Martin Logan Abyss or Grotto - Blu-ray Forum

ShockWave · 04-11-2009, 09:13 PM

Hey Fellas,

I have till Monday to decide if I should get the grotto or the abyss. The price difference is 100-150 dollars.

Which one would you choose and why?

BigDaddy please chime in!

Big Daddy · 04-11-2009, 09:45 PM

If they are used, I would get the Abyss. The Grotto has too many advanced features that may go bad and you have no warranty.

Remember that these are high end subwoofers that are very musical and refined. However, they may not necessarily give you the high impact in movies that you may be looking for. Cheaper subwoofers may give you a bigger impact.

http://bestofaudio.com/index.php?manufacturers_id=98
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI...m=170319283055
http://www.audioreview.com/cat/speak...x.aspx?TabID=5
http://www.onecall.com/ProductDetails.aspx?id=95095
http://www.onecall.com/ProductDetails.aspx?id=95122

Slec · 04-11-2009, 10:06 PM

Got to agree with Big Daddy. If your buying for musicality (tight accurate bass), then both of these are great choices. If you want home theater thump you may want to look elsewhere.

To answer your question...If you can swing the Grotto, go for it (with the Papa's caveat about new vs used).

ShockWave · 04-11-2009, 10:16 PM

Great, I really want it more for movies over all! Now am I confused what to do.

I can get the abyss for 500. Would the price difference for this be as good as the ones your are thinking of big?

Big Daddy · 04-11-2009, 10:47 PM

For $500, get a new HSU, ED, or SVS for movies. You won't regret it.

mdabb · 04-11-2009, 10:52 PM

Perhaps look into some of the offerings from Earthquake sound !!! Can't go wrong there, I have a sub from them and are extremely impressed and happy with its killer performance. No chance of being dissapointed.

Info............

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=83224

JJ · 04-12-2009, 12:06 AM

I'd go with the Abyss. I want an Abyss. I think I made it clear in an earlier thread I'd kill for one.

Slec · 04-12-2009, 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJxiv1215

I'd go with the Abyss. I want an Abyss. I think I made it clear in an earlier thread I'd kill for one.

To be clear.... If you buy the Abyss ShockWave, DO NOT tell JJ where you live!

JJ · 04-12-2009, 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slec

To be clear.... If you buy the Abyss ShockWave, DO NOT tell JJ where you live!

Orlando, Florida, eh?! That's only a 4 hour drive...

I'll make him an offer he can't refuse!

[Show spoiler]

ShockWave · 04-12-2009, 01:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJxiv1215

Orlando, Florida, eh?! That's only a 4 hour drive...

I'll make him an offer he can't refuse!

[Show spoiler]

HAHA!

Hey if I pass on the sub do you want me to tell the guy you are interested?

JJ · 04-12-2009, 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShockWave

HAHA!

Hey if I pass on the sub do you want me to tell the guy you are interested?

I wish. I'd have to sell my Dynamo first. And I just bought a 2nd sub as it is, and have my eyes set on a Pio Elite SACD player. Can't do the Abyss now!

ShockWave · 04-13-2009, 03:00 AM

OK fellas,

After speaking to Big/Yoda!

I am down to two subs.

http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_...roducts_id=640

or

http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-3-mk3.html

Not sure what to get.

I know Big is shaking his head at me right now.

JJ · 04-13-2009, 03:58 AM

I'm all about sexyness.

CosmoKid · 04-13-2009, 02:56 PM

I have the above subwoofer in the exact same finish and I can not say enough good things about it. It goes so low you can feel it in your stomach and it is nice and tight for music. Very fast response.

People think it is an end table.

Beta Man · 04-13-2009, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShockWave

HAHA!

Hey if I pass on the sub do you want me to tell the guy you are interested?

Pass on a $500 Abyss???? CRAZY

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJxiv1215

I wish. I'd have to sell my Dynamo first.

How much to ship it to Cleveland JJ

I want 4 of them..... (I decided 4 Dynamos will serve my space better than the 2 Abyss' and I can't afford 4 Abyss's

)

ShockWave · 04-13-2009, 09:44 PM

Beta I am leaning towards this sub.

http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_...roducts_id=618

The specs are killer for the price.

If you want four subs check these out.

http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_...roducts_id=407

JJ · 04-13-2009, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beta Man

Pass on a $500 Abyss???? CRAZY

How much to ship it to Cleveland JJ

I want 4 of them..... (I decided 4 Dynamos will serve my space better than the 2 Abyss' and I can't afford 4 Abyss's

)

I must agree with the above statement. Heck, if I could sell my Dynamo, I'd buy the Abyss at $500 instantly. If I could sell it to Beta, who wants it...hmm, ah considerations!

Shock, you're still a madman. Nothing bad about the Hsu, but passing on a 50% Abyss?!

Beta would never get four A2-300s,

Neither would I - I'd want two Abyss and one Dynamo.

ShockWave · 04-13-2009, 09:54 PM

Why not ED seems to be better the both LM subs?

Am I missing something here!

Slec · 04-13-2009, 09:56 PM

you can't believe everything the numbers say. Subs just sound different and interact with an environment different

JJ · 04-13-2009, 10:00 PM

Shocks, I've never heard of Poineer, Yahmaha, and LM...

But, have you never even listened to them?! Boy I wish Sound Advice was still around, that's when I tested the Dynamo and Abyss to death back last summer....

