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PeterTHX · 05-20-2008, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcusarilius

I know DD True HD and DTS HDMA is supposed to be identical, but on many soundtracks it really seems that DTS HDMA sounds more dynamic, clear and uncompressed.

Don't mistake the mix for the codec.

Run Hoosiers, RoboCop, The Fly, etc and then run something like Enchanted, Spider-Man, or Twister.

It's the mix!

Grubert · 05-20-2008, 08:14 AM

Guys, if you want to debate TrueHD vs DTS and mix vs codec, this is hardly the place.

lgans316 · 05-20-2008, 08:17 AM

Sorry to go off-topic. I agree that everything boils down to sound mixing.

For example the 24-bit DTS ES track on Face/Off puts some of the lossless audio mixes to shame. I am surprised that Martin Liebman gave only 4/5 just because the mix wasn't lossless.

WickyWoo · 05-20-2008, 04:58 PM

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For example the 24-bit DTS ES track on Face/Off puts some of the lossless audio mixes to shame. I am surprised that Martin Liebman gave only 4/5 just because the mix wasn't lossless.

The PCM track on the BVHE disc whups it. It's far more "open" sounding

aygie · 05-20-2008, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by WickyWoo

The PCM track on the BVHE disc whups it. It's far more "open" sounding

UK Disc?

Woody · 05-20-2008, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BStecke

I still don't see how the "DTS bomb" is at all the fault of the encoders, since it's only present in certain makes of receivers (and has since been fixed for most, if not all, applications).

It is fixed by FW updates in the guilty processors/receivers.

Peter just has a deep hatred for DTS, so for him, the more blame on DTS the better.

Oh, and since Uni chose DTS HDMA, it takes a little more from his claim that DTS will go the way of the dodo.

Woody · 05-20-2008, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by blitz6speed

"Haters gotta hate."

LOL, +1

saprano · 05-20-2008, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Woody

It is fixed by FW updates in the guilty processors/receivers.

Peter just has a deep hatred for DTS, so for him, the more blame on DTS the better.

Oh, and since Uni chose DTS HDMA, it takes a little more from his claim that DTS will go the way of the dodo.

You noticed to?

.........im just playing peter

Alan Gordon · 05-20-2008, 09:06 PM

Bill's going to have a LOT of catching up to do...

~Alan

WickyWoo · 05-20-2008, 10:54 PM

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Peter just has a deep hatred for DTS, so for him, the more blame on DTS the better.

Peter just has little patience for people who worship a codec and give it credit where none is deserved. You're hearing mixes, plain and simple, and if we put you in a level matched double blind test of the exact same clip from the same master through DTSMA, PCM and THD you would not be able to tell me which one was the THD with any kind of consistancy required for even a verification of your subjective opinion. Do you really think that Dolby would advertise their codec as "lossless", if it wasn't? That's a pile of lawsuits waiting to happen

I'm locking the thread until Bill comes back

Bill Hunt · 07-17-2008, 08:26 PM

Hey Guys,

My apologies for being gone so long (what, like TWO months - sheesh). There's no good reason for it, other than the usual: I'm just crazy, silly busy... almost every day.

BUT... I'm back, and I'm going to TRY to drop in more often. So feel free to chat and ask away, and I'll respond as best I can.

kpkelley · 07-17-2008, 08:29 PM

Can you comment on what has been going on with Warner's press releases? Are the press releases incorrect or is Warner reacting to pressure from yourself and other enthusiasts who want HD audio?

horseflesh · 07-17-2008, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Hunt

Hey Guys,

My apologies for being gone so long (what, like TWO months - sheesh). There's no good reason for it, other than the usual: I'm just crazy, silly busy... almost every day.

BUT... I'm back, and I'm going to TRY to drop in more often. So feel free to chat and ask away, and I'll respond as best I can.

Welcome back!
OK, the two words on everybody's lips.......Speed Racer.
Have you heard any more about tech specs??
I know you enjoyed it; I did too and my 7 year old son LOVED it (he's started saving his pocketmoney for the BD

)

TauHeel05 · 07-17-2008, 08:41 PM

Bill,

I really enjoyed hearing the news you posted today about 'Blow' having Dolby TrueHD. In regards to the future blu-ray release of 'The Dark Knight' could you pass this along to the suits at Warners, "DON'T MUFF IT UP!"

Thanks,
TauHeel05

Bill Hunt · 07-17-2008, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by kpkelley

Can you comment on what has been going on with Warner's press releases? Are the press releases incorrect or is Warner reacting to pressure from yourself and other enthusiasts who want HD audio?

