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Old 05-20-2009, 02:02 AM   #1
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i hate paying for tv. i have an irrational issue with it that's different than paying for my home phone, which i don't use, and my internet which i use profusely. i'm looking at the possibility of getting a cheap computer to stream tv shows from hulu and other sites and maybe get an antenna for live stuff. are there any tips on computers to use for the internet tv or any antenna ideas? anything from people who have ditched cable and satellite would be awesome. i tried this before with an indoor antenna but to no avail so i may try again with an outdoor antenna. I have been looking at these EEE PCs to see if they may meet my needs as the streaming video comp. but i'm not very savvy as far as computers go. i'm so lost in my quixotic effort to save $80 a month.
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Old 05-20-2009, 02:04 AM   #2
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Get a Digital Antenna, they pick up the new digital channels in high def as well
Something like that
http://www.amazon.com/RCA-ANT1450B-M...2785052&sr=8-6
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Old 05-20-2009, 02:22 AM   #3
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I haven't paid for TV for over 10 years. I don't even have an antenna for local reception. I get all my news online or on my phone and when I want to watch a program like 24 or something I'll download it.
By "download it" you mean legally right...?

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Old 05-20-2009, 03:31 AM   #4
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i hate paying for tv. i have an irrational issue with it that's different than paying for my home phone, which i don't use, and my internet which i use profusely. i'm looking at the possibility of getting a cheap computer to stream tv shows from hulu and other sites and maybe get an antenna for live stuff. are there any tips on computers to use for the internet tv or any antenna ideas? anything from people who have ditched cable and satellite would be awesome. i tried this before with an indoor antenna but to no avail so i may try again with an outdoor antenna. I have been looking at these EEE PCs to see if they may meet my needs as the streaming video comp. but i'm not very savvy as far as computers go. i'm so lost in my quixotic effort to save $80 a month.
Well I don't have any real personal experience, but when I lived in an apartment during grad school, I considered being cheap and asking my neighbor if he wanted to split the cable bill, and then we'd drill a small hole in the wall (small enough to easily patch when we moved out, without it being noticed), and then one of us would run a wire from a splitter from one apartment into the other.

Not exactly the best idea.

Another thing is Popular Mechanics had a thing on a recent cover that said something like "Ditch your Cable Bill" or something. If you give me a few minutes, I can go dig that up and see what they said.
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Old 05-20-2009, 03:46 AM   #5
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Ok, the article was actually called "Stop Paying For Cable", and here it is:

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Times are tough, money is tight, and Americans are starting to take a long, ahrd look at their monthly bills. One expense, in particular, stands out: cable. It's hard to cut back on most utilities -- a modern home doens't quite run without electricity, water or fuel, and some sort of phone seems essential, but television? Don't they broadcast that for free?

As a matter of fact, they do. And yet the average monthly cable bill in the US is $58.80 -- more than $700 per year. Satellite TV generally offers a mild savings compared to cable, depending on what equipment and channels you select. But is there a way to get the range of TV content that typically comes from these services without the steep monthly fees?

Well, yes ... and no. If you're just looking to get local channels, an ordinary antenna will do. In fact, given the level of digital compression that cable companies use to squeeze ever more channels down the ipe, an antenna may deliver a better quality signal with hi-def content.

To receive over-the-air digital television, you need a TV with a digital tuner and an antenna that receives UHF and VHF signals. Plenty of television antennas are currently marketed as HDTV antennas, but as television engineer Mark Schubin puts it: "There is no such thing as an HDTV antenna." That doens't mean that all antennas are the same. Weak digital signals, unlike weak analog signals, don't show up with static -- they don't show up at all. So if you live in an area with substandard reception, it may be worth it to buy an amplified antenna to boost signal. Check out antennaweb.org to get an idea of what stations to expect, based on your address.

