Any word on pre-recorded media? - Blu-ray Forum

Anonymous · 07-01-2003, 04:37 PM

Any word on a player for pre-recorded movies, and when about 10 titles might be released
for it?

When it comes out, sub $1000 is a must for the player, w/ DVI output at least, and component output would be nice.

Hollywood movies need to average $30 or less. In other words, a premium of no more than $10 for the blu-ray edition of a movie's typical DVD edition. Distributors can also save money because in many situations only 1 disc will be required, due to blu-ray capacity.

For example, Lord of the Rings extended edition has 2 DVD9 (dual layer) devoted to the 208 minute movie plus some various sound options. That could fit onto 1 dual layer blu-ray.

Think of it, the ENTIRE LOTR trilogy, each movie on exactly 1 blu-ray disc. I'm not including the bonus materials and such, of course.

Anonymous · 08-07-2003, 11:40 PM

What's DVI output? I don't know a lot about this stuff.

g90man · 10-08-2003, 04:02 PM

I'm also interested in the pre-recorded media. Any representatives from Blue Ray read these threads?

Knight76 · 05-14-2004, 01:04 AM

Well, I cant see a movie studio releasing all the movies in a trilogy/series just because they fit on the disc. Instead of charging say $60 for all three they would sell the individually for 25 each and come out 15 in front.

Plus, you are not including the extra size of HD encoding. I think you are looking at current movie sizes based on 420p res.

DVI conection is just another type of connecting a dvd player or other equipment to a display device. Much like s-video or component etc. There is also another type of connection called HDMI i think which is a step up again over DVI. All this allows higher resolutions to be passed through to display devices which will be necessary when HD Movies become available.

zombie · 06-20-2004, 04:40 AM

http://dvd.ign.com/articles/524/524681p1.html?fromint=1

Quote:

Sony has 1,500 titles ready to go for High Definition, according to Fidler. Any Sony DVD that has "Mastered in High Definition" on the back of the case means it's ready to be reissued for a Blu-ray DVD player.

Quote:

A single-layer Blu-ray disc would allow for up to 135 minutes of high definition video, three languages and two hours of regular bonus material. A dual-layered disc, though, could hold three hours of HD video, a DTS mix and two hours of HD bonus materials.

To put it another way, that's the two-disc version of Master & Commander: The Far Side of the World or each of the Extended Editions of The Fellowship of the Ring and The Two Towers on a single disc. With a 36 megabits/sec. data transfer rate, it will put even Sony's Superbit DVDs to shame.

Rob · 07-03-2004, 06:52 AM

When do you think it's likely the 1st dvd blu-ray machines will be released in the UK, and consequently when the 1st pre-recorded media will be released. Personally I can't see players being released before 2006. Though having only just bought a rec dvd/hdd player I'm in no rush.

mk_kenshin · 07-23-2004, 09:55 AM

I think they should release movies in 2 differnt versions
1. 720p 24fps
2. 1080p 24fps

Im also wondering why sony seems to lack a HDTV capable of a full 1080p resolution whats up with that

Blu-Wave · 08-17-2004, 08:26 AM

Sounds sensible if you have half and full-fat formats and displays which give you the choice compromising type A, type B or both ... but there may be better solutions to this problem (one potential solution is discussed elsewhere).

Although Sony made full (1920 by 1080p) high definition CRTs, they don't currently make their own flat panel displays, but it might make sense to have, say,a flagship model on te books. Then again, as panels are improving rapidly, they may be waiting until nearer the launch next year of 1080p24 pre-recorded software, and bundle the launch of a seriously high performance display with something to display it on - whether the display will come with a starter pack of a full set of high definition Bond movies, the Matrix series and Lord of the Rings hasn't yet been established ...

However, Sony do make full 1080p and 2160p "liquid crystal light valves" or "spatial light modulators" for use with digital projectors ...

phloyd · 08-17-2004, 07:27 PM

I am familiar with the SXRD at 1080 - do you have any pointers for higher resolution versions?

I was only aware of JVC with "4k" resolutions...

Cheers!
DAve.

Blu-Wave · 08-17-2004, 10:30 PM

The 4k SXRD device is four times the size of the 2k version, and has a resolution of 4096 by 2160 pixels (which the digital cinema crowd seem keen on) - and Sony have put together a projector to use it ...

See http://news.sel.sony.com/pressrelease/4930 for details.

phloyd · 08-19-2004, 10:08 PM

Coolness...

I bet that will cost a fair bit.

I do find it amusing when they use words like more or faster, with no reference to what they are comparing it to.

