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Old 10-30-2009, 03:01 AM   #7761
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I never believed he was certain other younger people either. Hopefully he'll go away in the next movie

The DTS Master thing is not a studios move. Just like with Watchmen it's a choice because its data structure integrates better with Maximum Movie mode's branching. Sorry I don't understand the nuances better than that to explain it.

We still haven't gotten anything back on the runtime, but the BBFC has given 2 different numbers, neither of which is 135minutes.
Thanks for the quick answer on the audio Jeff.

Pertaining to the release, is there a specific reason why they didn't use branching for the theatrical/director's and decided to place them on two separate discs if their is such a small difference? (sorry if that's been asked before).
 
Old 10-30-2009, 03:02 AM   #7762
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Jeff are we going to get an Ultimate Edition of Terminator Salvation or any kind of release that has the 30 extra mins sometime? Thanks
 
Old 10-30-2009, 03:13 AM   #7763
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Thanks for the quick answer on the audio Jeff.

Pertaining to the release, is there a specific reason why they didn't use branching for the theatrical/director's and decided to place them on two separate discs if their is such a small difference? (sorry if that's been asked before).
The desire to do Maximum movie mode I would guess. Can't have branching movie and moviemode, because doing so would kill PQ

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Couldn't say. I hope the 135min runtime is still right by some miracle. We'll see. The real key is how well those video sales do, so since Amazon is 50% off right now, if you're on the fence, just buy the thing, you can probably resell it on craigslist for more than you paid anyway if you really don't like it
 
Old 10-30-2009, 03:16 AM   #7764
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The desire to do Maximum movie mode I would guess. Can't have branching movie and moviemode, because doing so would kill PQ



Couldn't say. I hope the 135min runtime is still right by some miracle. We'll see. The real key is how well those video sales do, so since Amazon is 50% off right now, if you're on the fence, just buy the thing, you can probably resell it on craigslist for more than you paid anyway if you really don't like it
Well that makes sense.

I'm holding out a fool's hope for the 135min run time as well
 
Old 10-30-2009, 04:19 AM   #7765
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Jeff do you know if the first 3 Saw movies will get a re-release with better PQ any time soon?Thanks
 
Old 10-30-2009, 04:19 AM   #7766
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I'll see you and up you Riddick 3 and 4

You know I actually pitched to certain people to "re-imagine" Transformers, by putting it back the way it was. It'll be brand new for the kids, and Hasbro will love the fact that they have to buy ALL NEW TOYS!

Oh and Shia and Megan try to have sex in a rocket like Ben and Liv in Armageddon, except it's Megatron's arm gun barrel

Some might say too quick, but it's the in the interest of pacing I swear

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Old 10-30-2009, 01:29 PM   #7767
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Like I mentioned before, I don't see Saw getting any reissues
 
Old 10-30-2009, 05:16 PM   #7768
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Like I mentioned before, I don't see Saw getting any reissues
Especially with part 6 not performing. I could see something happening after 7-3d perhaps, or a series capper boxed set.
 
Old 10-30-2009, 05:20 PM   #7769
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I never believed he was certain other younger people either. Hopefully he'll go away in the next movie
Wow, Yelchin wa the only aspect of Salvation that I actually enjoyed. I could completely see how he might grow from a little baby into Michael Bihen. As for retaining the original ending, I'm pretty sure most people would have seen it as the ultimate betrayal of the story and would have mentally placed it in the same hole they put put The Matrix Reloaded in. And I really like Matrix Reloaded, so you can see where that puts my mindset on this one.
 
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What was the original ending to Terminator Salvation?
 
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[Show spoiler]IIRC, John Conner dies and Marcus takes his skin and ultimately becomes John Connor
 
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[Show spoiler]IIRC, John Conner dies and Marcus takes his skin and ultimately becomes John Connor
I am glad that they did not use that ending I would not want to see that if they keep it.
 
Old 10-30-2009, 06:01 PM   #7773
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[Show spoiler]IIRC, John Conner dies and Marcus takes his skin and ultimately becomes John Connor
Isn't that Heroes?
 
