Recommended PS3 Settings for Best Blu-ray Picture?

[JAGUAR1977]

Games/XMB always use RGB, regardless, that's what the RGB Limited/Full option is for.

The Y Pb/b Pr/Cr/RGB/Auto option is only for Blu-ray playback.

I force Y Pb/b Pr/Cr for Blu-ray playback, I know it's the correct option, and don't want the PS3 to maybe incorrectly select RGB.

On you TV's HDMI set-up, you can also select Y Pb/b Pr/Cr, which you should use for Blu-ray playback. You can switch it back to RGB for games, it doesn't really matter, the TV will adapt.

I want my TV/PS3 set-up perfectly for Blu-ray playback, when it comes to games most combinations of settings work fine.

[DutchBoy]

This thread has been a great help. Anything that I may have missed PQ wise I'm pretty much clueless about, so this has been great.

I didn't see anything on my TV to change any HDMI settings, but I forced through all of the changes on my PS3, and my HDTV is apparently RGB capable as well (the screen didn't go blank when the PS3 was running its checks on it), so hopefully it will make a nice difference when I'm watching my BDs now.

Thanks, everyone!

[MDJ87]

On that site to check the brightness, how clearly are you suppose to be able to see the numbers? I can see them its just pretty hard.

[saprano]

Originally Posted by MDJ87

On that site to check the brightness, how clearly are you suppose to be able to see the numbers? I can see them its just pretty hard.

yea have to be able to see it clearly, is it dark? EDIT: did you save it to your ps3?

[MDJ87]

Its dark but I can turn the brightness up to see them but then it makes everything else look bad.

[saprano]

Then your tv does not surpport it.

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by MDJ87

On that site to check the brightness, how clearly are you suppose to be able to see the numbers? I can see them its just pretty hard.

That pattern has a background of RGB level 0 (0% in Computer levels). Then the numbers 1, 2, 3, 4 correspond roughly to 1%, 2%, 3%, 4%, of level 255 (which is 100% white in Computer RGB levels), and the numbers 1, 2, 3, and 4 there are at Computer RGB levels 3, 5, 8, and 10 respectively.

This pattern has the opposite end of the scale: The whites:

http://sr-388.net/images/patterns/Contrast.jpg

This one has a background RGB level of 255 (100% in Computer levels). Then the numbers 99, 98, 97, 96 corresponding to 99%, 98%, 97%, 96%, of level 255 (which as I said above is 100% white in Computer RGB levels), and the numbers 99, 98, 97, and 96 there are at Computer RGB levels 252, 250, 247, and 245 respectively.

If you load these 0,1,2,3,4 - 96,97,98,99,100% / levels 0,3,5,8,10 - 245,247,250,252,255 jpgs to your PS3 via a usb stick they are still in Computer levels and if you have your PS3 RGB output set to Full, these jpegs will remain at Computer levels.
If you set your PS3 to Limited their 0-255 values will be remapped to 16-235 at the output and the numbers will become Video level percents.

On Video RGB levels, black (0%) is level 16 and white (100%) is level 235, so all those numbers in those two jpgs would end below video black and above white if they were not converted to Video levels when the PS3 RGB output setting was set to Limited.


With Blu-rays videos, on the other hand, if you have set the PS3 RGB to Limited, Blu-ray Video level 16 remains RGB level 16 and Blu-ray level 235 remains level 235. So if your TV expects video RGB levels, you should set the PS3 to Limited and calibrate level 16 to be black on the monitor and calibrate level 235 to be white on the monitor. On the other hand, if you set the PS3 to Full it remaps the Blu-ray's video levels (expands the contrast) from Video levels to Computer levels: Video level 16 becomes level 0 and video level 235 becomes level 255. If your display expects computer RGB levels, for example a computer monitor, you should set the PS3 to Full and calibrate the "new" Blu-ray level 0 to be black on the monitor and calibrate the "new" Blu-ray level 255 to be white on the monitor.


In summary: When the PS3 is set to Full, the jpegs numbers show computer level % and go from 0-255 and Blu-ray video is expanded from 16-235 to 0-255, so that setting should be used with displays that expect full 0-255 computer levels

When the PS3 is set to Limited, the jpegs numbers show video level % as their range is compressed from 0-255 computer levels to 16-235 video levels. Blu-ray video 16-235 levels are mantained, so this setting should be used with displays that expect video levels. On the brigthness jpg, Computer RGB levels 3,5,8,10 then become Video RGB levels 18,20,23,25 for example.