The press releases have been incorrect. On the catalog side at least, it's simply a case of the left hand and the right hand maybe not coordinating so well. Warner actually DID react positively to the requests/demands of enthusiasts earlier this year, when they announced their intention to deliver lossless audio on all catalog titles, etc. They are paying attention and they do intended to deliver the best quality they can. I'm still waiting for more on the new release side of things, but mostly this seems to have been the result of misinformation/confusion on press releases and the studio press site.

Bill Hunt · 07-17-2008, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by horseflesh

Welcome back!
OK, the two words on everybody's lips.......Speed Racer.
Have you heard any more about tech specs??
I know you enjoyed it; I did too and my 7 year old son LOVED it (he's started saving his pocketmoney for the BD

)

Still waiting, but I'll update when I know more.

Bill Hunt · 07-17-2008, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TauHeel05

Bill,

I really enjoyed hearing the news you posted today about 'Blow' having Dolby TrueHD. In regards to the future blu-ray release of 'The Dark Knight' could you pass this along to the suits at Warners, "DON'T MUFF IT UP!"

Thanks,
TauHeel05

I think it's safe to say, NOBODY at the studio wants to drop the ball on that one...

kpkelley · 07-17-2008, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Hunt

The press releases have been incorrect. On the catalog side at least, it's simply a case of the left hand and the right hand maybe not coordinating so well. Warner actually DID react positively to the requests/demands of enthusiasts earlier this year, when they announced their intention to deliver lossless audio on all catalog titles, etc. They are paying attention and they do intended to deliver the best quality they can. I'm still waiting for more on the new release side of things, but mostly this seems to have been the result of misinformation/confusion on press releases and the studio press site.

Thanks, I just wanted to make sure that they weren't encoding these for BD-25 and then slapping on another audio track due to consumer pressure.

GarettP · 07-17-2008, 08:50 PM

Thanks Bill for helping all of us with Warner Bros. hopefully they don't screw the pooch with Speed Racer, been looking forward to it on Blu ever since my Son and I saw it at the theatre!

Geoff Gibson · 07-17-2008, 08:56 PM

Bill what are the chances we will see the first three Indiana Jones movies on Blu-ray? Can you handicap it? What about Indy IV -- care to handicap that one?

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05-20-2008, 08:14 AM	#2142
Grubert Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Jan 2006 Blu-ray collection:573 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:2	Guys, if you want to debate TrueHD vs DTS and mix vs codec, this is hardly the place.

05-20-2008, 08:17 AM	#2143
lgans316 Blu-ray Baron Member since:Jul 2007 Location:RM16, United Kingdom Blu-ray reviews:17 Trading Score:498	Sorry to go off-topic. I agree that everything boils down to sound mixing. For example the 24-bit DTS ES track on Face/Off puts some of the lossless audio mixes to shame. I am surprised that Martin Liebman gave only 4/5 just because the mix wasn't lossless.

05-20-2008, 09:06 PM	#2149
Alan Gordon Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Dawson, GA 4K collection:890 Blu-ray collection:2478 DVD collection:437 MA collection:1874 Digital collection:2065 iTunes collection:4103 Prime collection:1896 Trading Score:44	Bill's going to have a LOT of catching up to do... ~Alan

07-17-2008, 08:26 PM	#2151
Bill Hunt The Digital Bits Member since:Jan 2008	Hey Guys, My apologies for being gone so long (what, like TWO months - sheesh). There's no good reason for it, other than the usual: I'm just crazy, silly busy... almost every day. BUT... I'm back, and I'm going to TRY to drop in more often. So feel free to chat and ask away, and I'll respond as best I can.

07-17-2008, 08:29 PM	#2152
kpkelley Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Framingham, MA 4K collection:385 Blu-ray collection:2478 Digital collection:113 Blu-ray reviews: 152	Can you comment on what has been going on with Warner's press releases? Are the press releases incorrect or is Warner reacting to pressure from yourself and other enthusiasts who want HD audio?

07-17-2008, 08:41 PM	#2154
TauHeel05 Power Member Member since:Mar 2007 Location:North Carolina 4K collection:2622 Blu-ray collection:8169 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:23	Bill, I really enjoyed hearing the news you posted today about 'Blow' having Dolby TrueHD. In regards to the future blu-ray release of 'The Dark Knight' could you pass this along to the suits at Warners, "DON'T MUFF IT UP!" Thanks, TauHeel05

07-17-2008, 08:50 PM	#2159
GarettP Senior Member Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Montrose, CO Blu-ray collection:75 Blu-ray reviews:21	Thanks Bill for helping all of us with Warner Bros. hopefully they don't screw the pooch with Speed Racer, been looking forward to it on Blu ever since my Son and I saw it at the theatre!

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Geoff Gibson Member Member since:Feb 2008	Bill what are the chances we will see the first three Indiana Jones movies on Blu-ray? Can you handicap it? What about Indy IV -- care to handicap that one?

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