Old 10-30-2009, 06:08 PM   #7774
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Wow, Yelchin wa the only aspect of Salvation that I actually enjoyed. I could completely see how he might grow from a little baby into Michael Bihen. As for retaining the original ending, I'm pretty sure most people would have seen it as the ultimate betrayal of the story and would have mentally placed it in the same hole they put put The Matrix Reloaded in. And I really like Matrix Reloaded, so you can see where that puts my mindset on this one.
It makes a lot of sense though. John Connor spent a lifetime essentially becoming a robot to fight them. There's no betrayal of the original story, simply a new twist to it. Marcus was the leader of men, and the passionate heart that could inspire people through example. John was simply too damaged to make that leap. I'm sure that any sequel will simply give him an epiphany.

Matrix sequels, while they have their thoughts suffered more from the lack of new and shiny, and overreliance on CG puppets instead of real people. The Matrix was a revolution for many people, they'd never seen anything like it because they didn't watch anime or follow contemporary Hong Kong cinema. Once they'd seen Matrix, it was no longer new and shiny, and so they found the sequels more of a letdown than they actually were. (I love Reloaded personally, sans unnecessary nightclub scene)

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Old 10-31-2009, 05:25 PM   #7775
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I thought this thread might be a good place to write a serious post about something Bill Hunt wrote at The Digital Bits. I think a lot of people have many misconceptions about how movie theaters are operated and where they earn their money.

I apologize for the length of this post, but I think these issues are pretty important.

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What they OUGHT to be cracking down on are excessive concession prices, forcing guests to sit though TV commercials passed off as "entertainment" before the movie starts, lousy projection quality, and people talking, cell phones ringing and infants crying during the movie. If they made the movie-going experience fun and affordable again, they might actually get people back.
Unfortunately, commercial movie theaters are stuck in a damned if we do, damned if we don't predicament. Hollywood studios and the short-sighted corporations who own them deserve a great deal of blame for this problem. Let's take it point by point.

1. Excessive Concession Prices.
It costs a lot of money to operate a movie theater. Commercial movie theaters earn very little from the movie ticket.

Movie theaters did much better in past decades when a movie could play in theaters for several months. The theater would be rewarded for holding a movie for a longer term with increasing percentages of the box office take week after week. That business model is all but gone now. Movie studios now want their movies onto home video ASAP to minimize interest payments on all the borrowed money it took to make the movies. They front load the release onto as many as 8000 screens so the movie can play itself out in as little as a month. The result is movie theaters don't get any good percentages of the box office revenue.

The $4 soda and $7 popcorn is paying the light bill, payroll and much of everything else in the movie theater. It's like this everywhere. No theater in this nation could operate off of what it takes in box office revenue. None.

The only way concession prices could be reduced is if Hollywood studios would give theaters a better cut of box office revenue. But that isn't happening. Worse yet, Hollywood studios are constantly trying to weasel their way into taking a piece of the concessions revenue too. And that's regardless of the fact theaters are operating with very slim profit margins. Many have fallen in and out of bankruptcy. Some of this is the fault of exhibitors for over-building too many "megaplex" sites and buying up too many smaller theater chains. Much of it has to do with not enough operating revenue.

2. TV Commercials & Excessive Trailers
I hate TV commercials in movie theaters, but understand why they have to resort to this nonsense. They have to find additional sources of revenue. Advertising is part of that. If the movie studios gave the movie theaters a better cut of box office revenue we wouldn't see so many TV commercials.

3. Poor Projection & Sound Quality
Some of this issue is the fault of movie theaters. However, it costs more money to hire and keep well-trained projectionists and technicians. The vast majority of theaters are stuck having a manager or minimum wage popcorn jockey do the work. Most of the largest theater chains are also run with the same corporate style that has infected Hollywood studios. So reducing staff down to the bare skeletal minimum in order to eek out just a little more profit (but drastically reduce customer service and presentation quality) is a big part of that.

Many thousands of theater screens are being converted to digital projection. D-cinema isn't better than film done right. It is a compromise. Since theaters can't afford to hire well trained film projectionists the system has to be idiot-proofed instead. Unfortunately, this doesn't address the larger problem of bad sound quality in many movie theaters. The sound system needs a lot more frequent attention than the projection system. But it costs more money to re-tune the sound system on a frequent basis, replace blown speaker drivers, etc.

