Recommended PS3 Settings for Best Blu-ray Picture?

[Thegide]

Originally Posted by saprano

he should set rgb to full only if he tv has it also.

Anyone care to comment about using RGB on the Sony XBR4 series? I haven't tried gaming with these settings, but it makes my wallpaper look like crap... everything becomes really dark, I'm guessing the black crush described by Icemage is what's going on.

My vote is for RGB limited on this TV.

Edit: I just stumbled upon this over on the "dark side": http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=934751

[saprano]

Thats mean your tv does not support RGB.

[saprano]

Originally Posted by saprano

http://sr-388.net/images/patterns/Brightness.jpg save that link to your ps3, then turn RGB to full. if you can read it your tv supports rgb, if you cant read it then it does not.

do this.

[Go Blue]

Originally Posted by daxeem

I have a 720p. Should I set it to that or 1080i? I heard there 720p settings look bad on some TVs.

Thanks for the help

What about a 768p TV? 1080i or 720p?

[JAGUAR1977]

Originally Posted by Thegide

Anyone care to comment about using RGB on the Sony XBR4 series? I haven't tried gaming with these settings, but it makes my wallpaper look like crap... everything becomes really dark, I'm guessing the black crush described by Icemage is what's going on.

My vote is for RGB limited on this TV.

Edit: I just stumbled upon this over on the "dark side": http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=934751

Many new LCD TV's support both Limited and Full, as standard they are set-up to Limited, my Sharp TV is anyhow.

In your TV's HDMI options you will see an option for RGB Limited/Full, or similar names.

No need to change it, both will provide identical images when set-up correctly.

This only affects games anyhow, you should use Y Pb/b Pr/Cr for Blu-ray playback.

[Go Blue]

I believe that selecting Automatic instead of RGB or Y Pb/b Pr/Cr will give you RGB for games and the XMB screen and Y Pb/b Pr/Cr dor BD/DVD's.

[JAGUAR1977]

Games/XMB always use RGB, regardless, that's what the RGB Limited/Full option is for.

The Y Pb/b Pr/Cr/RGB/Auto option is only for Blu-ray playback.

I force Y Pb/b Pr/Cr for Blu-ray playback, I know it's the correct option, and don't want the PS3 to maybe incorrectly select RGB.

On you TV's HDMI set-up, you can also select Y Pb/b Pr/Cr, which you should use for Blu-ray playback. You can switch it back to RGB for games, it doesn't really matter, the TV will adapt.

I want my TV/PS3 set-up perfectly for Blu-ray playback, when it comes to games most combinations of settings work fine.

[DutchBoy]

This thread has been a great help. Anything that I may have missed PQ wise I'm pretty much clueless about, so this has been great.

I didn't see anything on my TV to change any HDMI settings, but I forced through all of the changes on my PS3, and my HDTV is apparently RGB capable as well (the screen didn't go blank when the PS3 was running its checks on it), so hopefully it will make a nice difference when I'm watching my BDs now.

Thanks, everyone!

[MDJ87]

On that site to check the brightness, how clearly are you suppose to be able to see the numbers? I can see them its just pretty hard.

[saprano]

Originally Posted by JAGUAR1977

Games/XMB always use RGB, regardless, that's what the RGB Limited/Full option is for.

The Y Pb/b Pr/Cr/RGB/Auto option is only for Blu-ray playback.

I force Y Pb/b Pr/Cr for Blu-ray playback, I know it's the correct option, and don't want the PS3 to maybe incorrectly select RGB.

On you TV's HDMI set-up, you can also select Y Pb/b Pr/Cr, which you should use for Blu-ray playback. You can switch it back to RGB for games, it doesn't really matter, the TV will adapt. I want the TV/PS3 set-up perferctly for Blu-ray playback, when it comes to games most combinations of settings work fine.

does my tv surpport Y Pb/b Pr/Cr? what will the change look like if i turn it on? and shouldint RBG be used ONLY if your tv has it? other wise everthing will look to dark.

[saprano]

Originally Posted by MDJ87

On that site to check the brightness, how clearly are you suppose to be able to see the numbers? I can see them its just pretty hard.

yea have to be able to see it clearly, is it dark? EDIT: did you save it to your ps3?

[MDJ87]

Its dark but I can turn the brightness up to see them but then it makes everything else look bad.