A PLUGE with "above black" and "below black" stripes on a video color bar would be above and below the Video level 16 (0%) black (Computer level 0 in Full). If it's a -/+ 4% PLUGE, the "3 stripes" (below/black/above) would be at Video RGB levels 7/16/25. When remapped to Computer RGB levels they would be at "new" RGB levels 0/0/10.

On that Brigthness.jpg, "4" corresponds to this 4% PLUGE


On a image of 2.2 gamma slope, theoretically a 4% PLUGE (video level 25 or computer level 10) should be 1200 times darker than a 100% white (video level 235/computer level 255) but that's dificult to achieve with most displays.

[saprano]

so what are you saying about the RGB test i gave? thats its wrong? i skiped through your post so i couldint really tell. EDIT: oh, you were not saying it was wrong you just explaining RGB

[saprano]

As for Y Pb/b Pr/Cr , the difference i saw when turining it on and off was that it made black's blacker. and in dark scean's i could see the detail, for example i paused a scean in the movie sunshine where they show the end of the ship. with it off its just a black shadow, you cant see anything. the bottom half of the ship it compleatly black, but with Y Pb/b Pr/Cr on i can actually see the details at the end of the ship. i can see the engine's,and and all the parts at the end of that spacstation. before i thought thats the way the scean was,with that half just dark. turnes out its not. so is this what Y Pb/b Pr/Cr is for? to show deatail thats otherwise covered up in shadow?

[mainman]

Deciazulado's post confused the hell out of me.

About that brightness picture, I must see all four numbers right, including number 1? If I can see all four numbers, I have calibrated my tv setting correctly?

When I choose FGB full, and open the Brightness picture, whatever I change in the settings of my tv, I always get a black picture. If I mess with the brightness, colour, contrast etc, nothing, all black. So, my tv doesnt properly accept RGB full?

[JAGUAR1977]

didn't see anything on my TV to change any HDMI settings

On you TV's options menu, there should be one for connection, and a set-up screen for each HDMI connection.

For example, on my Sharp TV my HDMI connections are EXT5 and EXT6.

Bold are my selections.

Signal Type RGB, YCbCr 4 4 4, YCbCr 4 2 2
Colour Matric ITU601, ITU709 (ITU709 is the correct selection for HD images)
Dynamic Range Normal, Enhanced (this is RGB Limited/Full)

[DutchBoy]

Originally Posted by JAGUAR1977

On you TV's options menu, there should be one for connection, and a set-up screen for each HDMI connection.

For example, on my Sharp TV my HDMI connections are EXT5 and EXT6.

Bold are my selections.

Signal Type RGB, YCbCr 4 4 4, YCbCr 4 2 2
Colour Matric ITU601, ITU709 (ITU709 is the correct selection for HD images)
Dynaic Range Normal, Enhanced (this is RGB Limited/Full)

Hmmm...yeah, I have a sharp as well (32" 1080p) but I don't see anything like that on mine at all. My HDMIs are 5 and 6 as well.

Odd...

Mine doesn't get as technical as yours do, I suppose. Ah well, I'm going to assume that if I have the setup on my PS3 correct, and my TV is showing what it's supposed to (and looking darn good doing it) then I'm ok.

[saprano]

Originally Posted by JAGUAR1977

Games/XMB always use RGB, regardless, that's what the RGB Limited/Full option is for.

The Y Pb/b Pr/Cr/RGB/Auto option is only for Blu-ray playback.

I force Y Pb/b Pr/Cr for Blu-ray playback, I know it's the correct option, and don't want the PS3 to maybe incorrectly select RGB.

On you TV's HDMI set-up, you can also select Y Pb/b Pr/Cr, which you should use for Blu-ray playback. You can switch it back to RGB for games, it doesn't really matter, the TV will adapt. I want the TV/PS3 set-up perferctly for Blu-ray playback, when it comes to games most combinations of settings work fine.

does my tv surpport Y Pb/b Pr/Cr? what will the change look like if i turn it on? and shouldint RBG be used ONLY if your tv has it? other wise everthing will look to dark.

[JAGUAR1977]

Originally Posted by saprano

does my tv surpport Y Pb/b Pr/Cr? what will the change look like if i turn it on? and shouldint RBG be used ONLY if your tv has it? other wise everthing will look to dark.

I'm not sure what you're saying, all HDTV's support RGB, at least in the UK, for example Sky TV uses RGB.

All PS3 games use RGB, the option is between Limited and Full (for games and XMB ONLY). Full should only be used if you have a PC monitor, or you've changed the set-up option in your TV's HDMI options to Full/Enhanced, to replicate a PC monitor.

Your Blu-ray playback option should be set Y Pb/b Pr/Cr.