Hollywood studios aren't helping in this regard either. They hire "checkers" to make sure the proper movie trailers are being played in front of the show, but that's it. As far as projection and sound quality of their product is concerned, they really don't care. And let's be real about digital cinema: Hollywood is only helping fund the conversion because it will save them a big fortune in film print manufacturing and shipping costs.

In the past, visiting a movie palace was like visiting a fine restaurant. Today, you have the fine restaurant price, but a fast food quality experience in most theaters.

4. Disturbances from Audience Members
Movie theaters largely have their hands tied on this one. Very few theaters have a zero tolerance policy on issues like cellular phone use. The vast majority of theaters don't have the staffing manpower to keep disruptive audience members in line. Not many have security people on the site to deal with audience members looking to get violent if they're told not to play with their iPhones. Theater operators are scared of losing any customers, so why anger some of those customers and risk them not returning by telling them to put away their cell phone?

Honestly, this problem needs to be blamed on the general public itself. Too many people are just plain freaking stupid when it comes to having any sort of manners out in public. Too many parents think the noise of their screaming baby is like pleasant music and should be enjoyed by everyone. So let's take the irritated baby to the theater! Way too many people behave like ADD-afflicted idiots when it comes to cellphone use and the fashion revolving around it. Here's a news flash: Mobile phones haven't really been a status symbol since the early 1980s. I couldn't care less about someone's new iPhone.

Conclusion
I'm pretty worried about the future of the movie industry. I think commercial movie theaters are seriously endangered because of how they have been so badly marginalized by Hollywood movie distributors and their parent corporations. It won't take much for even the largest movie theater chains to fold. Without commercial movie theaters, the movie industry would shrink to a mere shadow of its former self. If every movie was sold direct to video, movie studios would be scared to put serious amounts of money into any big feature project. The commercial movie theaters are main the venue that separates real movies from the countless numbers of made for cable and TV movies.

I don't think the Hollywood studios understand this at all. So they're just going to keep pushing their luck further and further until their business model crashes. If I ran a movie studio, I would be much more involved with the theatrical aspect and looking after the health of that side of the industry.

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Old 10-31-2009, 07:53 PM   #7776
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Great post. The Hollywood business model is severly broken right now and every studio is having to tighten its belt. Frankly, I'm sick and tired of the "mega-stars" getting upwards of $20 million for a film with a marginal screenplay and limited entertainment value, but "(you name the star)" is in it, so it must be good!

Most of my favorite movies the past 5 years have come from overseas, with much lower budgets, no star power, but greater entertainment value...go figure?
 
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Well Bobby, you know that I'm a huge advocate for the theater experience, and I've said most of what's in your post a lot of times in the past Personally I think in addition to what you and Denon said, that theaters also have to embrace some new models, like installing daycares. Those reading who are parents, if you could dump junior for the cost of a ticket in some kind of playland so you could go see an adult movie (NOT porn), would that bring you to the theater more often?

I think the Alamo drafthouse has a really good idea too, even though I'm a bit loathe to put some of that extra noise in the room. The Bridge here has dinner (decent) and a movie packages in the $40-50 range for 2.

You're already seeing the $20 million a picture thing dying, and a small upfront (sub $5 million and usually lots less) and a piece of the backend replacing it. Remember the Iron Man 2 and Samuel L Jackson fight? Marvel was trying to see how much they could lowball the base pay, and the 2 parties found a middle
 
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As a parent with a young one I love the idea of a daycare or somewhere to drop the kiddy off. I haven't been to the movies in 2 years. By the time I get a chance the movie I want to see is no longer in theaters.
 
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... Those reading who are parents, if you could dump junior for the cost of a ticket in some kind of playland so you could go see an adult movie (NOT porn), would that bring you to the theater more often?
Cost of a ticket? That wouldn't even cover the cost of licensing and liability insurance. There are daycare facilities that operate late in the day and only require another stop on the way. Or trade with friends that also have kids.
 
Old 11-01-2009, 01:40 AM   #7780
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Cost of a ticket? That wouldn't even cover the cost of licensing and liability insurance. There are daycare facilities that operate late in the day and only require another stop on the way. Or trade with friends that also have kids.
Apparently neither of these are quite workable often enough IRL according to many or my reproductive friends. Apparently babysitters are up to like $40 for an evening easy.

If the theater hired a local facility to operate in its walls Friday night and during the weekend it very well may be practical.
 
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