[saprano]

Then your tv does not surpport it.

[JAGUAR1977]

didn't see anything on my TV to change any HDMI settings

On you TV's options menu, there should be one for connection, and a set-up screen for each HDMI connection.

For example, on my Sharp TV my HDMI connections are EXT5 and EXT6.

Bold are my selections.

Signal Type RGB, YCbCr 4 4 4, YCbCr 4 2 2
Colour Matric ITU601, ITU709 (ITU709 is the correct selection for HD images)
Dynamic Range Normal, Enhanced (this is RGB Limited/Full)

[DutchBoy]

Originally Posted by JAGUAR1977

On you TV's options menu, there should be one for connection, and a set-up screen for each HDMI connection.

For example, on my Sharp TV my HDMI connections are EXT5 and EXT6.

Bold are my selections.

Signal Type RGB, YCbCr 4 4 4, YCbCr 4 2 2
Colour Matric ITU601, ITU709 (ITU709 is the correct selection for HD images)
Dynaic Range Normal, Enhanced (this is RGB Limited/Full)

Hmmm...yeah, I have a sharp as well (32" 1080p) but I don't see anything like that on mine at all. My HDMIs are 5 and 6 as well.

Odd...

Mine doesn't get as technical as yours do, I suppose. Ah well, I'm going to assume that if I have the setup on my PS3 correct, and my TV is showing what it's supposed to (and looking darn good doing it) then I'm ok.

[JAGUAR1977]

Originally Posted by saprano

does my tv surpport Y Pb/b Pr/Cr? what will the change look like if i turn it on? and shouldint RBG be used ONLY if your tv has it? other wise everthing will look to dark.

I'm not sure what you're saying, all HDTV's support RGB, at least in the UK, for example Sky TV uses RGB.

All PS3 games use RGB, the option is between Limited and Full (for games and XMB ONLY). Full should only be used if you have a PC monitor, or you've changed the set-up option in your TV's HDMI options to Full/Enhanced, to replicate a PC monitor.

Your Blu-ray playback option should be set Y Pb/b Pr/Cr.

[bkbluray]

If you are using an LCD TV, I would suggest using the RGB limited setting - I tried this, and it looks much better than before.

[Thegide]

Just a heads up regarding the Full/Limited discussion from earlier.

I ran some test patterns on my PS3 with the XBR4, and pretty much reached the same conclusions as the guys on AVSforum:

PS3=Limited + TV=Limited.

The XBR4 will support Full, as will the TV, however the argument against using Full is somewhat complex:

- (PS3=Full + TV=Full) looks identical to (PS3=Limited + TV=Limited) and displays correctly. Setting the RGB range to full on the PS3 for most TVs will result in crushing of both blacks and whites (analagous to setting the contrast way too high - I fear many people with RGB on Full are mistaking the increase in contrast for better color)

- Non-blu-ray movies (i.e. DVD) will not use Y Pb/b Pr/Cr, and will output in limited range (16-235). setting the color space to full on both PS3 and TV stretches the range to 0-255 and may therefore introduce banding patterns.

- if PS3 content outputs in full, then banding patterns could be introduced when compressing 0-255 downwards into a 16-235 range, but given that most HDTVs (i.e. older ones) do not support Full RGB, it is suggested that PS3 content is presented in the same 16-235 range. I have yet to see evidence either way on how PS3 content is output.

- given that movie picture quality probably is the more important factor for PS3 owners, it seems safer to set everything to limited.

For people wondering why some TV support FULL in the first place, this is a requirement for using the TV as a monitor connected to a PC.

[saprano]

Originally Posted by Thegide

Just a heads up regarding the Full/Limited discussion from earlier.

I ran some test patterns on my PS3 with the XBR4, and pretty much reached the same conclusions as the guys on AVSforum:

PS3=Limited + TV=Limited.

The XBR4 will support Full, as will the TV, however the argument against using Full is somewhat complex:

- (PS3=Full + TV=Full) looks identical to (PS3=Limited + TV=Limited) and displays correctly. Setting the RGB range to full on the PS3 for most TVs will result in crushing of both blacks and whites (analagous to setting the contrast way too high - I fear many people with RGB on Full are mistaking the increase in contrast for better color)

- Non-blu-ray movies (i.e. DVD) will not use Y Pb/b Pr/Cr, and will output in limited range (16-235). setting the color space to full on both PS3 and TV stretches the range to 0-255 and may therefore introduce banding patterns.

