GM cutting 4 Brands - Blu-ray Forum

fatediesel · 02-17-2009, 05:04 PM

It looks like GM is going to cut Saturn, Pontiac, Hummer, and Saab and stick with Chevy, Cadillac, GMC, and Buick. I'm a bit surprised they are keep GMC since it is mainly large trucks and SUVs. The article doesn't mention if some Saturn and Pontiac models would be picked up by the brands that are being kept. A separate Forbes article says Pontiac would be reduced to 1 or 2 models, and they are going to try and sell Hummer and Saab.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/17/bu...o.html?_r=1&hp

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2009/...ap6060523.html

groovyone · 02-17-2009, 05:08 PM

Interesting. One report I saw had Pontiac going down to 4 models which oddly included the Aussie G8, although I saw production of the G8 as potentiallye getting cut from 10K to 1K cars.

joegs300 · 02-17-2009, 05:10 PM

My_Two_Cents · 02-17-2009, 05:23 PM

Unfortunately, without substantial overhaul of retiree benefits and UAW wages/benefits/etc., nothing much will improve for any of the Big 3. These "negotiations" with the UAW are simply ridiculous, in my opinion. The Big 3 just need to state that as of ______ date, all retirees will now be required to contribute $X for their healthcare benefits, UAW wages will be cut at the same levels as those for the salaried workforce as will headcount and all employees (salaried and UAW) will now be required to pay a percentage of their healthcare benefits (if they aren't already). If this doesn't happen, then bankruptcy is around the corner. What would you rather have: A job that is still considered good wages and benefits or the very real possibility of no job (or one at a substantially reduced pay/benefit level)? Wake-up, Detroit.

jkwest · 02-17-2009, 06:26 PM

Pontiac should have been disposed of 20 years ago...

My_Two_Cents · 02-17-2009, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jkwest

Pontiac should have been disposed of 20 years ago...

And Buick.

mikejet · 02-17-2009, 06:34 PM

i thougth Saturn was independant...

fatediesel · 02-17-2009, 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jkwest

Pontiac should have been disposed of 20 years ago...

Pontiac was decent in the 90s when the Grand Am and Grand Prix were popular. My first 2 cars were actually Pontiacs, a Sunbird then a Sunfire. I'll admit neither were great but I actually liked the Sunfire. I wouldn't dream of buying one now but it wasn't a bad car for a 16 year old.

pacificvibes · 02-17-2009, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jkwest

Pontiac should have been disposed of 20 years ago...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ricshoe

And Buick.

and Hummer duh...

xtop · 02-17-2009, 06:36 PM

this all should have been done a long time ago.

i hope they keep a few cars from each brand tho..some of those cars are worth keeping

pacificvibes · 02-17-2009, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by xtop

this all should have been done a long time ago.

i hope they keep a few cars from each brand tho..some of those cars are worth keeping

maybe some, defiantly not all....they can trash the Pontiac Vibe, WOW that thing can't even get out of its own way.

Septimus Prime · 02-17-2009, 06:44 PM

I'm pretty surprised about Saab and Hummer, since those are some of GM's only brands with good reputations.

jkwest · 02-17-2009, 06:45 PM

didn't GM buy Saab from Ford with in the last 5 years?!

pacificvibes · 02-17-2009, 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Septimus Prime

I'm pretty surprised about Saab and Hummer, since those are some of GM's only brands with good reputations.

Hummer had a good rep

I didnt think they had very good sales? But what do I know, I drive a Ford.

fatediesel · 02-17-2009, 07:04 PM

Not sure about Hummer having a good rep. All of their vehicles are horribly oversized gas guzzlers. I would assume they would still be making military Hummers though.
I read a while back that Buick is a huge car brand in China and other foreign countries and that is why it was guaranteed to stay.

My_Two_Cents · 02-17-2009, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatediesel

Not sure about Hummer having a good rep. All of their vehicles are horribly oversized gas guzzlers. I would assume they would still be making military Hummers though.
I read a while back that Buick is a huge car brand in China and other foreign countries and that is why it was guaranteed to stay.

AM General makes the military Hummers and produces the H2 for GM under contract (GM bought the Hummer name). The H3 is built in Shreveport LA alongside the Colorado and Canyon pickups. My understanding, anyway.

Verkman · 02-17-2009, 07:20 PM

They've been trying to sell Hummer for about a year. It's a good idea. If someone buys it they would have a good hold on a niche market and it could be quite viable for them. Best way for this to work would be an independent owner of Hummer that sells through GM dealers. Gives the Hummer brand owners multiple dealers and likely low royalties to GM. GM will practically give the Hummer brand away for cash and no strings attached.

Just an idea of course.

Sticking to Chevy and GMC is a smart move. They are the staples, and even in today's market millions of people want large trucks and SUVs. If I couldn't get a large pickup truck from GM, I don't know what in the world I would drive...

...Dodge?

And Ricshoe, great first post. I couldn't agree with you more.

LynxFX · 02-17-2009, 07:33 PM

Saturn is still up for review. As of last week there were plans to fund it through 2012 but reduce the models down to 3 with no new models being produced in that time. That's basically killing it anyway, but at least they'll get a wind down period and allow dealers to restructure. Otherwise they'll have to buy out the dealers which will be very costly.

Nothing is final on any of these deals. We'll have to wait and see what the gov says about their plan and what the conditions are. The UAW is still the biggest thorn in the auto industry and until that is removed I don't see the US auto industry ever recovering.

allstar780 · 02-17-2009, 07:37 PM

man my brother is gonna be P-O'd when I tell him his brand new pontiac will be his last.