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Okay, that takes care of local channels, but cable offers hundreds. What about ESPN? CNN? HBO? What about video on demand? Can you replace those once the coaxial cable is cut? The honest answer is that, if you love surfing through an endless series of channels, then nothing will truly replace cable. But according to a 2007 Nielsen study, the average American household received 104 channels -- and watched only 15 of them regularly. So if statistics are any measure, a broad selection of content is important to viewers, but sheer quantity is not.

A surprising amount of TV and movie content is now available over the Internet for free or for a nominal price. The richest and most impressive source of Internet video, aside from outright torrent theft, is Netflix's "Watch Instantly." This stremaing video service is a freebie extra for anyone who subscribes to the company's DVD-by-mail service (any plan over $8.99 per month offers unlimited streaming of content). Watch Instantly lets users browse through a library of 12,000 movies and television shows, much as they would surf channels on a cable box. It nicely combines the joy of serendipitous movie discovery that comes from watching HBO or Showtime with the impulse entertainment of video on demand.

Most major networks and cable channels offer a deep reservoir of content that can be streamed over the Internet. CNN's site posts video feeds of breaking news, and ESPN has partnerships with various Internet providers around the country to offer its ESPN360 live sports streaming serice. New episodes of popular TV shows such as Lost and 24 are usually up on network sites within a day. NBC and Fox have teamed up to create the site hulu.com, which hsa so many shows and movies available for streaming that it is beginning to resemble a separate network itself.


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Internet streaming video is great, but how do you get all that cable-obviating goodness onto the big-screen TV in the living room? Many new digital TVs from manufacturers such as Samsung, Sony, Panasonic and Vizio come with Internet hookups that can directly link to sources such as Netflix and YouTube. Also, Dell and HP sell computers under $500 with HDMi outputs that can be hooked up directly to a TV.

In addition to full-featured PCs, there are a variety of Internet-enabled boxes that can be tricked out to tap into one or more of these sources. The Microsoft Xbox 360 can show streaming Netflix movies with a $50 yearly Xbox Live subscription. Perhaps the most elegant add-on device is the $99 Roku video-streaming box. It has built-in Wi-Fi and is a snap to set up and use. Roku streams Netflix movies and video-on-demand from Amazon, which has both free and rentable content.

Which brings us to the big question: How much do you really save out of all this? To take full advantage of online content, you'll need to have an Internet connection of at least 1.5 megabits per second (expect to pay at least $30 per month for that). And if you don't have a computer that hooks up easily to your TV, you can quickly find yourself stacking various set-top boxes at $100 to $300 each to get the selection of content you like. If you really go crazy with this stuff, you can burn through enough time, money and trouble that you might look back on your cable box with longing. On the other hand, if you're taking advantage of equipment and services you already have, there's a double sense of satisfaction to telling a monopolistic service provider to take a hike, combined with cash back in your pocket. That more than makes up for the loss of The Jewelry Channel.
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Old 05-20-2009, 04:06 AM   #6
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good way to save money but theres only like 5 channels at my address. granted i dont watch much TV
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Old 05-20-2009, 04:32 AM   #7
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I have most of my DVD's and CD library encoded onto an external hard drive and stream them wirelessly to my PS3.
If they're on an external drive, why not just plug the external drive into the PS3? Obviously the PS3 can't read all formats, but if you are ripping them yourself, you can just be sure to rip them to the proper format (I use Handbrake on my Mac, which has a PS3 setting built into it).
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Old 05-20-2009, 05:27 AM   #8
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Get a Digital Antenna, they pick up the new digital channels in high def as well
Something like that
http://www.amazon.com/RCA-ANT1450B-M...2785052&sr=8-6
what's up jw its been a while.

i live in a valley and when i tried the indoor antenna before i only got like 2 channels well. but now i have a 20' telescoping flag pole I'm going to use for my pirate flag (and was originally to be used as a transmitter for a pirate radio station here in SD that i was friends with ) so i might finally put that up with an antenna on it.

does anyone know a good place to walk you through the installation process? only reason i really want local programs is for chargers football. gotta support the hometown boys.