- if PS3 content outputs in full, then banding patterns could be introduced when compressing 0-255 downwards into a 16-235 range, but given that most HDTVs (i.e. older ones) do not support Full RGB, it is suggested that PS3 content is presented in the same 16-235 range. I have yet to see evidence either way on how PS3 content is output.

- given that movie picture quality probably is the more important factor for PS3 owners, it seems safer to set everything to limited.

For people wondering why some TV support FULL in the first place, this is a requirement for using the TV as a monitor connected to a PC.

my tv can be connected to a pc but it doesint support RGB, when i turn it on everything turns to dark, so i dont understand? and i think i also have color banding issue's, but its not only with some movies. i can see in the XMB to, in fact its there when i turn on tv. or is it rolling bars?

Originally Posted by JAGUAR1977

I'm not sure what you're saying, all HDTV's support RGB, at least in the UK, for example Sky TV uses RGB.

All PS3 games use RGB, the option is between Limited and Full (for games and XMB ONLY). Full should only be used if you have a PC monitor, or you've changed the set-up option in your TV's HDMI options to Full/Enhanced, to replicate a PC monitor.

Your Blu-ray playback option should be set Y Pb/b Pr/Cr.

what i mean is does any tv have Y Pb/b Pr/Cr ? what will be the diffence? cause when i turn it on and off during movie playback i dont see a change. and no, all tv's in america does not support RGB.

[Thegide]

Originally Posted by saprano

my tv can be connected to a pc but it doesint support RGB, when i turn it on everything turns to dark, so i dont understand? and i think i also have color banding issue's, but its not only with some movies. i can see in the XMB to, in fact its there when i turn on tv. or is it rolling bars?
what i mean is does any tv have Y Pb/b Pr/Cr ? what will be the diffence? cause when i turn it on and off during movie playback i dont see a change. and no, all tv's in america does not support RGB.

For clarity sake in this thread, I'll point out that when you refer to RGB you are talking about RGB full range, and not RGB limited range. All TVs support RGB, given that it is the default color space used for video information since the dawn of digital video.

In the RGB color space, digital video is typically not full range. See here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RGB_col...representation

Because of this, it follows that on most HDTVs, RGB full range is not supported. Support for this feature seems to be more common on newer TVs, such as my Sony XBR4.

The RGB color space used by computers is generally full range, and is what your video card is probably outputting. It is also what LCD computer monitors are set to display.

Y Pb/b Pr/Cr is a different type of color space that simply encodes RGB information differently. See here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YCbCr & http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YPbPr

From what I understand, Blu-ray movies output in Y Pb/b Pr/Cr color space, and so RGB settings on your PS3 have no effect on the visual output of these video signals. However, I believe non-Blu-ray (i.e. DVD) still uses RGB [limited] as described above for digital video.

Where you say your TV is too dark when you connect it to your PC, you are describing black crush. From my examples, it follows that your PC is outputting in RGB full range (0-255), but your display is only capable of displaying RGB limited (16-235). It's the same phenomenon when people switch to RGB full on their PS3 and their displays don't match.

Because your TV is expecting 16=Black and 235=White, things that should be grey by your PC video output (where 0=Black and 16=some shade of grey) are interpreted as black by your TV. So your picture looks overly dark... and is equally as overly bright on the other end of the spectrum. This incorrect mapping also leads to banding phenomenon across color gradients. No, it is not rolling bars. Examples below.

banding: http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g2...al-A00copy.jpg
no banding: http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g2...ed-A02copy.jpg

The fact that you have banding in the XMB would suggest your PS3 RGB display range is improperly set to full, when your TV does not support it.

In short, different types of video output are encoded differently. Computer video is full range, most TV is limited range, and blu-ray movies are Y Pb/b Pr/Cr. All of these signals can be carried by HDMI cables, so your TV must be able to interpret them properly. TVs can generally distinguish RGB from Y Pb/b Pr/Cr, but the consensus is that many TVs will not automatically detect RGB full from limited, and are by default, expecting limited.

So again, based on this, it would make sense to set your PS3 output and TV to RGB limited, and not full.