"SXRD technology also enables a quicker refresh rate to produce much smoother moving images." Quicker refresh rate than what? Smoother images than what?

None the less, I bet these boxes are great to watch...

Cheers!
DAve.

mk_kenshin · 09-20-2004, 06:40 AM

I like the look of them but were do I buy them???

Rob · 09-20-2004, 09:29 AM

I might be wrong on this one, but it seems that most Plasma's/lcd's available are only capable of 720p or 1080i. Not 1080p. With most sets either having 720 or 768 horizontal lines. The only 1080 set being the upcoming Sharp 45" from their titanium range with a resolution of 1920 by 1080. Why is this?

What screen resolution should we expect from dvd blu-ray? 720p, 1080i or 1080p? :?:

mk_kenshin · 09-24-2004, 11:53 PM

Now that I think of it they should put 1080 on all disks and just have players capable of downconversion when needed

Mills · 11-28-2004, 04:05 PM

Hey I have a couple of questions regarding the video area of BD. I know we can expect 720p or 1080p even. We will probably get rid of a lot of filtering ( No EE ) and down coversion since most masters are in HD already. Some people are talking about 24fps-as opposed to 30 fps. which is now the standard on dvd on NTSC or 25 fps. on PAL. I realize this is how most film are shot, but what would exactly be the benefit of this? No more ntsc/pal or what? No 2:3 pulldown or what? Can a normal tv even except such an input?

m00 · 08-02-2005, 04:48 AM

One Benefit not having PAL will be that we would get the correct audio.

mk_kenshin · 08-02-2005, 04:56 AM

yup just pure 24fps goodness. though dvd studio pro doesnt seem to suport 1080p24 for some stupid reason.

Knight-Errant · 08-17-2005, 02:55 PM

Phew goodbye PAL and people in american movies on helium :lol:

Just one reason why I only buy Region 1 American films/TV

thunderhawk · 08-17-2005, 04:33 PM

Why I wonder is, why is there difference between the HDTV standards?

Before we had NTSC and PAL (easy to see the difference)
and now we have HDTV USA and HDTV EU, without the place names *-*

I wonder what they are up to next -_-"
lol

phloyd · 08-17-2005, 06:40 PM

Simple - frame rate.

There is 1080i 60 and 1080i 50.

I am sure you will have some idea whose is whose

07-01-2003, 04:37 PM	#1
Anonymous Member Member since:May 2003	Any word on pre-recorded media? Any word on a player for pre-recorded movies, and when about 10 titles might be released for it? When it comes out, sub $1000 is a must for the player, w/ DVI output at least, and component output would be nice. Hollywood movies need to average $30 or less. In other words, a premium of no more than $10 for the blu-ray edition of a movie's typical DVD edition. Distributors can also save money because in many situations only 1 disc will be required, due to blu-ray capacity. For example, Lord of the Rings extended edition has 2 DVD9 (dual layer) devoted to the 208 minute movie plus some various sound options. That could fit onto 1 dual layer blu-ray. Think of it, the ENTIRE LOTR trilogy, each movie on exactly 1 blu-ray disc. I'm not including the bonus materials and such, of course.

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08-07-2003, 11:40 PM	#2
Anonymous Member Member since:May 2003	What's DVI output? I don't know a lot about this stuff.

10-08-2003, 04:02 PM	#3
g90man New Member Member since:Oct 2003	I'm also interested in the pre-recorded media. Any representatives from Blue Ray read these threads?

05-14-2004, 01:04 AM	#4
Knight76 New Member Member since:May 2004	Well, I cant see a movie studio releasing all the movies in a trilogy/series just because they fit on the disc. Instead of charging say $60 for all three they would sell the individually for 25 each and come out 15 in front. Plus, you are not including the extra size of HD encoding. I think you are looking at current movie sizes based on 420p res. DVI conection is just another type of connecting a dvd player or other equipment to a display device. Much like s-video or component etc. There is also another type of connection called HDMI i think which is a step up again over DVI. All this allows higher resolutions to be passed through to display devices which will be necessary when HD Movies become available.

07-03-2004, 06:52 AM	#6
Rob Active Member Member since:Jun 2004	When do you think it's likely the 1st dvd blu-ray machines will be released in the UK, and consequently when the 1st pre-recorded media will be released. Personally I can't see players being released before 2006. Though having only just bought a rec dvd/hdd player I'm in no rush.

