LG's new OLED TVs

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

"The EF9500 series will be the only LG OLED able to take full advantage of HDR-infused content from Ultra HD Blu-ray discs and players.....

Taking full advantage of HDR infused content is a good thing.

But I must say, that’s a rather bold statement (without details) by the writer, which you’ve bolded, for it implies that those OLED tvs can achieve a peak luminance of 1000 nits (albeit in a small patch) in order to take full advantage of the MaxCLL parameter of the picture light level of the Ultra HD Blu-ray spec, when a filmmaker chooses to go there during the mastering of HDR content. That assertion (in bold) would be fabulous if LG has truly accomplished that engineering feat.

Looking forward for proof.

[Kano on the phone]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

I will not buy a curved screen, but my next TV will definitely be a 4K OLED providing my VT60 holds me through to that time.

I really hope there are some 65"+ flat 4K OLED options in the next couple years.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...300133264.html

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/55ef9...1508264156.htm

http://flatpanelshd.com/news.php?sub...&id=1440563129

New Models:

EF9500/9600 = Flat OLEDs, 55 & 65", HDR built in
EG9200 = Curved "affordable" OLED, 55", HDR built in
EG9100 = Full HD panel, WebOS 2.0, likely direct successor to EC9300 (last year model)

[raygendreau]

LG has fixed the dark edge issue as reported by LG EG9600 owners:

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ole...l#post36828378

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Taking full advantage of HDR infused content is a good thing.


Looking forward for proof.

I am less interested in peak luminance than I am contrast ratio.

As for proof, wait for the VE HDR shootout, preferably with the new flat panel OLEDs from LG and the rest of the competing HDR displays. Would be nice to actually have a UHD BR player and UHD BR HDR disc and UHD HDR downloads as content for comparison. It remains to be seen if content will be graded to show the full capability of OLED black levels.
if it is, I predict that OLED will win the UHD HDR shootout regardless of the display's peak luminance.

[Robert Zohn]

I think ^^ you are correct. Time will tell and it won't be a long wait.

-Robert

[vinnie97]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

LG has fixed the dark edge issue as reported by LG EG9600 owners:

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ole...l#post36828378

Looking better for sure. Just 5% has a little bit of unevenness remaining (mainly banding).

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

As for proof, wait for the VE HDR shootout, preferably with the new flat panel OLEDs from LG and the rest of the competing HDR displays.

C'mon ray, that's not "proof" for what you bolded in the past post.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

It remains to be seen if content will be graded to show the full capability of OLED black levels.

At least you're now learning some of what I've taught you in the past...

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I wouldn't say that Best Buy, at least the one down the road from me, is the most optimal viewing environment but nevertheless, you didn’t understand my prior reply, maybe you should re-read my post if you don’t possess the technical background. I was pointing out that our LCD consumer universe is holding back the full potential of OLED display technology, i.e. it could be even better.

I was complimenting you (at least, for being a trail blazer) and OLED display technology in general with regards to its ‘black level’, which I agree “can be described with superlatives like stunning, incredible, amazing”, in fact, it’s soooo black (and you won’t find this OLED information on sites like (oled-info whatever.com or respectfully (because its ours ) the LG OLED thread in the Display sub forum), but that in professional grading suites, using most brand/model OLED monitors, a good rule of thumb is that the blacks should be raised to 0.05 Nits, again a concession to inferior display technology as a result of the vast majority of consumers watching movies on displays (LCDs) which are capable of blacks no lower than 0.05 nits – and that’s generous, for that figure is probably closer to 0.1 nits.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

if it is, I predict that OLED will win the UHD HDR shootout regardless of the display's peak luminance.

Fair prediction (even if it isn't mastered for OLED black) but......that brings us back to the issue of OLED longevity, drift (requiring more frequent recalibrations than LCD/LED for peak performance)....not to mention, the possibility of a future nits race among consumer TV manufacturers in the years to come (which would raise not just highlights, but average brightness of the image too, a further struggle for OLED), a prediction/belief held by more than one industry insider.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Not much more information at this moment.

Robert, when you eventually do the write-up or video of your 4K HDR consumer tv shootout, please if you can, make it plain the size (as some of us have big families and/or lots of friends) and especially the MSRP of each contender.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

engineering feat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KddA...utu.be&t=8m38s

[Penton-Man]

^
“Pat”…. as in the person who chaired this committee...https://kws.smpte.org/kws/public/pro...project_id=197 , which led to the publication of ST 2084

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

the publication of ST 2084

Postscript to the paragraph below the YouTube of Marilyn Monroe in thee quoted Sept. 2014 ST 2084 hyperlink…. Y”u”v” color encoding ( http://journal.smpte.org/content/124/3/37.refs )
is expected to make a demo appearance with a hardware manufacturer next month in Amsterdam at the International Broadcasting Convention.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

the International Broadcasting Convention.

And, as to other upcoming demos at IBC 2015….
http://www.blog.thomson-networks.com...f-hdr-content/

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

And, as to other upcoming demos at IBC 2015….

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...o#post11232161

[raygendreau]

LG VIP service appears to be building brand loyalty with LG owners that have reported the dark edge issue (around 2% of displays affected)

Every owner electing to receive a full refund plans to buy the new OLED UHD HDR flat panel display (EF9500) See AVS Forum owner's thread pgs 89/90

[raygendreau]

LG has competition, finally:

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php...&id=1441199949

Now we can see if Panasonic processing will trump LG's although they will be using an LG panel.

[Robert Zohn]

LG Partners with Broadcasters and Content Providers to Demonstrate HDR Content on LG's 4K OLED TVs.

-Robert

[raygendreau]

The Forbes article by John Archer updated to include pricing on the new OLEDs

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarch...-uhd-oled-tvs/

[raygendreau]

Recent check of the LG EG9600 owner's thread (AVS Forum) shows owners beginning to evaluate Amazon HDR streaming on their recently HDR updated TVs.