Oblivion 4K UHD (2013)

[Bourne1886]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

Streaming via iTunes looks the same as UHD disc.

Streaming doesn’t. Streams look good but are never as good as the physical disc.

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by Bourne1886

Streaming doesn’t. Streams look good but are never as good as the physical disc.

You took my post out of context. And IMO your statement is false as well. iTunes 4K is incredible and Apple TV 4K is one of the most powerful video machines available to consumers. I’ll take the 4K Dolby Vision stream of Blade Runner 2049 over the physical HDR10 disc any day.

[Bourne1886]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I've already made it plain that the TV's sharpness is set to where it neither adds nor taketh away, objectively assessed with test patterns, nor do I use the Reality Creation or other sharpness boosting by default (unlike other people, methinks), but Oblivion's UHD is so soft it got me thinking about sharpening it up so I tried the various methods at my disposal (did this a while ago too with the Panny, I'm just mentioning it again as I picked up a UB390 for cheap).

The door swings both ways as I use the Panny's processing to actually de-sharpen the Fifth Elephant UHD for example, along with other BDs that have been smacked badly with edge enhancement where the high/mid frequency filters can reduce the visible halos.

The OPPO's sharpening is far too blunt a tool, to use a contrary simile. Just off the top of my head Cruise gets obvious halos around him in the wide shot when he's sitting on the mountain watching the sea water machines in the distance, and it also puts some blatant ringing along the letterbox bars whereas the Panny's Edge Correction cancels out the ringing. As always, some people are more sensitive to certain things than others so I don't expect everyone to see what I see, like with Deadpool 2's theatrical UHD disc having been softened slightly. And yet it's there alright...

I know you made this post in September but I was always under the impression that using your equipments (tv and 4k) sharpness was a no no?

[Bourne1886]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

You took my post out of context. And IMO your statement is false as well. iTunes 4K is incredible and Apple TV 4K is one of the most powerful video machines available to consumers. I’ll take the 4K Dolby Vision stream of Blade Runner 2049 over the physical HDR10 disc any day.

I didn’t take it out of context. Your opinion is just that and not fact. Apple 4K tv is good, very good in fact! I know because I’ve got it. But in no way does any kind of streaming compare to physical media due for a number of reasons.

It’s good that you know what you like but like I said your opinion is your opinion not mine.

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by Bourne1886

I didn’t take it out of context. Your opinion is just that and not fact. Apple 4K tv is good, very good in fact! But in no way does any kind of streaming compare to physical media.

It’s good that you know what you like but it doesn’t mean it’s right.

Again you took it out of context. Discussion was wether iTunes 4K and UHD come from the same “filtered” master and I was replying that yes they look the same. Obviously compression is different and what not, but that’s not what was being discussed.

[Bourne1886]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

Again you took it out of context. Discussion was wether iTunes 4K and UHD come from the same “filtered” master and I was replying that yes they look the same. Obviously compression is different and what not, but that’s not what was being discussed.

No, It doesn’t matter what you watch on Apple TV whether its the 4K of Oblivion or whatever. The Streaming version of Oblivion v The Physical Oblivion is weaker picture quality wise.
You believe what you believe and I’ll believe what I believe. Bye.

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by Bourne1886

No, It doesn’t matter what you watch on Apple TV whether its the 4K of Oblivion or whatever. The Streaming version of Oblivion v The Physical Oblivion is weaker picture quality wise.
You believe what you believe and I’ll believe what I believe. Bye.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Bourne1886

I know you made this post in September but I was always under the impression that using your equipments (tv and 4k) sharpness was a no no?

It is. But in this case - speaking about Oblivion on UHD - the UHD has been softened so heavily that it can be sharpened just as heavily without incurring most of the usual artefacts that result from such a process, which in itself proves how much high-frequency information is missing from the 4K master. If I do what I do with Oblivion (on the Panny player: mid and high frequency luma sharpening both to +6 and edge correction to +1) to any other movie it becomes an edge-enhanced mess but here it just works.

[lgans316]

I would strongly avoid this release if you already own the BD unless offered for free to find out how heavily filtered the UHD PQ is.

[punisher]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

It is. But in this case - speaking about Oblivion on UHD - the UHD has been softened so heavily that it can be sharpened just as heavily without incurring most of the usual artefacts that result from such a process, which in itself proves how much high-frequency information is missing from the 4K master. If I do what I do with Oblivion (on the Panny player: mid and high frequency luma sharpening both to +6 and edge correction to +1) to any other movie it becomes an edge-enhanced mess but here it just works.

I don't see the UHD as heavily softened at all on my LG C7.... maybe I need

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by lgans316

I would strongly avoid this release if you already own the BD unless offered for free to find out how heavily filtered the UHD PQ is.

Strongly filtered? I don’t think so. Debatable if it’s filtered at all.

[punisher]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

Strongly filtered? I don’t think so. Debatable if it’s filtered at all.

seems those members on the other side of the pond have problems viewing the UHD

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

Strongly filtered? I don’t think so. Debatable if it’s filtered at all.

People like Vincent Teoh believe this movie is heavily filtered. I'll take his opinion on this 1

[Noremac Mij]

Eh, it doesn’t matter to me. I think it looks pretty good. Geoff thinks it’s filtered, I’ll take his word for it. But it’s definitely not strongly filtered. And the regular Blu is sharpened, as can be seen from the caps. So there’s no point in comparing the Blu with the UHD, or sharpening the UHD to match the Blu. IMO of course.

[punisher]

no opinions allowed.....you either agree or disagree..so pick a side...

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by punisher

no opinions allowed.....you either agree or disagree..so pick a side...

I’m on the side that UHD is a significantly better presentation of the movie than the Blu. It’s more filmic, has HDR, and more correct color timing.

[bguzman]

The upgraded Dolby Atmos audio is easily worth the $10 I paid for the UHD and the fact that I prefer the warmer look is just icing on the 4K cake.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by lgans316

I would strongly avoid this release if you already own the BD unless offered for free to find out how heavily filtered the UHD PQ is.

Really comes down to whether you prefer HDR or detail. It has a lovely HDR pass. I've watched both and am quite conflicted over which I'd watch next time.

[lgans316]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Really comes down to whether you prefer HDR or detail. It has a lovely HDR pass. I've watched both and am quite conflicted over which I'd watch next time.

I would prefer both which is why I had invested in the format and own more than 100+ UHDs.. For titles like Oblivion, 3:10, Dredd, King Kong etc. I prefer the picture quality of the Blu-ray.

T2 - Please don't start asking as it went straight to classifieds at halfway mark.

Coming to audio, I thought the LFE was lacking on the Atmos mix and this has been confirmed my many at AVSForum. So Oblivion is sadly a botched release on 4K UHD IMO.

[StingingVelvet]

I thing King Kong looks fine, but yeah.