how about computer wise? anyone know what i would need to make a cheap computer to handle just the streaming video function. i like the idea of these EEE computers, but am not sure if they can handle it. but they're cheap and not horrible looking.

http://eeepc.asus.com/global/index.html

any opinions?
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Old 05-20-2009, 12:22 PM   #9
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I ditched my TWC a while back, and got a $60.00 amplified HD attenna,
works pretty good for the local HD channels around here.
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Old 05-20-2009, 02:45 PM   #10
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Make one of these. Better than any store bought antenna, and it's cheap and easy to make.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWQhl...eature=related
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Old 05-20-2009, 02:50 PM   #11
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we have an HD Ant. for local channels only. i've tried time and time again to find something to watch @ my parents house when we are over there, it's sad how often i can't find something to watch when i have 150+ channels to choose from.

we use my wife's Sony Laptop to hook up to the tv when we want to watch something we've missed. i've never really looked @ websites other than CBS or ABC to see if they offer shows or not.

the PQ isn't great but it works.
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Old 05-20-2009, 03:00 PM   #12
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will all your hd antennas work after the digital switch? I read somewhere that they might not
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Old 05-20-2009, 03:23 PM   #13
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will all your hd antennas work after the digital switch? I read somewhere that they might not
Of course they will,why wouldn't they?
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Yeah. I mostly watch Blu-ray and DVD and I never listen to the radio either. I like to control the programming I watch and the music that I play, not have to pay some "provider" to tell me what I should be watching or listening to.
How does "some provider" tell you what you should be watching or listening to? You can watch everything they provide or nothing they provide.
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Old 05-20-2009, 03:27 PM   #15
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buckshot, I also wanted to add I pull stations from 40 miles away with the coat hanger antenna leaning up against a wall. An amazing antenna.
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Old 05-20-2009, 03:28 PM   #16
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Of course they will,why wouldn't they?
because they will stop broadcasting through airwaves, right? I'm clueless on this
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Get a Digital Antenna, they pick up the new digital channels in high def as well
Something like that
http://www.amazon.com/RCA-ANT1450B-M...2785052&sr=8-6


http://www.hdtvantennalabs.com/hdtv-antenna-hype.php

"There is a wrong, yet widespread belief that you need more powerful antenna in terms of directivity and amplification in order to receive digital television. I don't know where the hell this belief comes from, cause the situation is exactly the opposite."

This is the "Digital/HD" antenna that came with my tuner:



To OP, most networks have websites where you can watch full episodes of popular TV series.
Then there is also joost/veoh/fancast/ and a few other places where you can find your video "fix".

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Old 05-20-2009, 03:37 PM   #18
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because they will stop broadcasting through airwaves, right? I'm clueless on this
No. They will stop analog signals. As long as your tv has a built in digital tuner, or you have a converter box, your set. Also, if you have cable or satellite service,you're gold.
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Old 05-20-2009, 11:18 PM   #19
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http://www.hdtvantennalabs.com/hdtv-antenna-hype.php

"There is a wrong, yet widespread belief that you need more powerful antenna in terms of directivity and amplification in order to receive digital television. I don't know where the hell this belief comes from, cause the situation is exactly the opposite."

This is the "Digital/HD" antenna that came with my tuner:



To OP, most networks have websites where you can watch full episodes of popular TV series.
Then there is also joost/veoh/fancast/ and a few other places where you can find your video "fix".
i'm mainly looking for the antenna for live events. and the reason i think I would need a larger or more powerful one is theres a REALLY big hill between me and the transmitters downtown. It may be time for some experimentation. thank you. lets see how this goes.
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OK here's a question...I like everything I've heard in this thread in regards to network programming, but the thing on my mind is what do I do about my HBO/Cinemax/Starz/Showtime HD premiums I get with TWC? Or the stuff like military channel, for instance.
I'd love to kick TWC to the curb and have been thinking how I can reduce costs.
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