07-23-2004, 09:55 AM	#7
mk_kenshin Member Member since:Jul 2004	I think they should release movies in 2 differnt versions 1. 720p 24fps 2. 1080p 24fps Im also wondering why sony seems to lack a HDTV capable of a full 1080p resolution whats up with that

08-17-2004, 08:26 AM	#8
Blu-Wave Active Member Member since:Apr 2004	Sounds sensible if you have half and full-fat formats and displays which give you the choice compromising type A, type B or both ... but there may be better solutions to this problem (one potential solution is discussed elsewhere). Although Sony made full (1920 by 1080p) high definition CRTs, they don't currently make their own flat panel displays, but it might make sense to have, say,a flagship model on te books. Then again, as panels are improving rapidly, they may be waiting until nearer the launch next year of 1080p24 pre-recorded software, and bundle the launch of a seriously high performance display with something to display it on - whether the display will come with a starter pack of a full set of high definition Bond movies, the Matrix series and Lord of the Rings hasn't yet been established ... However, Sony do make full 1080p and 2160p "liquid crystal light valves" or "spatial light modulators" for use with digital projectors ...

08-17-2004, 07:27 PM	#9
phloyd Blu-ray Guru Member since:Dec 2003 Location:California Trading Score:5	I am familiar with the SXRD at 1080 - do you have any pointers for higher resolution versions? I was only aware of JVC with "4k" resolutions... Cheers! DAve.

08-17-2004, 10:30 PM	#10
Blu-Wave Active Member Member since:Apr 2004	The 4k SXRD device is four times the size of the 2k version, and has a resolution of 4096 by 2160 pixels (which the digital cinema crowd seem keen on) - and Sony have put together a projector to use it ... See http://news.sel.sony.com/pressrelease/4930 for details.

08-19-2004, 10:08 PM	#11
phloyd Blu-ray Guru Member since:Dec 2003 Location:California Trading Score:5	Coolness... I bet that will cost a fair bit. I do find it amusing when they use words like more or faster, with no reference to what they are comparing it to. "SXRD technology also enables a quicker refresh rate to produce much smoother moving images." Quicker refresh rate than what? Smoother images than what? None the less, I bet these boxes are great to watch... Cheers! DAve.

09-20-2004, 06:40 AM	#12
mk_kenshin Member Member since:Jul 2004	I like the look of them but were do I buy them???

09-20-2004, 09:29 AM	#13
Rob Active Member Member since:Jun 2004	I might be wrong on this one, but it seems that most Plasma's/lcd's available are only capable of 720p or 1080i. Not 1080p. With most sets either having 720 or 768 horizontal lines. The only 1080 set being the upcoming Sharp 45" from their titanium range with a resolution of 1920 by 1080. Why is this? What screen resolution should we expect from dvd blu-ray? 720p, 1080i or 1080p? :?:

09-24-2004, 11:53 PM	#14
mk_kenshin Member Member since:Jul 2004	Now that I think of it they should put 1080 on all disks and just have players capable of downconversion when needed

11-28-2004, 04:05 PM	#15
Mills New Member Member since:Nov 2004	Hey I have a couple of questions regarding the video area of BD. I know we can expect 720p or 1080p even. We will probably get rid of a lot of filtering ( No EE ) and down coversion since most masters are in HD already. Some people are talking about 24fps-as opposed to 30 fps. which is now the standard on dvd on NTSC or 25 fps. on PAL. I realize this is how most film are shot, but what would exactly be the benefit of this? No more ntsc/pal or what? No 2:3 pulldown or what? Can a normal tv even except such an input?

08-02-2005, 04:48 AM	#16
m00 Junior Member Member since:Aug 2005	One Benefit not having PAL will be that we would get the correct audio.

08-02-2005, 04:56 AM	#17
mk_kenshin Member Member since:Jul 2004	yup just pure 24fps goodness. though dvd studio pro doesnt seem to suport 1080p24 for some stupid reason.

08-17-2005, 02:55 PM	#18
Knight-Errant Power Member Member since:Aug 2005 Location:Sheffield, UK	Phew goodbye PAL and people in american movies on helium :lol: Just one reason why I only buy Region 1 American films/TV

08-17-2005, 04:33 PM	#19
thunderhawk Moderator Member since:Jul 2004 Location:Belgium	Why I wonder is, why is there difference between the HDTV standards? Before we had NTSC and PAL (easy to see the difference) and now we have HDTV USA and HDTV EU, without the place names - I wonder what they are up to next -_-" lol

08-17-2005, 06:40 PM	#20
phloyd Blu-ray Guru Member since:Dec 2003 Location:California Trading Score:5	Simple - frame rate. There is 1080i 60 and 1080i 50. I am sure you will have some idea whose is whose

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