Oblivion 4K UHD (2013)

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by ROSS.T.G.

Well considering commercial projectors are calibrated to 5400K it’s not surprising the BD looks cooler.

So then it’s a good thing that UHD/HDR Oblivion looks warmer than the Blu. Never understood the 6500K. Looks ugly and not very cinematic to me.

[pbz06]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

Why? Don’t you have a Sony TV? It probably automatically sharpens it, even if sharpness is set to 50 or off. Sony started pulling this trick ever since 2010’s. And it’s across all video products, PlayStation, Blu-ray players, etc. And it can’t be defeated. One of the reasons I sold my A1E and got a C8.

That doesn't seem to be true

[punisher]

you can't handle the truth..

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Bond84

Amen. The HDR, colors, and sound make it a much better presentation. If it had the same sharpness at the BD, it would be top shelf.

The BD is sharper but by no means is the UHD "blurry".

The HDR is nice but I actually prefer the cooler colors of the BD, plus the detail of course. So I think the BD is my preferred method of viewing. I can see why people who really want the warm color of the UHD might prefer it though.

I've always liked cooler tones for science-fiction, probably because of Aliens and Empire Strikes Back.

[punisher]

you can always change the color temperature of the tv for the same effect with the 4k disc

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

Why? Don’t you have a Sony TV? It probably automatically sharpens it, even if sharpness is set to 50 or off. Sony started pulling this trick ever since 2010’s. And it’s across all video products, PlayStation, Blu-ray players, etc. And it can’t be defeated. One of the reasons I sold my A1E and got a C8.

It "probably" automatically sharpens it? No. No it doesn't. Sharpness at 50 is off to all intents and purposes, giving the user the leeway to sharpen or soften the image as they see fit.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by punisher

you can always change the color temperature of the tv for the same effect with the 4k disc

Might be fun for an experiment, but I don't think that kind of blanket change is the same thing as a graded master. Also wouldn't help the loss of detail, though I might watch the movie with Geoffy's sharpening advice at some point and see what happens.

[Brahmzy]

I’ve tried to sharpen it, but that detail is truly gone. So any attempts at sharpening have had limited successes. I even try to sharpen using many of MadVR’s methods and it still looks soft. Fire up the BD and razor goodness.
Also, the auto sharpening comment with SONY. No. And no.

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

It "probably" automatically sharpens it? No. No it doesn't. Sharpness at 50 is off to all intents and purposes, giving the user the leeway to sharpen or soften the image as they see fit.

Compare a regular Blu-ray disc on the PS3 and PS4. PS3 looks natural, like any other high end player. PS4 is definitely sharpened and more etched. Same settings. And I notice this across Sony’s entire product range. It’s been going on for some years now. Once you notice it, it’s hard to unsee it.

I recently saw Alien DCP. Same day I watched the Blu-ray. PS3 and Xbox One X looked identical to what I saw at the theater, PS4 had an unnatural sharpened effect and a slightly more bleached look.

And how certain are you that 50 is off? Reviewers keep repeating this for many years now, but I’m not so sure. Especially not with the newer Sony products.

[Geoff D]

A PS3 or PS4 is not a television. Shouldn't have to state that, but there we are. And people shouldn't be using a games console for any kind of reference disc playback (didn't the PS4 have to have DVD playback enabled in firmware or something, and it doesn't play CDs at all? Shows how much Sony care about optical disc on that machine). Shouldn't have to state that either, but there we are.

How certain am I? 100% Having run several sharpness test patterns on the various Sony TVs I've owned over the last few years I've noticed no oversharpening anomalies, and you'd think that all of the actual pros out there would've picked up on such a thing by now. If anything Sony's TV processing actually rolls off higher frequency detail and chroma resolution ever so slightly, at least when it comes to the TV's internal 1080p upscaling which is why I prefer to let an outboard player do the 4K uprezzing.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

So then it’s a good thing that UHD/HDR Oblivion looks warmer than the Blu. Never understood the 6500K. Looks ugly and not very cinematic to me.

65000K is the standard, you must accept it

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

65000K is the standard, you must accept it

Rock, if you hate how yellowy things look at 6500K then you'd go ballistic if you had to use 5400K which is FAR warmer...

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Rock, if you hate how yellowy things look at 6500K then you'd go ballistic if you had to use 5400K which is FAR warmer...

I don't hate 6500K and I use it on 80% of what I watch. I just feel that it is not a good choice for some content, such as:
A) Selected movies
B) TV series and sitcoms
C) Sports
D) Documentaries
E) Daytime shows (news, talk shows, etc.)

Ever watched the Winter Olympics in 6500K? Just plain fugly

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

I don't hate 6500K and I use it on 80% of what I watch. I just feel that it is not a good choice for some content, such as:
A) Selected movies
B) TV series and sitcoms
C) Sports
D) Documentaries
E) Daytime shows (news, talk shows, etc.)

Ever watched the Winter Olympics in 6500K? Just plain fugly

I remember when I had an ISF calibration for the first time. That definitely took a while to getting used to. Booting up the old Wii home screen (which is all white) looked so "yellow" at first.

But now I don't understand how I could have watched TV and played games with such cool color temp like I did before.

6500K for everything, all the time.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by DJR662

I remember when I had an ISF calibration for the first time. That definitely took a while to getting used to. Booting up the old Wii home screen (which is all white) looked so "yellow" at first.

But now I don't understand how I could have watched TV and played games with such cool color temp like I did before.

6500K for everything, all the time.

Again, I feel that some content benefits from it and some don't. If we are talking strictly about the realm of movies, I can see how the majority of film features would want to utilize a warmer color temperature. But if you are watching a game, a fight, or a TV show, or a mini series, things change.

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

6500K is the standard, you must accept it

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Again, I feel that some content benefits from it and some don't. If we are talking strictly about the realm of movies, I can see how the majority of film features would want to utilize a warmer color temperature. But if you are watching a game, a fight, or a TV show, or a mini series, things change.

See your own quote above.

[shield80]

6500K for everything, tv.BD-4K, games.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by DJR662

See your own quote above.

Originally Posted by shield80

6500K for everything, tv.BD-4K, games.

That's the beauty of owning your own TV, you don't have to set it the way other people like theirs necessarily

[punisher]

I prefer cooler temperature on my tv's. Looks best to me but I understand it's not for everyone.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by punisher

I prefer cooler temperature on my tv's. Looks best to me but I understand it's not for everyone.

Why being limited to one color temperature when our TVs offer a broad selection?
I was revisisitng Miss Peregrine in UHD and any color temperature colder than Warm 2 looked too cold and sickly. But then I went to watch Hulu's original series Marvel's Runaways and Warm 2 over cooked the picture so I selected Medium instead, and all skin tones, green grass, dark rooms, blue skies, came back to life.
Choices my friends. There is a reason why our TV sets are not stuck to just ONE color temperature.