview anyway.

A couple months later Sony also contacted us and I believe at least a few others, inviting us out to the studio to discuss BD with Mr. Eklund. It sounded much more open and educational than what the HD DVD promotion group cooked up, which basically was to send a personable salesperson to buddy up with us, where Sony was offering a direct one on one with the man in charge, someone that could actually answer the tough questions. Living on the other side of the continent, I couldn't work it out too easily, as much as I would have relished the opportunity. But I believe Bill Hunt and Peter Bracke both took Sony up on their offer and reported back on their sites. You could even see a change in Bracke's attitude toward BD immediately. Though, personally, I still think he's trying to play more to what he percieves to be the popular tune for the sake of growing his readership or at least not alienating them against him, while he's just getting started. Hunt has as good a handle on the industry as anyone, and I think he's got it figured out pretty well based on recent editorials.

I was going to mention Peter Bracke before I had read that far

Thank you for the reply, very informative and makes perfect sense. I just wonder why hddvdprg hasn't contacted blu-ray.com?

[bluflu]

The funniest thing I've seen is when you do a Google search for "blu-ray". HD DVD comes up as the top sponsor for Blu-ray. Talk about an act of desperation and misrepresentation.

[LeoneFan]

Originally Posted by bluflu

The funniest thing I've seen is when you do a Google search for "blu-ray". HD DVD comes up as the top sponsor for Blu-ray. Talk about an act of desperation and misrepresentation.

WOW, considering M$ and Google are dire enemies, they must have paid a pretty good chunk of change for that.

[Greenmatiz2]

Originally Posted by MrBogey

A lot of sites hopped on HD DVD because it made it to market first and wowwed a few people. Sony has a bad history of pissing off internet geeks by trying out DRM schemes. As a result a lot of people initially backed HD DVD and are too stubborn to back off.

This is true. Sony's rootkits, for example, have hurt them more than they know. People now hate Sony with a passion. They hate Microsoft, too... but these days a lot of that hate for Microsoft is going the way of how they are seen to be bowing to movie studio DRM. Vista is little more than a slower XP rewrite to keep them from being sued by the likes of Sony.

That's how many people view it, and that's why Sony is hated so much.

[LeoneFan]

Originally Posted by Greenmatiz2

This is true. Sony's rootkits, for example, have hurt them more than they know. People now hate Sony with a passion. They hate Microsoft, too... but these days a lot of that hate for Microsoft is going the way of how they are seen to be bowing to movie studio DRM. Vista is little more than a slower XP rewrite to keep them from being sued by the likes of Sony.

That's how many people view it, and that's why Sony is hated so much.

Well, then they should send their complaints to Sony/BMG not Sony Electronics, but I guess it's easy just to lump them all together. Ignorance is bliss!

[gianniss]

Thanks for the replies, guys. Let me tell you, here in Greece is all about Blu-ray. When Playstation 3 was launched a lot of the blu discs in the FNAC (one of the biggest stores in Athens that carries the Blu discs) were sold and in tv and radio you can hear and see from time to time "available in dvd & blu-ray" (for the Casino Royale, so far).
HD-DVD is NOWHERE to be seen and even the biggest selling tech magazine here ("High Tech") has published in the cover the blu Casino Royale with the phrase: "Finally High Definition Blu-Ray" and inside the magazine there's a review of the dics ending with this: "Blu-ray wins, the war is over".