LynxFX · 02-17-2009, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by allstar780

man my brother is gonna be P-O'd when I tell him his brand new pontiac will be his last.

Pontiac isn't dead yet. The title of this thread is a bit misleading. Pontiac may just end up getting cut down to a niche brand with a couple models.

02-17-2009, 05:04 PM	#1
fatediesel Blu-ray Count Member since:Nov 2007 Location:Iowa Blu-ray collection:410 Trading Score:47	GM cutting 4 Brands It looks like GM is going to cut Saturn, Pontiac, Hummer, and Saab and stick with Chevy, Cadillac, GMC, and Buick. I'm a bit surprised they are keep GMC since it is mainly large trucks and SUVs. The article doesn't mention if some Saturn and Pontiac models would be picked up by the brands that are being kept. A separate Forbes article says Pontiac would be reduced to 1 or 2 models, and they are going to try and sell Hummer and Saab. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/17/bu...o.html?_r=1&hp http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2009/...ap6060523.html

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groovyone Blu-ray Guru Member since:May 2007 Location:PSNetwork: groovyone	Interesting. One report I saw had Pontiac going down to 4 models which oddly included the Aussie G8, although I saw production of the G8 as potentiallye getting cut from 10K to 1K cars.

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02-17-2009, 05:23 PM	#4
My_Two_Cents Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:Dec 2007 Location:Wherever I may roam.... Home Theater Gallery:40 4K collection:35 Blu-ray collection:507 DVD collection:19 Blu-ray reviews: 1 Trading Score:4	Unfortunately, without substantial overhaul of retiree benefits and UAW wages/benefits/etc., nothing much will improve for any of the Big 3. These "negotiations" with the UAW are simply ridiculous, in my opinion. The Big 3 just need to state that as of ______ date, all retirees will now be required to contribute $X for their healthcare benefits, UAW wages will be cut at the same levels as those for the salaried workforce as will headcount and all employees (salaried and UAW) will now be required to pay a percentage of their healthcare benefits (if they aren't already). If this doesn't happen, then bankruptcy is around the corner. What would you rather have: A job that is still considered good wages and benefits or the very real possibility of no job (or one at a substantially reduced pay/benefit level)? Wake-up, Detroit.

02-17-2009, 06:26 PM	#5
jkwest Off-Topic King Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Northern California PSN Id: jkwest5 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:20	Pontiac should have been disposed of 20 years ago...

02-17-2009, 06:34 PM	#7
mikejet Banned Member since:Sep 2008 Location:Los Angeles, CA Blu-ray reviews:5 Trading Score:29	i thougth Saturn was independant...

02-17-2009, 06:36 PM	#10
xtop Blu-ray Count Member since:Oct 2007 Blu-ray collection:- DVD collection:- Digital collection:- Trading Score:3	this all should have been done a long time ago. i hope they keep a few cars from each brand tho..some of those cars are worth keeping

02-17-2009, 06:44 PM	#12
Septimus Prime Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jan 2008 Blu-ray collection:164 Trading Score:2	I'm pretty surprised about Saab and Hummer, since those are some of GM's only brands with good reputations.

02-17-2009, 06:45 PM	#13
jkwest Off-Topic King Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Northern California PSN Id: jkwest5 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:20	didn't GM buy Saab from Ford with in the last 5 years?!

02-17-2009, 07:04 PM	#15
fatediesel Blu-ray Count Member since:Nov 2007 Location:Iowa Blu-ray collection:410 Trading Score:47	Not sure about Hummer having a good rep. All of their vehicles are horribly oversized gas guzzlers. I would assume they would still be making military Hummers though. I read a while back that Buick is a huge car brand in China and other foreign countries and that is why it was guaranteed to stay.

02-17-2009, 07:20 PM	#17
Verkman Active Member Member since:Jan 2009 Location:Canada Blu-ray collection:432 Blu-ray reviews: 2	They've been trying to sell Hummer for about a year. It's a good idea. If someone buys it they would have a good hold on a niche market and it could be quite viable for them. Best way for this to work would be an independent owner of Hummer that sells through GM dealers. Gives the Hummer brand owners multiple dealers and likely low royalties to GM. GM will practically give the Hummer brand away for cash and no strings attached. Just an idea of course. Sticking to Chevy and GMC is a smart move. They are the staples, and even in today's market millions of people want large trucks and SUVs. If I couldn't get a large pickup truck from GM, I don't know what in the world I would drive... ...Dodge? And Ricshoe, great first post. I couldn't agree with you more.

02-17-2009, 07:33 PM	#18
LynxFX Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jul 2007	Saturn is still up for review. As of last week there were plans to fund it through 2012 but reduce the models down to 3 with no new models being produced in that time. That's basically killing it anyway, but at least they'll get a wind down period and allow dealers to restructure. Otherwise they'll have to buy out the dealers which will be very costly. Nothing is final on any of these deals. We'll have to wait and see what the gov says about their plan and what the conditions are. The UAW is still the biggest thorn in the auto industry and until that is removed I don't see the US auto industry ever recovering.

02-17-2009, 07:37 PM	#19
allstar780 Special Member Top ranked HT gallery Top contributor Member since:Mar 2008 Location:Grande Prairie, Alberta Home Theater Gallery:15 Blu-ray collection:115 Blu-ray reviews:2	man my brother is gonna be P-O'd when I tell him his brand new pontiac will be his last.

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