04-11-2009, 09:13 PM	#1
ShockWave Blu-ray Guru Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Mar 2009 Location:Orlando, FL GO GATORS Home Theater Gallery:17 Blu-ray collection:119 Blu-ray reviews:1	Martin Logan Abyss or Grotto Hey Fellas, I have till Monday to decide if I should get the grotto or the abyss. The price difference is 100-150 dollars. Which one would you choose and why? BigDaddy please chime in!

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04-11-2009, 09:45 PM	#2
Big Daddy Blu-ray Champion Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Southern California Home Theater Gallery:79 Blu-ray collection:122 Trading Score:1	If they are used, I would get the Abyss. The Grotto has too many advanced features that may go bad and you have no warranty. Remember that these are high end subwoofers that are very musical and refined. However, they may not necessarily give you the high impact in movies that you may be looking for. Cheaper subwoofers may give you a bigger impact. http://bestofaudio.com/index.php?manufacturers_id=98 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI...m=170319283055 http://www.audioreview.com/cat/speak...x.aspx?TabID=5 http://www.onecall.com/ProductDetails.aspx?id=95095 http://www.onecall.com/ProductDetails.aspx?id=95122

04-11-2009, 10:06 PM	#3
Slec Blu-ray Samurai Top ranked HT gallery Top contributor Member since:Dec 2007 Location:Baltimore, MD Home Theater Gallery:29 Blu-ray collection:241 Blu-ray reviews: 7 Trading Score:30	Got to agree with Big Daddy. If your buying for musicality (tight accurate bass), then both of these are great choices. If you want home theater thump you may want to look elsewhere. To answer your question...If you can swing the Grotto, go for it (with the Papa's caveat about new vs used).

04-11-2009, 10:16 PM	#4
ShockWave Blu-ray Guru Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Mar 2009 Location:Orlando, FL GO GATORS Home Theater Gallery:17 Blu-ray collection:119 Blu-ray reviews:1	Great, I really want it more for movies over all! Now am I confused what to do. I can get the abyss for 500. Would the price difference for this be as good as the ones your are thinking of big?

04-11-2009, 10:47 PM	#5
Big Daddy Blu-ray Champion Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Southern California Home Theater Gallery:79 Blu-ray collection:122 Trading Score:1	For $500, get a new HSU, ED, or SVS for movies. You won't regret it.

04-11-2009, 10:52 PM	#6
mdabb Power Member Member since:Jan 2008 Trading Score:1	Perhaps look into some of the offerings from Earthquake sound !!! Can't go wrong there, I have a sub from them and are extremely impressed and happy with its killer performance. No chance of being dissapointed. Info............ https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=83224

04-12-2009, 12:06 AM	#7
JJ Blu-ray Count Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Miami, FL Home Theater Gallery:99 4K collection:619 Blu-ray collection:1293 DVD collection:31 Digital collection:5 Blu-ray reviews: 18 Trading Score:203	I'd go with the Abyss. I want an Abyss. I think I made it clear in an earlier thread I'd kill for one.

04-13-2009, 03:00 AM	#12
ShockWave Blu-ray Guru Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Mar 2009 Location:Orlando, FL GO GATORS Home Theater Gallery:17 Blu-ray collection:119 Blu-ray reviews:1	OK fellas, After speaking to Big/Yoda! I am down to two subs. http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_...roducts_id=640 or http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-3-mk3.html Not sure what to get. I know Big is shaking his head at me right now.

04-13-2009, 03:58 AM	#13
JJ Blu-ray Count Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Miami, FL Home Theater Gallery:99 4K collection:619 Blu-ray collection:1293 DVD collection:31 Digital collection:5 Blu-ray reviews: 18 Trading Score:203	I'm all about sexyness.

04-13-2009, 02:56 PM	#14
CosmoKid Active Member Member since:Oct 2008 Location:Nutley, NJ Blu-ray collection:82 Trading Score:1	I have the above subwoofer in the exact same finish and I can not say enough good things about it. It goes so low you can feel it in your stomach and it is nice and tight for music. Very fast response. People think it is an end table.

04-13-2009, 09:44 PM	#16
ShockWave Blu-ray Guru Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Mar 2009 Location:Orlando, FL GO GATORS Home Theater Gallery:17 Blu-ray collection:119 Blu-ray reviews:1	Beta I am leaning towards this sub. http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_...roducts_id=618 The specs are killer for the price. If you want four subs check these out. http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_...roducts_id=407

04-13-2009, 09:54 PM	#18
ShockWave Blu-ray Guru Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Mar 2009 Location:Orlando, FL GO GATORS Home Theater Gallery:17 Blu-ray collection:119 Blu-ray reviews:1	Why not ED seems to be better the both LM subs? Am I missing something here!

04-13-2009, 09:56 PM	#19
Slec Blu-ray Samurai Top ranked HT gallery Top contributor Member since:Dec 2007 Location:Baltimore, MD Home Theater Gallery:29 Blu-ray collection:241 Blu-ray reviews: 7 Trading Score:30	you can't believe everything the numbers say. Subs just sound different and interact with an environment different

04-13-2009, 10:00 PM	#20
JJ Blu-ray Count Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Miami, FL Home Theater Gallery:99 4K collection:619 Blu-ray collection:1293 DVD collection:31 Digital collection:5 Blu-ray reviews: 18 Trading Score:203	Shocks, I've never heard of Poineer, Yahmaha, and LM... But, have you never even listened to them?! Boy I wish Sound Advice was still around, that's when I tested the Dynamo and Abyss to death back last summer....

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